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January 8, 2008.....By Ballpeen
Sources say the above posted op-ed is blog material and should be read with rose colored glasses.
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Damn, I almost wish I wouldn't have mentioned your name. You seem like a stand up guy. And btw......I didn't mention your name to ridicule you, but to jab all the people who just let those comments slide like they were facts.
And you bring up a good point. I see a lot of stats and numbers being thrown around on this board, but it is hard to argue w/10 wins and a near franchise record number of points scored. Those are bottom line stats, and no, they aren't for losers.
I had a really good feeling at the end of the season, but reading the thoughts of people on here has really tempered my outlook and I actually have a bad feeling. I don't really know if this is going to play out for the best.
I am not sure which QB is a better fit for the Browns. I would like to keep both and have one of them win the job outright before trading one away. The QB position is not one to sneeze at and I just think it is irrational to determine the winner right now. We have so much to lose if we make the wrong decision.
Now.........I also don't have a favorite in the derby. I really could care less. It probably comes across as me favoring DA, but that isn't true. I just argue his side so often because his detractors are so far off base that they aren't playing fair. And I believe in playing fair. I do know it would save everyone a lot of aggravation if BQ was the man. It would justify a lot of what Savage has done. I just am not sure that BQ is the man.......and I am also not sure that DA isn't.
Jumping to conclusions is for fools. I sure as hell hope Brown's management is not foolish.
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The way I look at this is that we need to do the best for the Browns... I think BQ could be just as good as DA could be... and if we can get some defensive help for DA then we should trade him. I liked what RAC said earlier in that if we get a good offer for DA then we would have to entertain it... if not then bring him back and let him and DQ fight it out...
In terms of his abilites... I'm not sure what BQ can do at this level, but so far in the preseason games and short stent in the San Fran game I've been impressed with him... doesn't mean much, but he seems to be a smart QB with fair accuracy and a big arm.
I LOVE DA's arm... but he needs to work on his mind a bit... he trusts his arm a bit too much and tries to make throws that he shouldn't.... but I also know with his arm and heart that he has the ability to bring us back in any game... I just hope that we can get a QB who doesn't have to bring us back because we are so far ahead :-)
So the way I look at it is I'd rather have BQ and Defensive help (via a DA trade) vs DA and BQ on the roster... but it'd have to be the right deal... no sense to just trade DA for the sake of trading him.
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j/c DA did, in fact, check down to different receivers. By my memory, right from the start...but I think that after a while he let it set in his mind (a little too much) who he really WANTED to throw to. That made him lock on a little too much and make some bad decisions. I don't dislike DA. Not at all (and I know nobody said I did). But I was seeing things in him during games that caused grey hairs.....and it seemed the media was making him out to be something great. My boss at work came in one Monday morning (before midway of the season) and told me how good our QB was and this and that.  HE HAD NEVER SEEN HIM PLAY. WHAT WAS MAKING HIM SAY THAT? So I became a little vocal on what I thought some of his deficiencies were. I wish that we could have both DA & BQ back next July and fight it out for the starting job. I can't say right now that I'd back the decision of the coach 100% because I'd have to know what I saw in preseason and know what the decision was...but I'd for damn sure root for the guy who played. The reality is, however, DA is a restricted FA. His trade value may improve the TEAM more than his presence, taking into consideration that we have the golden boy, 1st round draft pick from Notre Dame itching to go in. AND...with the golden boy on the sidelines, every thing that the 6th round draft pick did wrong would be magnified by the media (throw the fans in with the media). This is the reality of it all. I'm not making any of it up.
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...just read your post Jaybird. You said pretty much what I was saying...therefore I have the utmost respect for your thought process. 
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January 8, 2008.....By ddubia
I agree.
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The reality is, however, DA is a restricted FA. His trade value may improve the TEAM more than his presence, taking into consideration that we have the golden boy, 1st round draft pick from Notre Dame itching to go in. AND...with the golden boy on the sidelines, every thing that the 6th round draft pick did wrong would be magnified by the media (throw the fans in with the media).
