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Of the millions of illegals who have piled in to the country, how many are caught in this predicament you pose?

1 is too many, right? Or just collateral damage?


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What's a half a million one way or the other? Am I right? I mean it's not like they're "one of us".


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“They’re taking Shirly”: An Army sergeant in Houston thought his family was safe, then ICE deported his wife
Sonner Kehrt, The War Horse
Mon, June 16, 2025 at 6:38 PM EDT12 min read


Army Sgt. Ayssac Correa had just started his day at the 103rd Quartermaster Company outside of Houston on the morning of March 13 when he got a phone call from his sister-in-law.

She worked at the same company as Correa’s wife and had just pulled into the parking lot to see three ICE agents handcuffing her.

“They’re taking Shirly away!” she told him.

This month, as protesters clash with law enforcement amid immigration raids in Los Angeles, President Donald Trump has ordered 4,000 National Guardsmen and 700 active-duty Marines to respond. The move injected the military into the highly contentious debate over immigration. For the tens of thousands of service members whose spouses or parents are undocumented, the issue was already personal, pitting service against citizenship.

In his first week in office, President Trump signed multiple executive orders aimed at reshaping the country’s immigration policy, calling border crossings in recent years an “invasion” and arguing that many undocumented migrants have committed “vile and heinous acts against innocent Americans.”

But Correa and his wife weren’t too worried. After they got married in 2022, the couple had filed paperwork to start Shirly Guardado on the path to citizenship, and Correa assumed that, as an active-duty soldier, his family wouldn’t be impacted.

“Me being in the military — I felt bad that it was happening, because I’m also married to somebody who’s going through the [immigration] process. But I was like, ‘Oh, there’s no way this is going to happen to us,’” he said.

That misconception is common, immigration attorneys and advocates told The War Horse. But in reality, there is no guaranteed path to citizenship for undocumented military family members — and no guaranteed protections against deportation.

There are no reliable statistics on how many service members marry citizens of other countries, but it’s not uncommon, says Margaret Stock, a leading expert on immigration law and the military. The progressive group Fwd.us has estimated that up to 80,000 undocumented spouses or parents of military members are living in the U.S.

“You can imagine what happens when you’re deployed in more than 120 countries around the world,” Stock said.

“It’s taboo,” says Marino Branes, an immigration attorney and former Marine who first came to the U.S. from Peru without documentation. “It’s not like you’re announcing it to the world.”

But he and other immigration attorneys told The War Horse they are working with active-duty clients who are scrambling to get their spouses or parents paperwork as immigration enforcement actions ramp up, and it becomes clear that military families are not immune.

In April, ICE arrested the Argentinian wife of an active-duty Coast Guardsman after her immigration status was flagged during a routine security screening as the couple moved into Navy base housing in South Florida. Last month, the Australian wife of an Army lieutenant was detained by border officials at an airport in Hawaii during a trip to visit her husband. She was sent back to Australia.

As the debate over illegal immigration roils the country, recent polling from the Pew Research Center shows that about a third of Americans think that all undocumented immigrants living in the country should be deported. Fifty-one percent believe that some undocumented immigrants should be deported, depending on their situation. For instance, nearly all those respondents agree that undocumented immigrants who have committed violent crimes should be deported. But just 5% think that spouses of American citizens should be.

Lawmakers have reintroduced several bills in Congress that would make it easier for spouses and parents of troops and veterans to get their green card.

“The anxiety of separation during deployment, the uncertainty of potentially serving in a conflict zone — these challenges weren’t just mine. They were my family’s as well,” Rep. Salud Carbajal, a Democrat from California, said at a news conference last month. He came to the U.S. from Mexico as a child and served in the Marine Corps.

“I find it unconscionable that someone could step up to serve, voluntarily, in our military and be willing to sacrifice their life for our country only to have their families torn apart.”

“I didn’t hear from her for three days”

The morning that ICE took Shirly Guardado into custody had started like any other. She and Correa had woken early to prepare their 10-month-old son for the day and then taken him to Guardado’s mother to watch him while they worked — Correa as a logistics specialist, handling the training for part-time Army reservists at his unit, and Guardado as a secretary at an air conditioning manufacturing company.

Guardado had gotten a work permit and an order of supervision from ICE, meaning she needed to check in regularly with immigration officials, after she was apprehended crossing the border about 10 years earlier, her lawyer, Martin Reza, told The War Horse. Her last check-in had been in February, just a month before.

“She reported as normal,” Reza said. “Nothing happened.”

