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Your post and DL's post right above yours paint a pretty accurate picture of the DNC right now.

Kamala lost simply because whatever position she took in politics
She got that position based on her ability to seperate her legs
And her inability to relate to the working class.
In all her years of Bay Area politics, she accomplished nothing
And then when she became VP, she did less.
She changed her accent according to the crowd she was pandering
Too. She had no answer when faced with questions regarding how she would make America better .
All she did was bash Trump.

That's the first lie you told. I won't bother with the rest of them.

Oh, memories.....

Now you need a time capsule.

Love the addition of "Well,..."

What a clown show.

The clown show is people who keep reporting the lie that this bill will "cut the deficit". This same thing has been said to promote huge tax cuts before and has proven to have always been a lie. But you're just here to troll anyway.

Oh, memories.....

I wouldn't say it's "Complicit Dems" but Dems nonetheless...Cuomo just lost out to Mamdani in the NYC primary. He had a LOT of money and a LOT of organizational backing.

Probably too premature to read the tea leaves now, but I think it's another example of the current Dem establishment being out of touch with their constituents. It could segue into the Dems' own version of 2016 happening, or it could fall flat on its face. Too early to tell that much.

AOC has been rising in influence, though. I think the more than the middle class loses buying power, the more of this stuff we'll see, at least on a regional level.

https://apnews.com/article/andrew-c...k-mayor-0d39764944e7e55a7e26a988d4136a86

I agree with you, but I'll say that I always struggle to understand the larger implications of NY and NYC elections.


To your point, Mamdani ran on a platform that spoke to normal people and what they deal with day-to-day. Not sure why DNC folks continue to have such a hard time with that.

Yeah, like I said, too early to read broadly into this. It does line up with my speculation, though, that I think the establishment on the left is due for a rude awakening.

For me it was an initial litmus test. I watched one man with power, name recognition and the money get elected president regardless of what he was. No amount of sickening behavior managed to prevent that. The fact he and his morals were no better than pond scum, he still won in a landslide the primary of his party.

I wanted to see if this turned out the same way. I'm very thankful it didn't.

More like overdue. How either (much less both) Trump elections weren't said wakeup call is bonkers.

All speculation on my part, but you have a lot of older people who don’t want to give up their influence and the influence of their donors. They figure “If I’m okay, then that’s all I care about.”

The canopy needs clearing and the new growth has to be given room to take over, but people never want to concede their own power.

Maybe because they can't field a candidate who can beat out a communist radical?

Maybe because since the GOP has gone off the deep end the fact that every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction holds true.

Why is it every time a politician supports doing something positive for all of their people you attach what you see as a negative label to them?

One thing you've made apparent to everyone is you have no idea of the difference between a socialist and a communist.

I think you were born in the wrong time period. You would have loved the days of Joe McCarthy. He would have been your hero! And even after all of the things he did, you have still learned nothing. He used to label everyone a communist too.

So you found a right wing Nostradumbass?

I awoke this morning gravely concerned about New York City. I thought “What has NYC become that an avowed socialist who has supported defunding the police, whose solution to lowering food prices is city-owned supermarkets, who doesn’t understand that freezing rents will only reduce the supply of housing, who has no experience managing an organization -- let alone a city with a $100+ billion budget and a $2 trillion economy -- and who believes chants for ‘Globalizing the Intifada’ are acceptable, wins the Democratic Primary.

After speaking to those who supported
@ZohranKMamdani
, I believe that he won the primary largely not due to his policies, but rather because he is a superb politician who ran a remarkable and inspiring campaign. He is intelligent and articulate. He is young and charming, and he successfully played down incriminating
@X
posts and statements from his past, pitching a joyful campaign of unity.

And he won because the competition was very weak. His best competitor sat back and did not run a real campaign, relying on name recognition, early favorable polling and keeping a low profile to make it through. Not a strategy that I have ever seen work, but so be it.

The Democratic primary voter is clearly tired of the Democratic politics of the past and its aging and over-the-hill leadership – Who isn’t? [As a case in point, how embarrassing is it to watch aging Dems fall in line with their tweets of support for Mamdani, as they desperately try to defend their seats from the far left?] And therefore, without any real competition, Zohran and his attractive personal qualities and campaign skills magically make him the candidate of the future.

The problem, however, is that his policies would be disastrous for NYC. Socialism has no place in the economic capital of our country. The ability for NYC to offer services for the poor and needy, let alone the average New Yorker, is entirely dependent on NYC being a business-friendly environment and a place where wealthy residents are willing to spend 183 days and assume the associated tax burden. Unfortunately, both have already started making arrangements for the exits.

Mamdani is right that much about NYC is broken. The City has gotten much less safe while the cost of living here has become increasingly unattainable for many. We pay more for less. Unfortunately, his headline campaign promises of frozen rents and cheaper food from city-owned markets, among others, are certain to fail.

A mayor who disrespects the NYPD and has called for their defunding will get less effective policing, and Bratton’s ‘broken window theory’ will operate in reverse. A mayor who condones hate speech will incentivize more hate speech and violence. Words matter, and yes, they can inspire people to kill as we have recently tragically seen in our country and around the world.