This is the reality of it all. I'm not making any of it up.
And this is what I believe many are missing here.
Yes, it would be a "nice option" to have both DA and BQ here next year. But fact is, it's a gamble no matter what the FO does here.
Let's say they DO sign DA "long term".
What if Quinn wins out next year? And what did we "turn down" to keep DA? Did we give up on a "D stud (current player) and a high second rounder" to keep a guy who ends up being a "back up QB"? Because IF BQ starts next year, DA's value goes down weekly. Trading him at that juncture would net us FAR less than it would now.
It's quite problematic. And people can say what they will, but it's been one QB contraversy after another since the Browns return. And people will sit here on one hand and talk about "how young our team is" and then in the next breath say how "a QB contraversy won't effect the team".
Well with a young nucleus of budding talent, the LAST thing we need is a QB contraversy. ( Quick flight to Seattle ring a bell? )
There is the option that we keep DA and he pans out. But I still don't quite buy into the fact that Savage made such a bold plan of action to attain Quinn and not follow through with that plan. Is it possible? Sure, almost anything is.
Bottom line is, the odds of DA's value "increasing" isn't in the cards IF Savage plans on "Quinn being the future". So the question is fairly basic................
Does Phil consider DA a part of "the long range plan" for the Browns? If he does, then signing him long term is a fine idea. But if not, we may be giving up some key building blocks on D to keep a back up QB?
If Phil doesn't see DA as a "long term fix", I don't see him giving up a deal to help "build the future" for an expencive insurance policy. I believe Phil went to the lengths he went to in order to acquire BQ for "the long haul". A guy with the "proper tools" has been brought in to lead us into the future.
I'm not trying to degrade DA here. There ARE key weaknesses in his game. The more oposing D's saw of him, the more they expounded upon it. I don't have the answer of wheather or not it can "be coached out of him" or not. Don't claim to.
But what I do know, according to documentation, was that once the Phins passed on BQ, Phil was burning up the phone lines! I haven't seen anything that would make him regret that decision thus far.
So is DA in our "long term future"? I'd say we'll have to see what Phil is "willing to pass up" to keep him, huh? Because I think Phil knows that IF he plans to "cash in" on DA, that time is now.
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Sorry to disappoint some of you, but I am not going to rip Vette. I'll let the article stand for itself. I will say that I knew there would be plenty of people--Vette included--who would think it was right on. *L*
I personally think the article was a lot of hog wash written by a guy who wants a certain outcome. I only really agree w/one part.........the fact that Savage has a lot invested in BQ, and that alone, has to give BQ the edge.
I do have to comment on a couple of things people wrote......most notably...TripleOption. He said that BQ actually checked down and DA didn't check down all year. 
People get uncomfortable when I mention the "agenda" word, but it's comments like the above that lead me to that conclusion. No one is that dumb, are they? When did he check down? And to say that DA didn't check down this year is astounding. He did it quite a bit. In fact, it was one of the things where I saw the most improvement. I am NOT saying he always did, but believe me......he did check down.
Then I read where we ran, ran, passed w/DA and threw w/BQ because the coaching staff thought that BQ has a better arm. Come on, man!
Oh........and Spectre......you are making crap up about the players preferring BQ. I can tell you for a fact that is totally false!
I do see this situation not playing out well. What should be a good thing, will probably turn into a negative. I have a feeling that the players and coaches prefer DA... while the fans, media, and management will support BQ. And the fans and the media will make enough noise to turn a positive into a negative.
I have hoped that we keep both and let the best man win. And truthfully, I really don't know who that would be. It might be DA or it might very well be BQ. If it is close, we should go w/BQ. However, I don't think the idiot fans and media are going to sit back and allow it to play out. That is why we get BS articles like the one above and people making up all kinds of things. I do find it interesting that they don't want a fair fight.