But on that morning in March, Guardado got a strange phone call at work. Some sort of public safety officer had dialed her office and wanted her to come outside to talk. In the parking lot, three men in plain clothes identified themselves as Department of Public Safety officers, Correa told The War Horse. As Shirly approached, they said her car had been involved in an accident. But when she got close, they grabbed her and handcuffed her, telling her they were ICE agents.

That’s when Guardado’s sister-in-law called Correa.

He said the ICE agents refused to tell him where they were taking his wife. By the time he got to her office, they were gone.

“I didn’t hear from her for like three days,” he said. When she was finally able to call him, from an ICE facility in Conroe, he told her there must have been some mistake.

“They’re gonna realize you got your stuff in order, and they’re gonna let you go,” he told her.

“I kept thinking, ‘Oh, she’s gonna get out tomorrow. She’s gonna get out tomorrow.’ And then that turned into almost three months,” he said.

On May 30, ICE deported her to Honduras. It was her 28th birthday.

Protection through military parole in place

Correa had met Guardado in a coffee shop in Houston in 2020 — “the most beautiful girl I’ve ever seen,” he said. After they got married, Reza helped the couple file paperwork for Correa to sponsor Guardado to get her green card.

Because Correa was in the military, the couple also put in an application for military parole in place, a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services program that can help military and veteran family members temporarily stay in the U.S. legally while they work to get a more permanent status.

The program grew out of the experiences of Yaderlin Hiraldo Jimenez, an undocumented Army wife whose husband, Staff Sgt. Alex Jimenez, went missing in Iraq in 2007 after his unit came under insurgent fire.

Alex Jimenez had petitioned for a green card for his wife before he deployed, but while the Army searched for him, the Department of Homeland Security worked to deport her. After the case gained national attention, the department changed course and allowed her to stay in the U.S. temporarily. She was awarded a green card in July of 2007. Almost a year later, the Army found her husband’s remains.

“After that case, the bureaucracy realized that they could go ahead and do this for everybody,” Stock said. “It would solve a lot of problems for military families, and it would contribute to readiness, and the troops are going to be a lot happier, because there’s a lot of troops that have this problem.”

But not everyone is granted parole, and filing can be complicated. Historically, all of the military branches have offered legal assistance to military family members applying, as long as legal resources were available. But the Coast Guard recently “discontinued” its legal assistance to undocumented Coast Guard family members looking to apply for a military parole in place, a spokesperson said in an email to The War Horse.

In response to follow-up questions, the Coast Guard called it a “pause” that resulted from a “recent review of assistance with immigration services available to dependents.” The War Horse has confirmed multiple examples of Coast Guard families being denied this legal assistance, although USCIS says the program is still active and military families are still eligible to apply. The other military branches say they have not made any changes to the legal immigration assistance they provide military families under the new administration.

But even for families who are able to apply for parole in place, approval isn’t guaranteed. There are certain disqualifying factors, like having a criminal record, and USCIS offices have discretion over granting parole.

“All of these field offices have a captain, a chief there,” says Branes. “They dictate policy there.”

USCIS denied Guardado and Correa’s application for military parole in place. Even though ICE had released her to work in the U.S. with check-ins a decade earlier, and she had no criminal record, she was technically under an expedited deportation order, which USCIS told her was disqualifying. They told her to file her application for military parole in place with ICE instead.

That’s not uncommon, Stock said. “But ICE doesn’t have a program to give parole in place.”

When ICE agents arrested Guardado, Reza said, her request for a military parole in place had been sitting with the agency for over a year with no response.

“Families serve too”

Correa is planning to fly down to Honduras shortly to bring their son, Kylian, to reunite with his mother. He’s put in a request to transfer to Soto Cano Air Base in Honduras in hopes of being stationed closer to them. He said his wife has been bouncing from hotel to hotel since landing in the country. Her brother, who is a legal resident, flew to Honduras to meet her there, since she has no family in the country, having come to the U.S. more than a decade earlier.

He wants to continue serving in the Army, which he joined in 2018. Shortly afterward, he deployed to Syria.

“This is what I want to do,” Correa said. But if his transfer request isn’t approved, he said he won’t renew his enlistment when his contract is up next year. He’s looking at selling all his possessions and moving to Honduras — anything that will make it possible to bring his family together again.

“You recruit the service member [but] you retain the family,” says Stephanie Torres, who was undocumented when her husband, Sgt. Jorge Torres, who had served in Afghanistan, died in a car crash in 2013. “You retain the family by letting them know, ‘You belong here. You serve too.’”

She and other advocates say that targeting military family members for deportation can harm military readiness by taking away a focus on the mission. Some service members may be scared or unable to enroll their family members for military benefits or support programs.

