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I generally agree with you, other than I'm not ok with officers killing people because they were empowered with broad and poorly-defined escalation to lethal force with no accountability.

I have a sibling that's an Orange County Sheriff. She went through their academy which is generally regarded as one of the toughest and most demanding police academies here in the US. While she carries a firearm for a reason, there are strict rules that govern use of force. These riots started in LA, but it was only a matter of time before they spread outward, and now rioters are clashing with police in Santa Ana (outside of LA county), so I've been thinking a lot about her and the role she and her coworkers now play in this whole mess... not to mention all the nonsense that got us here (illegal alien problem festering for so long, Biden's failure to address it and then GOP stonewalling his bill, Trump's heavy-handed and sometimes unlawful moves this term, and now rioters losing their mind over (from what I've read) ICE's aggressive moves to arrest/detain people that are here illegally in SoCal).

This is probably getting off track, but when I attended the ceremony when she graduated from the academy, the speaker talked at length about The Warrior Mindset vs The Guardian Mindset, and what that means for officers in their day-to-day. I'd never heard of that debate before and found it really thought-provoking... especially considering how police generally pull recruits pretty heavily from former military and how many police academies are run similar to military bootcamps.

Yup white legal immigrants that came from Europe and Russia.

California needs migrants… y’all in the the east and south are going to starve to death. And California can do it to ya. Have a nice day Goper’s.

I’m betting trump won’t be making a visit to cali anytime soon. Too skeered he is.

It's amazing how reputable CNN and other left leaning media outlets become when it suits.

Maybe that's because places like CNN aren't as one sided and "fake" as people claim when the truth in most cases doesn't suit them. They prefer unfair and unbalanced.

So yet another lie posted on social media. Just like the posts you now share on a regular basis.

He also doesn't seem to realize that no matter how much water you make available, it all has to be treated before being entered into the public water supply and treatment plants can only treat so much water so fast. He seems not to comprehend that releasing more raw water does nothing to speed up the treatment process. And he calls such facts excuses.

Keep living in your dreamworld. Hispanic legal residents oppose illegal immigration as well . The only Americans ok with what went on the past four years and who don’t want to get the illegals out are you looney lefties.

If Illegals leave and stop coming... the country could afford to pay our teachers, firefighters, police, military and other under paid service workers more, shelter the homeless and have a surplus.

Right now, illegals cost American citizen taxpayers around 116 Billion.

If rich people and companies paid taxes at the same rate as the working class, we could do that without being fascist dicks. If some sort of financial penalty forced wealth hoarders to keep money in circulation they wouldn’t be sitting with all the cookies smacking your hand away right now. A larger share of GDP monetization needs to be in the hands of the American 99%. Those two simple things fix the economy issues as far as the country going broke. A penalty tax for screwing people and paying lower and lower wages in proportion to costs of living would solve the rest. Sure they can move, but they can’t move their non-liquid assets quite so fast, the right wing media just wants you to fear that.

We got a lot of problems in this country, but hard working decent immigrants, legal or not, are not one of them.

Decent Americans who would have never believed this crap 20 years ago, now somehow think it’s a secret ‘deep state’ keeping them down. NOPE. It’s not immigrants, bureaucracy, left wing extremist, or any other damn conspiracy theory culprit. It’s the control money has on our politics and the fact that every action the government takes has to be part of the elites agenda. They bastardized our news, our economy, our tax code, our education system, and our entire supply chain supplying what’s needed to live and weaponized it against us. You wonder why there’s now two generations that can’t make change in their head? They taught them TO NOT THINK TO HARD. And then the billionaire rightwing supporting MAGA and Trump served them lies in the form of official news for 20 plus years. It’s no damn wonder we live in different worlds…

And the entire time their was one group who always came out on top no matter who was in office. Both parties propped up Rich Elite Agendas, always taking more and more from the working class. We were ALL being duped.

Decent immigrants do not come into another country illegally. That is the rub here. As far as the rich go. They pay more in taxes in 1 year than you will your entire life. The problem is not how much or how little taxes they pay it is how can we all pay less taxes and the government can cut their spending. There are plenty of government programs that can be cut and need to be cut.

Like what? DOGE couldn't really find anything...

Last I saw, this admin has increased spending and will continue to do so, while also decreasing revenue.

I don't care what the ideal is, one way or the other, everything should be on the table. When someone is in horrific debt, the solutions are both increasing revenue and decreasing spending, period.