And just how do you know the players like DA better: I think just the opposite I saw the look on some of the players faces when DA was throwing the football to the Bungals DB'S all day,and I saw the look on KW 'S face when DA threw the 1st interception in the SF game.It wasnt exactly a look of confidence it was more like "oh no here we go again"
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^^^ Oh great, another mind reader.
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When did he check down?
On his VERY FIRST PASS ... he was looking in the area towards Joe and KW ... Joe was covered and U could'nt tell what happend with KW as he went out of the screen .... so he CHECKED down to Vickers as the CA was coming unblocked from that side ...
then on his SECOND PASS he checked down ... was looking downfield ... no clue at who or what was going on down there ... so he again dumped it off to Vickers .. well towards him anyway .. *L* ...
his 3rd pass he stared down Heiden all the way ... short route and he was open after he cleared the LBer's ..
his 4th pass he appeared to stare down Joe all the way ... short route and settled into a "spot" and was open ...
on his 5th pass he either checeked down to KW 10 yards down the field or was just looking the safety of or reading coverage .... his head starts off right for a brief second then goes to the middle of the field and then back right .. I was pretty impressed with how quick he did those 3 looks .. he seemed to know what he was looking for ..
I would call this a checkdown but am not really sure ...
his 6th pass was the fade to Brey ... no check down there .. and a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE PASS to boot ... threw it way out of bounds and no one had a chance at it ...
his 7th pass was a combo BAD/BUETIFUL READ and he definetly "checked down" ...
the bad read was PRE SNAP ... the LB on Breys side came up to the line between the DE and DT .... leaving the slant for Brey with one on one coverage with the CB who Brey left jockless with the inside move ... BQ must not have looked that way pre-snap cause if he did he would have ate it up .. HORRIBLE HORRIBLE READ on his part ...
now the buetiful read ..... he started on KW who was coming across the middle .. when he saw the safety in the middle of the field come up to cover KW he then threw to the middle of the end zone to Brey where the safety just vacated from .... leaving Brey with one on one coverage with the safety .. thats a GREAT READ and CHECKDOWN ...
on his 8th pass he appeared to be focused on KW all the way ... so IMO no check down there ...
so ... he checked down 100% SURE ... NO DOUBT ABOUT IT on pass plays #1,2 and 7 .. there NO DOUBTERS and on pass #5 he more than likely checked down but may have just been looking the safety off .. witch really makes no sense on the type of pass he threw ...
so he looked off on 1/2 his passes ... the other ones were short routes where the guys were open so their was no need to check off ....
U asked ... there's your answer ....
I was only answering the question U asked in this post ... no more/no less ...
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Had spring like weather for the last two days...was preoccupied 
belated Happy Birthday to Pdawg. 
The article...eh, seems to be on the right track for the most part. I find the speculation findings to be close but the reasoning of certain actions solidifying that speculation to be trivial. Those are all reasons for a fan watching to choose one QB over the other...not a well oiled organization that we hope we have become.
1. We are building this team for Long term effect - We chose BQ to be that Franchise QB and will more than likely be given the opportunity to fullfill that destiny.
2. DA was in our plans as the Franchise Backup when we dumped Frye. Yes, his play I truly believe far exceeded all expectations including RAC n Savage. But didn't overwhelm either one to change their long term plans on making us into a dynasty.
3. DA however did change maybe his destiny of Franchise Backup. We will see - if he is only 75% as talented as his supporters think this will not escape the GMs of the NFL and we will be fielding some incredible offers for his services.
4. QB Competition. Is probably the only position that I in a coach mindset simply do not embrace. I do not remember one ever being good for a team. If there is one the competition should be settled a.s.a.p. There are many rhetorical sayings regarding QB competitions...most used is that if you have a competition then you probably don't have a QB. This was true in our competition of last season Frye vs. DA. Although I believe both RAC n Savage were leaning towards DA and out of respect to Frye called it a competition. But were shocked that DA totally bombed in his play during the Preseason. This extended the competition to run a lot longer than it should have.