Today, Torres is working with the group Repatriate Our Patriots, which advocates on behalf of deported veterans, to build up a program to support military and veteran family members who are deported or are facing deportation.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, in coordination with the U.S. Customs and Border Protection assists with deportation of illegal aliens at Biggs Army Airfield, Fort Bliss, Texas, Feb. 6, 2025. Under the direction of the U.S. Northern Command, U.S. Transportation Command is supporting Immigration and Customs Enforcement deportation flights by providing military airlift.
Federal agents prepare undocumented immigrants for deportation at Biggs Army Airfield, Fort Bliss on Feb. 6, 2025. Credit: U.S. Army photo by Cpl. Adaris Cole/DoD Southern Border 2025
One of the people she is working with is Alejandra Juarez, who became a face of military family separation during the first Trump administration when she was deported to Mexico as the wife of a decorated combat Marine veteran, leaving behind her husband and two school-age daughters.

In 2021, after multiple lawmakers wrote letters on her behalf, then-President Biden granted her a humanitarian parole to reenter the United States and reunite with her family.

Juarez crossed into the U.S. from Mexico when she was a teenager and said she signed a document she didn’t understand at the time that permanently prevented her from gaining legal status.

“When my husband was called into active duty and put his life on the line, it didn’t matter if I had documents,” she told The War Horse. “I was a military wife.

“We should be able to get a second chance.”

Earlier this month, Juarez’s parole expired, and she has no path to citizenship. She sees the administration ramping up its immigration enforcement and ending many of its parole programs. She doesn’t want to spend money or time on what she assumes will be a dead end.

When her parole expired, she said, her immigration officer extended her a grace period to stay in the United States for one more month, to celebrate her younger daughter’s birthday. She’s turning 16.

Then, on the 4th of July, Juarez must leave the country.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/taking-shirly-army-sergeant-houston-223815093.html

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Yeah but how many people like her do they treat that way?


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There were 530.000 of them. Does that not make a difference? It seems you support people who are doing things the right way and following our laws be turned into criminals with the flow of a pen. Is that the America you really want?

I have no problem with it. The State Dept. has always had the power to determine legal status. I think a lot of them are "student" visas.


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BTW- Biden was "Your" president too. I don't want to claim trump either but he is the president of the country where I was born and live

I said "your" since you voted for him. I am well aware he was my President. I have always referred to the President by President whatever the name no matter if I voted for them or not.

That isn't something I can say for most of you. It is an office I respect and treat the person holding the office accorded that respect, no matter if I agree with them or not.


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Of the millions of illegals who have piled in to the country, how many are caught in this predicament you pose?

1 is too many, right? Or just collateral damage?

Collateral damage. You don't just scrap our legal justice system because occasionally an innocent person is found guilty.

You try to find remedy, but it happens.


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Of the millions of illegals who have piled in to the country, how many are caught in this predicament you pose?

1 is too many, right? Or just collateral damage?

Collateral damage. You don't just scrap our legal justice system because occasionally an innocent person is found guilty.

You try to find remedy, but it happens.

I was going to respond to PS's post about not wanting (and in this case, not being required) to argue this in the extremes. I don't think the next stage of our immigration/deportation laws should be crafted around some obscure portion of the population... but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

The ironic part about your post is that it's this admin that wants to "just scrap our legal justice system". They have directly defied court orders and want to eliminate due process when it's convenient for them.


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But he and other immigration attorneys told The War Horse they are working with active-duty clients who are scrambling to get their spouses or parents paperwork as immigration enforcement actions ramp up, and it becomes clear that military families are not immune.

In April, ICE arrested the Argentinian wife of an active-duty Coast Guardsman after her immigration status was flagged during a routine security screening as the couple moved into Navy base housing in South Florida. Last month, the Australian wife of an Army lieutenant was detained by border officials at an airport in Hawaii during a trip to visit her husband. She was sent back to Australia.

You're not going to hear anything but crickets on here from the MAGA crowd, even though (according to them) all people being deported are violent criminals and that we don't need actual laws passed and can continue forward with EOs to solve our border problems.


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The 530k I mentioned had nothing to do with student visas. Collateral damage is killing or wounding your own troops in battle. It appears that's how you see this.


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Well, to make matters worse, ICE also detained an Afghan interpreter who helped our troops during the war.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/afghan-ally-detained-by-ice-immigration-court/


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Houston police: Man impersonating ICE agent responsible for robbery

Houston police said a man was robbed by a guy who was impersonating an ICE agent. He was arrested in the Galleria area on Tuesday night.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/c...285-94e83556-0aea-4c40-b7ac-c6da3b658988

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Of the millions of illegals who have piled in to the country, how many are caught in this predicament you pose?