New York City under Mamdani is about to become much more dangerous and economically unviable. Unlike our Federal government, NYC cannot print money, and this Federal Government won’t bail NYC out if things go bad. In fact, Mamdani would be a windfall for the Republican Party as NY becomes another failed major city run by Democrats alongside Seattle, Chicago, LA, and SF et al as Senator Fetterman so eloquently stated today, "I'd describe it as Christmas in July for the GOP."

So why did I become optimistic later this morning? The answer is that NYC has woken up in the last 24 hours. The substantial majority of NYC residents understand that socialism is a failed system, that rent freezes will destroy our housing base and shrink the affordable housing supply while killing new construction, and that an anti-capitalist Mayor will destroy jobs and cause businesses and wealthy taxpayers that have enabled NYC to balance the budget to move elsewhere. If 100 or so of the highest taxpayers in my industry chose to spend 183 days elsewhere, it could reduce NY state and city tax revenues by ~$5-10 billion or more, and that’s just my industry. Think Ken Griffin leaving Chicago for Miami on steroids.

The good news is that there are other charismatic, intelligent, articulate, handsome, charming, young yet more experienced and, importantly, more centrist politicians who are New York residents eligible for office. There are also extremely talented members of the NY business community who could be superb mayors, Bloomberg being the reference standard from the past.

And the setup is extremely attractive for a run for mayor. There are only 132 days until the election, which means the commitment of time to run is de minimis. This will be the most closely watched mayoral election in NYC in decades, perhaps ever, which, particularly in the social media and podcast era creates the opportunity for a new candidate to garner immediate name recognition, enormous media interest, and the visibility needed to get elected.

Importantly, there are hundreds of million of dollars of capital available to back a competitor to Mamdani that can be put together overnight (believe me, I am in the text strings and the WhatsApp groups) so that a great alternative candidate won’t spend any time raising funds.

So, if the right candidate would raise his or her hand tomorrow, the funds will pour in. I am sure that Mike Bloomberg will share his how-to-win-the-mayoralty IP and deliver his entire election apparatus and system to the aspiring candidate so that the candidate can focus all of his or her energy on the campaign.

One unfortunate fact, as far as I understand, is that the candidate will have to be a write-in as I believe that none of the current candidates established a nominating committee if they were to withdraw, which means that no one can take their spot on the ballot. This is such an important election, however, that I believe the write-in requirement could actually turn into an important call to action that brings people in throngs to the polls. It therefore won’t be the game stopper it would normally be in a typical election.

As a result, the risk/reward of running for mayor over the next 132 days is extremely compelling as the cost in time and energy is small, and the upside is enormous. If the candidate does not win, there is no harm, no foul, because the perceived probability of beating the Democratic nominee in a NYC mayoral election is extremely small. Therefore, there is no reputational risk to losing this election, and the corresponding reputational benefits are extraordinary whether one wins or loses.

If the candidate wins, this is obviously a huge home run for the City and the candidate, but it is also an opportunity to save the Democratic Party from itself, grabbing the wheel just before the party goes even further off the cliff. The new mayor would be a national superhero for the City, for the Party, and for the country.

For the aspiring politician, there is no better way to get name recognition, build relationships with long-term donors, and to showcase oneself than to run for mayor over the next 132 days. This election is already global front page news. For the aspiring young candidate, the amount of publicity and the massive followers to be gained are of incalculable long-term value whether they win or lose, and whatever they choose to do in the future, business, politics or otherwise.

And there is a defensive reason for a politician to run. For the more centrist Democrat politician, a Mamdani win is very bad for your next election. As the Party veers further to the left, the Party’s backing for your future candidacy deteriorates substantially as Mamdani and AOC take control of the Party.

In my experience, opportunities with minimal downside that don’t require huge investments of time while offering massive upside get filled. If you were ever thinking about running for office, or running for a higher office than you currently hold, this is likely the best opportunity that you are going to have.

All of the above is not just theory, as I have a superb candidate who I believe can win who meets all of the criteria, but if I were to say his name or even reach out to him, it would have a negative effect on his candidacy, as I am a supporter of President Trump, and that alone taints anyone I would recommend for many and perhaps most NYC Democratic Party members. So rather than my making suggestions, I welcome yours.

Who is your best centrist candidate who could go toe-to-toe with Mamdani on the campaign trail and on the debate stage? Let’s crowdsource the names and then do a poll.

If someone is ready to raise their hand, I will take care of the fundraising.

This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the right candidate. More importantly, it is an opportunity to save our City and be a superhero. Life is short and you must dare to be great.

The time is now.

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1938094628034506984

On no! The Boogeyman is out to get you!

Like you give a damn about New York City.

I had no idea you had such an appetite for Spam.

I know you didn't write this, but I'm going to respond like you did.

We see this work CONSTANTLY. That is really the crux of this whole convo. DNC establishment is beyond complacent for this very reason.

Maybe you need to quit kidding yourself.

Government run grocery stores? Another Dem run city going from greatness to the brink of collapse.

I'm old enough to remember Company Stores.. By the way, all you do is rattle off the Company line on Communists and Socialists. You clearly don't understand either.