5. We eliminated Frye from the equation - some for BQ to make room for Dorsey and to let BQ take the 2nd QB reps. But also we decided the competition was simply not working the way they thought and simply made the choice they knew was best for the team. I think under that premise they will not duplicate 07. They knew DA was their man for 07 but thought the competition would depict that clearly...when it didn't and they were reinforced by CF in his horrid play - they decided to take the matters in their own hands and simply make the commitment.
I reiterate...a QB competition is never good. As a coach I knew who my QBs were but never compared my level to be remotely close to the NFL so at one time thought a QB competition was OK.
The guy who taught me otherwise actually was the credibility maligned Ballpeen - he professed to me why of all positions QB competitions were not good. He was correct on almost all counts. Now its years later and I have learned my lesson. Competition is good for a team...but not at QB!
Was it DA that sparked our team into a proficient offense....or that fact that as a Team we solidified the offensive organization and direction by having only ONE Captain and all efforts were geared to one goal. Execution.
98% - 0% I cannot put a number to it but all I can say is most Starting QBs - who do not experience pressure - have a pocket to step into on a consistent basis - have a balance of weapons - have a balance air/ground attack. Would have success.
Dorsey is not a starting QB...BQ is a starting QB...I feel DA has proved himself to be a starting QB as well.
Now who will take us further in the long run. To me that would be the QB with the most versatile game talents. We all should know teams will game plan - defenses have always been able to catch up to any offense out there. The better the team the better the game plans. Which QB in our system can make the adjustments necessary to succeed and counteract Defensive game planning.
There is no doubt in my mind that BQ is that QB and would give us the best opportunity to win Championships.
DA is too defensible. Take away his pocket - even not totally just get him to move laterally and he's a fish out of water. There is absolutely no threat to make something out of nothing when the coverage is good and the QB must make time look downfield and burn a well executed defense. This is so demoralizing to a defense...just ask them. I can only remember DA executing this once...his long run against KC in 06 and we can all agree that was basically a fluke happening.
I actually was impressed in his escape ability but he missed wide open WRs after WR to burn the defense. I'm talking about a wide open Heiden in the endzone and a 20 yard toss in the general area would result in a TD...instead it floats aimlessly over and to the right of Heiden out of bounds. I mean efficiency that I would on a HighSchool level let alone NFL.
Most of those backing DA as the guy and argue his pure accuracy % of 07 (27th in the league???) with the notion that he simply takes more shots down field and that justifies his poor accuracy numbers. Those are nice words and actually reveal to me the verticle stretch football theories of the 60's, 70's and 80's where 56% accuracy was a welcomed number. But in the case of DA simply is not the case.
It has been proven by (Vettedawg probably) posters that DA's poorest reflection of failed accuracy came in the realm of the under 10 yard throws. This is totally unacceptable for an NFL QB - Some will claim that he will get better. I'm sorry if you have been a QB for over 9 years at 3 competitive levels of play and cannot be efficient on simple slants and sit down hook patterns the odds of improvement is slim to none.
And I won't go into the technical reasons which I have observed and noted several times but will only leave it out there with the words of "Footwork".
Now lets get to BQ...we don't have much data to support any speculations of how he will play in the NFL. All I have is what little I have seen. But some of it is enough.
a. He has a strong arm. He hit KW2 on an out pattern and to get it there with some arm strength as there was a shorter pattern in the area including his defender. But not only did he show the arm strength to his the most difficult throw in the NFL but the accuracy to get it there precisely on the hands of KW2 with both feet on the ground (non-acrobatic catch) so that he could quickly turn upfield and get the YAC we should see from KW2 much more often.
b. He can make the long throws...but he also has shown excellent accuracy on intermediate passes so that Defenses cannot over commit - They will commit one way and get burnt the other.
c. Clock management. I've seen BQ on 3 occasions and I could give two dinks against who - take over the team and bring them down with clean efficiency of a true leader. I just don't see the same confidence and leadership coming from DA.