1 is too many, right? Or just collateral damage?

Collateral damage. You don't just scrap our legal justice system because occasionally an innocent person is found guilty.

You try to find remedy, but it happens.

ok then, remember there is no remedy when a legal US citizen is killed in trumps grand scheme here.


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No this isn't from June 14th. It's yet another flip flop on this issue. The third call on this in a little over two weeks. Insanity on full display. "They don't know what the F*** they're doing!"?


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Of the millions of illegals who have piled in to the country, how many are caught in this predicament you pose?

1 is too many, right? Or just collateral damage?

Collateral damage. You don't just scrap our legal justice system because occasionally an innocent person is found guilty.

You try to find remedy, but it happens.

WOOOO there big fella. Now you are worried about scraping our legal justice system but your ok with a convicted felon running for and winning the presidency? Or the attacks by this adminstration on the Constitution? That's ok with you.

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It's okay because it doesn't pertain to him, anyone he is close to or anyone who looks like him. So you know, it's all good.


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It's okay because it doesn't pertain to him, anyone he is close to or anyone who looks like him. So you know, it's all good.


I get that!


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President Donald Trump told Iowans he's going to "put the farmers in charge" when it comes to deporting agricultural workers who are in the country illegally.

"We’re finding the criminals, the murderers, the drug dealers, we’re getting them the hell out of here," Trump said Thursday, July 3, at the Iowa State Fairgrounds in the America 250 kickoff of the yearlong semiquincentennial celebration.

But he said he and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem are "going to sort of put the farmers in charge."

"If a farmer’s willing to vouch for these people, in some way, Kristi, I think we’re going to have to just say that’s going to be good, right?" he said. "You know, we’re going to be good with it. Because we don’t want to do it where we take all of the workers off the farms. We want the farms to do great like they’re doing right now."

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...eporting-migrant-ag-workers/84467007007/

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There is the fact that being here past your visa allowance or without one is illegal, so you will have to come up with something else.

You do have something else, right? Sorry, I know you don't.


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Just for the record, I do support expedited visas for those here who are supporting for the country's good.

Sort of along the lines of what the President said. Allow employers to vouch for people as long as they don't light up on some bad hombre list.


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Holy cow are you for real? There are legal immigrants that have been here for decades that are now being deported. And you shrug it off as “Collateral damage”. How white of you.


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Holy cow are you for real? There are legal immigrants that have been here for decades that are now being deported. And you shrug it off as “Collateral damage”. How white of you.


You probably should have a link to the first part. As for the how white of you crack, that is beneath you.


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Holy cow are you for real? There are legal immigrants that have been here for decades that are now being deported. And you shrug it off as “Collateral damage”. How white of you.


You probably should have a link to the first part. As for the how white of you crack, that is beneath you.

I'll just leave it with what you said.


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There is the fact that being here past your visa allowance or without one is illegal, so you will have to come up with something else.

You do have something else, right? Sorry, I know you don't.


He promised to deport "the worst of the worst"- first.
Now, I.C.E. is rounding up day laborers outside of Home Depot. All because:

1. Stephen "The Goebbels Ghoul" Miller yelled at ICE 2 months ago- and placed a monthly 'quota' for abductions upon America's new SS Goon Patrol to meet.
2. It became harder to find/grab/prosecute/deport actual criminals than it was to raid farms, factories, box stores, and meat processing plants than it was to simply just start grabbing Brown People from south of the Rio Grande off the streets. No investigations. No Juris Prudence. No Habeas Corpus.

Just- snatched up, and hauled away.
Is this the America you envisioned when you entered law school?

Take a moment to dig deeper, 'Peen.
Look into the stories of the people swept off the streets by masked, unidentified (by badge or uniform name) individuals representing "America's interests":

This is the first result from my Google inquiry: "percentage of ICE deportees who have no criminal records":

Approximately 65% of individuals detained by ICE in fiscal year 2025 had no criminal convictions, according to data from the Cato Institute. Furthermore, over 93% of those detained had not been convicted of a violent offense. Many of the remaining individuals had only minor offenses, such as traffic violations.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

No criminal convictions:
According to the Cato Institute, 65% of individuals detained by ICE in fiscal year 2025 had no criminal convictions.
No violent convictions:
Over 93% of those detained by ICE had no convictions for violent offenses.
Minor offenses:
Many of the individuals with convictions had only traffic violations or other minor offenses. *

This is from The Cato Institute- not exactly a bastion of liberal thoughtspeak.

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You, on a football fansite, trying to corner another poster with pseudo-clever wordsmith, while The Real World shows us what's really happening. Every day. In real time.
I'd ask you to "check yourself, before you wreck yourself"... but I'm afraid that your ship has already sailed over that horizon.