We currently have a president who thinks he can rewrite laws with executive orders. He has taken our bases and renamed them after confederates again. Trying to cut hundreds of billions of dollars from both medicaid and SNAP. Erased black history from our military. Don't kid yourself. You have swung the pendulum so far in one direction you need to look in the mirror at who opened the flood gates for this. You have nobody to blame other than people such as yourself.

It's odd how you and people like yourself have been saying all of the major cities in our nation have already gone to hell for many years now. Now you claim it's great and this one man will make it go to hell? I think you need to pick a story and stick to it.

yeah no kidding.

It’s all about how the government is only corrupt when the democrats are in charge. When the same players are always there in the background. All of a sudden the fed is great. lol simple minds.

Come on Pit. Do you really believe that Trump is that smart. He gets all the hate but really, that damn fool is just a puppet. You wanna swing for the fences and fix what is wrong with America under Trump? You gotta go after the puppet masters.

The Federalist Society would be my first in line. I'd go after all those that wrote Project 2025. That's a playbook for what is happening today. Also, the Supreme Court.... there are 6 of them that don't seem to understand the constitution. That One of them took so many bribes is sick. Presidential Immunity my ass. Let's not forget Congress. First and foremost, Mike Johnson. That is one Sleazy dude.

And this idiotic screaming about grocery stores. There are areas in cities, including New York City, where food deserts exist. People who have no viable means of transportation do not have grocery stores in their neighborhoods. Fresh fruits and vegetables are virtually impossible for them to get. And businesses do not see these neighborhoods as good investments so they don't build and operate large grocery stores there. In cities like New York just the cost of property in that city makes it difficult for businesses to invest in such stores unless it is a neighborhood that spends a ton of money on higher cost foods.

So guess what those "communists" want to do? They want to have stores in those areas where fresh produce and quality food is accessible in such neighborhoods. Oh the horror! They want to do something to help the poor! If they try to do that we'll call them communists!

What the hell is wrong with people who think that's such a terrible idea? I'll tell you what's wrong with them. They have that access so to hell with everyone else. That's what's wrong with them. They think "the others" should be denied something they take for granted and that poor children living in food deserts shouldn't have access to fruits and vegetables.

Now watch one of them come on here and suggest a mother should take a bus across town and pack a weeks worth of groceries for a family of five across town on a bus instead. Murica!

I talked about food deserts a few years ago-specifically the bus ride scenario. It was in a wide-ranging thread about urban planning, red lining, interstate roads cutting off communities, etc.

Food deserts have been a problem for generations previously because of the reasons you outlined. Now I'm going to say something that will set some Dawgs to howlin', but I don't care:

"Gov't exists to do those things that business can't- or won't. "
This is a prime example.

It should also be noted that the stores are part of a pilot program: one store per borough. Minimal investment to try something new; close them down if the experiment fails.

I'm not opposed to new ideas, especially ones that address perennial problems.

I remember that discussion and how a solution has needed to be found for decades now. Of course any time someone tries to find a solution to help those who need it most, it's labeled as evil by those that have no idea what that's like and rail against anything that helps people who need it most. Same as it ever was.

Many of those very same people claim Americans should have a better diet and eat healthier. I guess they think that only applies to certain Americans having the choice or ability to do that.

j/c:

OUCH!



Not sure what this means yet....(1) Do they want them replaced because of they've gone too far left or (2) They want them replaced because they want more far left representation?

(3) They want a candidate to who actually makes the constituents feel like they're being heard and who is not just in it for himself.

I think it's getting to the point where people can set policy differences aside for a candidate who doesn't seem completely self-centered and out of touch with his/her own constituents. Even the likes of MTG and Tucker Carlson commended Mamdani for that.

"They want to take out their party leaders" is exactly why Republicans elected trump the first time. They saw him as an outsider and not being a career politician or a party insider.

In the 2016 primaries he ran against a myriad of Republican party leaders that their voters flatly rejected. This is really no different than that. I also believe your summation it quite on cue.

This is going to sound more jerky than intended... but for someone that has continually posted content about how out-of-touch the establishment Dems are, I'm surprised you can't make the logical leap from that to this latest post.

Dems are tired of the same leadership. They were tired of it when Hillary had the DNC steamroll Bernie just to lose to Trump, and it's reached a fever-pitch after they trotted out Biden and then Kamala. It's been the same tired names for decades which has made it all too easy for the GOP to campaign based on stereotypes and culture war-stuff. The establishment Dems weren't anywhere near as effective running their "anything-but-Trump" campaign.

He doesn't read your posts or mine, but I agree with you 100%.

Sorry Bubba. You don't know what you are talking about at worst and at best are changing the subject.

I understand food deserts. I know they exist and understand why they exist.

We had one of those Wal-Mart markets open in an area considered one of those deserts. It closed in maybe 3 years at best because of pilferage and the inability to get stable workers.

If a business can't get dependable workers and suffers mass inventory shrink due to stealing, why the hell would a sane person want to open a business there?

Some people just don't want or appreciate good things. If a community learns how to act, the get better things.

I had to edit this post.