These are just glimpses of him during his tenure as an NFL QB but these are telltale happenings that are not flukes.
I do see BQ being able to do almost all the good things that DA is capable of but so much more. It is that reason that I believe RAC n Savage will have no doubt in their mind who their franchise QB is. I didn't need the Bengal game to sway me one way or another. I've maintained a consistent view of DA...he is who he is. Nothing more, nothing less - sorry Franchise QB is not on the list.
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I posted these in another thread ...just for people to look at.
DA's completion % & passer rating after the bye week:
72.0% -- 143.0
60.4 -- 75.3
45.7 -- 83.4
63.2 -- 73.8
68.6 -- 96.5
51.2 -- 71.6
55.2 -- 83.3
37.5 -- 57.1
60.4 -- 53.4
55.0 -- 75.4
Now something else ...his completition % broken down for the season..
Attempts 1-Through-10 yds 50.6 % completition
Attempts 11-Through-20yds 63.9 %completition
Attempts 21-Through-30yds 55.4 %completition
Attempts 31+ yds 55.7 %completition
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Thanks for the words.
And to that end...even though I like DA and don't want him gone like some....for the betterment of the team....he or Quinn probably needs to be gone by the opener, and I concede with all things considered, it is far more likely DA is the guy to leave from nearly any angle one would want to consider.
Whoever takes the field next season shouldn't have to do so with basically half the fan base wanting the other guy....or at minimum, clamoring for it at every bump in the road.
No matter what, there are going to be bumps. It is easy to say it doesn't matter what fans want, only what coaches want...but it does matter when you have a guy getting booed and the media in constant watch. I don't care what anybody, including players say...that works on the psyche.
Whoever takes control....be it Brady or Derrick, he needs to do it with full confidence, and that won't happen if the other guy is on the sideline.
If Brady takes over....it will be better even if his play is less than what DA provided if DA isn't on the team....the opposite holds as well.
You have to have #1....and then the other guy...the guy the majority of fans really don't want to see play except in emergency.
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Thanks for the words.
And to that end...even though I like DA and don't want him gone like some....for the betterment of the team....he or Quinn probably needs to be gone by the opener, and I concede with all things considered, it is far more likely DA is the guy to leave from nearly any angle one would want to consider.
Whoever takes the field next season shouldn't have to do so with basically half the fan base wanting the other guy....or at minimum, clamoring for it at every bump in the road.
No matter what, there are going to be bumps. It is easy to say it doesn't matter what fans want, only what coaches want...but it does matter when you have a guy getting booed and the media in constant watch. I don't care what anybody, including players say...that works on the psyche.
Whoever takes control....be it Brady or Derrick, he needs to do it with full confidence, and that won't happen if the other guy is on the sideline.
If Brady takes over....it will be better even if his play is less than what DA provided if DA isn't on the team....the opposite holds as well.
You have to have #1....and then the other guy...the guy the majority of fans really don't want to see play except in emergency.
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This season is a classic example.
If BQ wasn't on the team, the entire deal would be different.
You may still have people saying DA needs to improve and get better at this or that.
You may even have some say we might need to explore the possiblity of trading for another QB.....but you wouldn't have boatloads of people looking to not sign the guy....nearly all would be worried we couldn't sign him. People wouldn't be looking for picks....people wouldn't spend endless hours looking up every kind of stat to support their position...
It would be a entirely different deal....and in some way, that would help DA and the team play better.
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it is far more likely DA is the guy to leave from nearly any angle one would want to consider.
Now just a couple of weeks ago you said the odds were much better that we would trade Quinn. Do you just change your mind with the wind or do you really just make things up as you go along? 