It has been sad to watch this happen to you, over these past 4+ years.
I miss the fellow Browns fan I used to like/respect. I wish he'd come back to us... but I don't hold out much hope for that ever happening. 'Trumpism' now seems to own you.
You were much better than this, when we first met.

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There is the fact that being here past your visa allowance or without one is illegal, so you will have to come up with something else.

You do have something else, right? Sorry, I know you don't.

It's rather convenient how every time trump changes his mind, you change yours. I had no idea these farmers did extensive background checks on their employees. It reminds me of when someone in a nice neighborhood turns out to have murdered his wife. The local news station interviews his neighbor.... "But Paul was such a nice man. Always willing to help his neighbors. He went to church every Sunday. We had no idea he was capable of such a thing."

So now it will be farmers who are vetting "illegals" and that makes sense to you? Only in trumplandia.


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Oober, guess if you come here illegally and then marry an American citizen you should immediately contact an immigration attorney and start the process of becoming a legal resident. If you wait till ICE finds you and arrests you it could well result in a major disruption in your life, though I think if your spouse initiates proceeding to bring the wife to America he will be able to do so.

I guess that old adage applies. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

Tom Homan has said repeatedly we are going after the violent criminals. But if we find you in a bar sitting with 10 other people who are here illegally we are gonna arrest all of you and initiate proceedings. They are all here illegally and need to be deported.

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Clem you need to pay better attention. The Cato institute and Reason magazine, a libertarian magazine, strongly support open borders. They are not an example of someone who opposes illegal immigration! I left the Libertarian party for two reasons and one of them was their position on illegal immigration.

And I think it is juvenile to suggest there is something wrong with people who believe if you came into this country illegally you need to be deported. We are a country and we have borders. They are there for a reason.

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Unless you're a farm worker, right? Then all a farmer has to do is "vouch for you". Have you been keeping up? I know it's hard to do since it keeps changing all the time.

How do they know if those 10 people sitting at a bar are illegal or not? Maybe because they're drinking Corona or Modelo? Drinking tequila perhaps? Let me guess. They check their paperwork based on the color of their skin. If not, how else would they know if they are illegal?

"Notice to ICE; Target everyone with brown skin."


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Could you provide some examples of people who have legal status being deported. Not detained, but deported. I have a feeling you are gonna have a tough time with that.

Which is not to say mistakes cannot be made. In fact the only way to avoid making mistakes is to do nothing and that is not an option. If we make a mistake we will fix it. But we need to keep the goal in front of us. If you are here illegally you have to go.

If you are here illegally and are smart, use that app to self deport. I think that puts you at the top of a list to return. When we are ready. It is America’s choice who comes in!! Not some cartel coyote!!

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I guess if you are sitting at a bar consorting with a violent criminal our antenna go up. Gives us a right to ask for id.

We are going to get people who came here illegally out of our country. You lefties can just keep on whining while it happens.

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I guess you righties haven't been keeping up with the news. So what criminals were all those brown people sitting with when there were over 300 random traffic stops of Brown people made in Nashville in only a few hours? Stop making excuses. Trump is now saying that won't apply to farm workers as long as farmers "vouch for them". Will you start whining now or will you do the usual and follow along with whatever trump tells you to?



And there it is. Straight from the horses as...... mouth. So are you going to call trump a lefty now?


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" They aren't just driving down the street looking for random Mexican restaurants or farms to see who they might be able to round up. "

Well Peen, I hate to be the guy that's giving you some bad news. But that is exactly what they are doing.

All over the country, there are reports that show them doing just that. MANY OF THE ICE AGENTS ARE MASKED.

Maybe if you watched something other than FOX News or Newsmax or OANN, you might know that.

https://www.latimes.com/california/...ce-immigration-raids-continued-on-july-4

https://hias.org/news/ice-raids-what-you-need-know/

If you take the time to look at other news org's, you'll find plenty of stories of people that have been hear legally that are getting picked up.

A band of crazies who have a leader that is just as nuts as they are. And you defend them?


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Am I misreading that Oober, or does it say “work temporarily “? If it is temporary by definition it must come to an end. When it does they need to go home.

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As you know, they are masked because you lefty clowns doxx them and put their families lives in danger.

And the operation in Nashville made 500 stops approximately. Unlike you I was not there so I do it know their color. But I do know this. About 100 were detained for immigration violations, including a tda member, a child rapist , about 30 who had been deported and reentered illegally, a felony. There were others who had criminal convictions or criminal charges.

Any not included in those groups broke into our country illegally and all need to be deported.

As should always be the case America controls who comes into our country.

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