I believe decreasing taxes increases taxes coming in. Lower the tax burden and more people get hired, more money gets spent, etc... The problem comes with the left when government spending is decreased and programs get cut. Many need cut and I understand some people relay on those programs. But they need to start relaying on themselves.

Millions full time workers make so little they depend on government programs. Many children are covered by government programs depend on government programs. Many senior citizens on Social security depend on government programs. You really need to cut back on the Kool-Aid.

His wife must run the household budget. The answer to heavy debt isn't less income.

There are many programs that able bodied people partake, and it should come to an end. You can throw out your cry me a river stories but taking from one to give to another is wrong. Always has been and always will be.

Matt. 25:31-46

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Jesus disagrees. You and your party have turned your back on every value you claimed to hold dear for a grifter.

Jesus Loves You.
Three words you never want to hear in a Mexican prison.

There's a joke thread for that kind of nonsense. But I would expect no less considering the source.

This probably isn't the proper thread to be discussing this but since that door has been opened, if you would actually like to have a discussion on the topic let's do so.


I don't think we are communicating well. You see I agree that those who do not qualify for these programs shouldn't be getting benefits. But allowing those who qualify and need these benefits is essential. It seems you even have a problem with that though I may be reading you wrong.

Now I know you think everyone should take care of themselves. But let me ask you, if you're going to force poor women to give birth why would you punish the children you forced be brought into the world? You knew they were incapable of taking care of themselves when you forced them to give birth.

Here's the problem. The GOP just makes up a number, makes those cuts to the budget then has to invent and find ways to cut those programs that aren't even simply cutting those that do not qualify. There is no way to know just how much of those programs money is actually waste and fraud.

I'll give you an example. Musk claimed he would find and eliminate two trillion dollars in waste and fraud. Then he backed off and lowered that to one trillion. In the end he found what is claimed to be 150 billion and only a little over half of that can be confirmed. What resulted was him trying to invent waste and fraud to achieve a number. Several times they cut jobs that were essential and workers had to be hired back. That wasn't waste and fraud. Trump invented a claim about one hundred million dollars going to condoms in Gaza. It was a crap show.

But that's how it goes when you just invent a number and then desperately try to reach that number when in actuality you have no idea what that number is.

The same applies here. Cutting over six hundred billion from medicaid. Cutting around three hundred billion in SNAP (food stamps). Based on what?

They sent some billionaire and a bunch of kids in when it cam to DOGE. None of them with a background in forensic accounting. None of them experienced in this field.

So I'm all for hiring forensic accountants to go though programs like SNAP and Medicaid. Those who do not meet the qualifications should not be getting benefits. Then we could find an actual number. We cut the waste and fraud that actually exists.

What I'm not for is something similar to the crap show we saw with DOGE. Unqualified people going around making decisions based simply on trying to reach some arbitrary number they just made up and hurting people they shouldn't be hurting.

There is a right way and a wrong way to go about doing things. We already saw the wrong way and repeating that makes no sense.

They have no idea how much waste and fraud exist in SNAP or Medicaid. Go out and find it and then adjust the budget accordingly.

I'm fine with decreasing taxes for small businesses to help them grow and to promote competition. The issue with what you're describing though is that trickle down has repeatedly failed, over and over again. When large, especially public, businesses decrease costs, time has shown over and over again that they invest in things like share buybacks. If you look at the metrics for just about every public C suite executive bonus, shareholder value and/or share buybacks are explicitly listed as a bonus category. One of the other things I struggle to make sense of (not something that you said) is how we can make the argument that we need to decrease corporate taxes so that the benefits can flow down to the employees, yet we also argue against paying higher wages to the employees.

The issue with your last sentence - and I agree with your premise somewhat - is that it's not the Left. It's both parties. Look at Josh Hawley for example. Just co-sponsored a bill to make $15 the minimum wage. He's also a huge advocate for medicare and medicaid. Honestly, he's a huge Trump advocate, but fiscally, he's one of the more liberal people in Congress. He's not the only one.

Also, look at POTUS' mandate. Make cuts, but not to Social Security or Medicare. The goal for DOGE to make those cuts was $2T and that objectively failed. There's no arguing that, really. The huge issue with it is making those cuts without touching the categories you mentioned is like telling someone to reduce their cholesterol, but to keep eating tons of bacon.

Trickle down rhetoric that has NEVER WORKED. Just like Tax cuts didn't work under Trump last time. All big corporations did was stock buy backs. I can't believe people are still falling for this crap.

Just to be clear, I was one of those that fell for it under Reagan. It didn't work then either.