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And to that end...even though I like DA and don't want him gone like some....for the betterment of the team....he or Quinn probably needs to be gone by the opener, and I concede with all things considered, it is far more likely DA is the guy to leave from nearly any angle one would want to consider.
Whoever takes the field next season shouldn't have to do so with basically half the fan base wanting the other guy....or at minimum, clamoring for it at every bump in the road.
No matter what, there are going to be bumps. It is easy to say it doesn't matter what fans want, only what coaches want...but it does matter when you have a guy getting booed and the media in constant watch. I don't care what anybody, including players say...that works on the psyche.
Whoever takes control....be it Brady or Derrick, he needs to do it with full confidence, and that won't happen if the other guy is on the sideline.
If Brady takes over....it will be better even if his play is less than what DA provided if DA isn't on the team....the opposite holds as well.
You have to have #1....and then the other guy...the guy the majority of fans really don't want to see play except in emergency.
peen as much as i can't argue with you, cause thats very posible...heck not even possible, it has happened here many times...
i still cannot see the logic in having a bum as a backup so everyone is behind the starter...
what you say is true....if...we are losing games....where was the clamor for bq this year? there wasen't cause we were winning...
maybe we are screwed cause da won some games, but having a guy that can step in and play is invaluable at the qb position, just like every other position....
i think the qb has to know the team and coaches are behind him and nothing more...if the team and coaches waffle, then we have problems...
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Dude, why do you constanly post someone's entire post just to add a line or two of comment?
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it is a CLASSIC EXAMPLE .... but as usual U are WRONG about the heart of the matter ...
the first 7 or 8 games u heard NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE asking for BQ .. there were a few of us that said we thought we'd be better off long term with BQ but none of us said one thing about bringing him in ... why?? CAUSE DA WAS PLAYING OK IMO but GREAT IN MOST PEOPLES MINDS ...
the 2nd half of the season he didnt PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL ... hence the calls for BQ started to go up (and not from me) and it culminated in the Bungle debacle ....
the CRAP started when DA's perfoermance went down .. if your QB plays WELL there is NO CONTROVERSY ... I guarantee U on our team this year after week 1 there was NO CONTROVERSY and NO SPLIT TEAM ...
next year AFTER BQ kicks his ass inthe comp and then PLAYS WELL ALL YEAR U won't hear anyone clamoring for DA ..
its like WINNING .... PLAYING GOOD CURES EVERYTHING ...
the ONLY TIME U GET A QB CONTROVERSY is when U have a QB THAT IS NOT PLAYING UP TO SNUFF .....
WE BETTER NOT GOT RID OF DA cause of some myth BS of the fans/media splitting this team ... ONLY THE TEAM CAN DO THAT ... and like i said ... GOOD PLAY will make it IMPOSSIBLE ... just look at this year and how it unfolded .... THERES YOUR PROOF ...
if we trade DA we best get some GOOD VALUE for him .. like a 1st or a 2nd ... if not were DUMB AS HELL ... cause as a back up hes not worth a 3rd ...
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everything U said is part of why i KNOW BQ will whoop him next year int he comp ... also the fact that no other GM IMO is going to give us a 1st and prolly not even just a 2nd for him (and I dont know if we'd take a 2nd for him .. i know we'd jump at a 1st) is why i have said since way back in week 3 or 4 he'd still be here .. AS HE SHOULD BE ... no way is he worth trading for a 3rd .. we need at least a 2 .. NOTHING LESS ... problem is .. I dont' believe we'll get it .. HOPEFULLY I'M WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
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And to that end...even though I like DA and don't want him gone like some....for the betterment of the team....he or Quinn probably needs to be gone by the opener, and I concede with all things considered, it is far more likely DA is the guy to leave from nearly any angle one would want to consider.
Even though there is a possibility that DA will be here next season I also feel he'll be gone.SO,..who would be a viable b/u to Quinn?,.. Harrington?,Leftwich?I really think we'll be in the market for a vet QB who likes to sit in the pocket.We have an OL that could resurrect the carrer of an otherwise washed up QB and get him for a reasonable price.
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it is far more likely DA is the guy to leave from nearly any angle one would want to consider.
Now just a couple of weeks ago you said the odds were much better that we would trade Quinn. Do you just change your mind with the wind or do you really just make things up as you go along?
An example of the maligned EO talked about.
Some of us carry a thought through a thread and even into other threads. I have no idea what makes you think I said that....possibly when I said something to the effect the odds of DA being traded weren't as slamdunk as some might think...that BQ could be the one traded.
At any rate, if you want to sit back and find a "ah-ha" comment and then use that as the basis of your thought without understanding the entire context of my comment or line of thought....go ahead, smack away, I really don't care what you and others think or want to do.
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We have an OL that could resurrect the carrer of an otherwise washed up QB
I think that about sums up the 07 season, don't you?
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it is far more likely DA is the guy to leave from nearly any angle one would want to consider.
Now just a couple of weeks ago you said the odds were much better that we would trade Quinn. Do you just change your mind with the wind or do you really just make things up as you go along?
An example of the maligned EO talked about.
Some of us carry a thought through a thread and even into other threads. I have no idea what makes you think I said that....possibly when I said something to the effect the odds of DA being traded weren't as slamdunk as some might think...that BQ could be the one traded.
At any rate, if you want to sit back and find a "ah-ha" comment and then use that as the basis of your thought without understanding the entire context of my comment or line of thought....go ahead, smack away, I really don't care what you and others think or want to do.
Wow, are you lying or just don't even remember what you post? Don't act like I'm picking on you with some kind of false claim or twisting what you said, I was very curious how you can do a 180 within a couple of weeks. I went and found your exact quote:
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The odds are much better we trade Quinn.
If we lose DA it will be due to a offer we can't match.
When we cut Frye, people on the boards called us a laughing stock.....pretty funny when you think about it....if you want to see what a laughing stock is all about...wait and see what happens if we trade DA.
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i still cannot see the logic in having a bum as a backup so everyone is behind the starter...
I understand your concern, and don't know if I can really explain that.
I guess it is predicated by knowing your starter is a good starter. And very possibly the gap I mention is just the natural gap behind the really good players and the "other guy".
I guess all I can say is we need to give and take on the matter a bit...I buy in to what you are saying and you buy into mine.....the word bum.....no you don't want a bum...Dorsey as #2 behind Quinn or DA is about right.
I guess my jumping around is a good indicator I am at a loss for adequate words to explain the feeling......I just know it isn't a good thing when a large portion of the base can't wait for a qb to leave the game. It needs to be 98% of the base can't wait for a qb to get back in the game.....so going on that idea, no matter the level of the starter, it makes sense to me to have a clear division in the ability of #1 and #2.
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I think that about sums up the 07 season, don't you?
Not really,...to be a washed up QB you've had to of had something before. Our 07' QB wasn't already "washed up".
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the 2nd half of the season he didnt PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL ... hence the calls for BQ started to go up (and not from me) and it culminated in the Bungle debacle ....
Seems I remember a thread you started saying the time to start BQ was now.....I am not saying that to discredit you, and I don't remember when you posted that....but it seems it was a while back. The point is there has been a harping on DA from the beginning....it didn't just start game 9.
I fully agree we need to get good compensation.....qbs don't grow on trees.
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We have an OL that could resurrect the carrer of an otherwise washed up QB
I think that about sums up the 07 season, don't you?
So we shouldn't carry the heavy investment in a QB we don't need ..... and should "resurrect" some washed up QB, and trade both DA and Quinn for picks and defensive help. I mean .... if any bum'll do ...... let's take drastic measures to fix the defense ... right?
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Dude, why do you constanly post someone's entire post just to add a line or two of comment?