Yes, it did work. Quite well actually. Before Reagan American citizens had to get gas on certain days according to their last names. What does not work is socialism of any kind. See Jimmy Carter and his 2nd term thru Joe Biden. That is what does not work!

Trickle down economics is the biggest con game in American history. It's been proven over and over and over again. Yet still here you are.

It's the anti Robin Hood theory.

No it didn’t work. American citizens were paying 15-18% interest on mortgages. And Gas price gouging from big oil caused a shortage because US oil companies weren’t drilling..

You know how it works.... "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

It NEVER worked... Never has, never will

Oooops! Looks like trump has decided there are "special illegals" he doesn't want deported now. Maybe he's started to figure out something you haven't.................

ICE directed to pause immigration arrests at farms, hotels and restaurants, sources tell CBS News

The Trump administration has directed Immigration and Customs Enforcement to halt arrests at farms, restaurants and hotels amid concerns that the president's crackdown on illegal immigration is hurting key industries, two sources familiar with the abrupt policy change told CBS News.

The pause on worksite immigration enforcement operations applies to the agricultural, hospitality and restaurant industries, which rely in large part on labor from immigrants, many of whom are in the U.S. unlawfully, the sources said, requesting anonymity to discuss internal actions.

The scaling back of some ICE operations reflects increased concern among industry leaders that the Trump administration's aggressive and government-wide immigration crackdown was hindering their businesses and the broader U.S. economy by spooking their workforce.

It also marks a significant pivot for the Trump administration, which has vowed to deport millions of immigrants living in the country without legal status, regardless of whether they have criminal histories. And it comes amid a vast expansion in immigration arrests across the U.S. that has triggered protests against ICE activity in major American cities, including Los Angeles, where Mr. Trump has deployed the National Guardsmen and U.S. Marines in response to instances of violence.

Asked about the catalyst for the sudden decision to limit ICE enforcement, one of the sources said the president was not aware of the scale of the agency's operations.

"When it hit him, he pulled it back," the source said.

Asked about the move, Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin said, "We will follow the President's direction and continue to work to get the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens off of America's streets."

The New York Times first reported the move.

Mr. Trump came into office in January promising to launch the largest deportation effort in U.S. history. His administration quickly reversed limits on ICE operations put in place by previous administrations and moved to revoke the legal status of hundreds of thousands of migrants, greatly expanding the pool of those at risk of being arrested and deported.

In recent weeks, ICE arrests have increased sharply, with the agency adopting more aggressive tactics, including efforts to arrest migrants and asylum-seekers attending their court hearings and check-in appointments.

So far in June, ICE has averaged more than 1,300 arrests each day, a more than 100% increase from President Trump's first 100 days in office, when the agency recorded a 660 daily arrest rate, according to internal government data obtained by CBS News. On Saturday, ICE was holding more than 56,000 individuals in detention facilities throughout the country, a record high, the figures show.

While ICE operations have expanded recently, the arrests recorded by the agency remain well below the 3,000 daily arrest rate pushed by White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-di...arrests-at-farms-hotels-and-restaurants/

Creative memories...

History of gas shortages

That just about blows Day of the Dawg right out of the water.

He forgot who was President during the Oil Embargo of the 70's.. It was Nixon and Ford. He seems to have forgotten about Bush 1 and Bush 2 in that period of time he refers to. I'm pretty sure he has no idea how Trickle down was supposed to work..... But nothing trickled down to me.

You have to actually work for something. Holding your hands out just waiting on handouts is not how trickle-down works.

Daman ran his own business for quite a while and did quite well for himself.

What makes you think I didn't work for a living? I'm retired now of course, but damn man, I operated many successful businesses for others then started my own for the last 20 years of my working life. So when you decide to take your head out of your arse, you may come to realize you somehow someway decided that if someone disagrees with you, they are just worthless human beings.

You seem to be living in a moronic state of mind. Not sure how you got there. But for some reason you believe everything Trump and his minions tell you. Remember something, this is the man that told you that they are "Eating the Dogs, They are eating the Cats"! He's lied to you damn near every frickin day for the last 10 years. And you bought it. The problem is yours... NOT MINE

You don't think the way he thinks. So you must be some "lefty, commie who does nothing but look for handouts".

That's how some of their brains function. Or do not function as the case may be.

Millions upon millions of Americans who have worked hard all of their life vote blue. Millions upon millions of them currently working hard vote blue.

But in Trumplandia having a little empathy for those who are the working class poor, the elderly and single mothers is a sign of weakness and means you must be one of those looking for a handout. This is who they have become.