DUDE why did you even post THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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The odds are much better we trade Quinn.
If we lose DA it will be due to a offer we can't match.
When we cut Frye, people on the boards called us a laughing stock.....pretty funny when you think about it....if you want to see what a laughing stock is all about...wait and see what happens if we trade DA.
The odds are greater we trade Quinn, because we can't lose him in FA. 
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So we shouldn't carry the heavy investment in a QB we don't need ..... and should "resurrect" some washed up QB, and trade both DA and Quinn for picks and defensive help. I mean .... if any bum'll do ...... let's take drastic measures to fix the defense ... right?
The statement was made referring to a Backup QB not the starter.
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If you look back on DA'S body of work the whole season I think you will see if you review each and every game that he should have had a lot more interceptions.With that being said what would people be saying today if his stats were 29 touchdowns and 29 picks,because really it should be closer to those then what he ended up with.
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I know ..... It was a reference to the seemingly neverending refrain by some that "any" QB could have done as well as, or better than, Anderson did ......
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Dude, why do you constanly post someone's entire post just to add a line or two of comment?
DUDE why did you even post THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dudes, stop saying dudes and get back on track.
As far as having two good QB's, look it's great to say "keep them both we need some depth there." But realistically you have to look at this through DA's/BQ's eyes. Do you really want to be a career back up? I'm 90% sure that both of these guys can start in the league, and I'm 1000% sure that their agent is telling them that as well. Sooner or later, one of our QB's ego will get too bruised that he will want out, be it DA or BQ. I'd love to keep them both, but it isn't realistic to think that we can.
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The odds are much better we trade Quinn.
If we lose DA it will be due to a offer we can't match.
When we cut Frye, people on the boards called us a laughing stock.....pretty funny when you think about it....if you want to see what a laughing stock is all about...wait and see what happens if we trade DA.
The odds are greater we trade Quinn, because we can't lose him in FA.
You must really think people are stupid.
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You must really think people are stupid.
Nope, he just thinks you are
Sorry Peen,,, when someone leaves the door that wide open,., I had to rush right in..
Just kidding with you Jules,,,
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You must really think people are stupid.
Not all.....just some.
I am playing with you gal...who knows why I said that, but you have to admit it was a good answer.
As it stands today.....I would have to say my previous comment is no longer valid...the odds are better we will lose DA over Quinn.
But back to something you said earlier...is it a problem to change ones mind??
I guess some may say flip-flop while others may say a person who weights the facts and is open to all factors concerning a very fluid topic.
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Here is the other side of the con .....
With the talent this team has on offense, this team offers a QB a solid chance to really shine. Would you rather compete for the chance to drive Ferrari .... or be handed the keys to a Chevette? This year can be the competition. We maintain quality and depth no matter which guy wins the job.
If Quinn wins the starting job, we have a really outstanding backup, capable of winning 10 games in a season. If Anderson wins the starting job, we have a developing 1st round QB as our backup. Either situation is a good one.
After this coming year, we will probably have decided which direction we are going with the QBs, and will either have re-signed DA, or made plans to do so ...... or will have decided to move forward with Quinn. Either way, we'll have another year's worth of data to base our decision on.
Plus, we are protected in the event of injury for a year. Let's face it .... if things had turned out just slightly different .... and Tenn had lost, but DA had been seriously injured against the 49ers, would you rather have gone into the playoffs with Quinn .... or Dorsey as your playoff starter?
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People do change their mind but they usually PREFACE their new statement by saying they changed their position...
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Sorry Peen,,, when someone leaves the door that wide open,., I had to rush right in.
And usually that leaves one being unwanted.
I have known Jules for 3-4 years. While not close friends, we would know each other if we were to stumble upon each other in a grocery store or somewhere....I don't think she is stupid at all.
Pain in the butt maybe, stupid, no.
Please don't presume to know who I might consider a stupid person.
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