DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Quinshon Judkins Arrested for Domestic Violence

Not good. Time to wait for the suspension handed down from the NFL.

Right on cue.

I want the Vegas odds on Sampson getting injured in the preseason, I need to start making money on my misery. Just can't possibly make this stuff up anymore.

🤣🤣

Ooooof course…

I guess it is the culture OSU builds.

OK, just kidding....we can wash away 5 games from his rookie season. How long was Hall suspended? Didn't his family even recant the claim?

The positive is he hasn't signed yet, unless he signed his deal yesterday and went home and slapped his girl around to celebrate.

No worries, I think Sampson is going to be really good.

I think Berry might need to get his staff digging a little deeper in to some of these guys.

Cant wait to see people defend Judkins . " well hes young and who didn't make mistakes at his age "
That's all we heard on hete when Sanders got pulled over for speeding
Let me know when Andrew Berry turns into a competent GM.

Another season who’s over before it even started.

As an exposed Bengal fan why u still posting here ?

If we would have kept Chubb for one more year instead of Ford I probably wouldn't feel so bad, but I guess we should wait and see how Judkins case plays out. So far? Not looking good (sighs).

Do you want more receipts of your Bengals fandom? I can put them out there if you want.

You remind me of an exgirlfriend. Rest assured, Idontluvherormissher. All she did is b*tch and moan, or wait, was that my dog?? I can't remember, high school was soooo long ago.

I'll break it down...

⦁ "Everyone" didn't say that about Sanders.
⦁ No one is going to say that about Judkins, so you'll be waiting awhile.
⦁ There are no planets in our solar system where driving fast in a fast car is the same as beating a woman.

Agree with the close. Maybe we need to do a better job vetting girlfriends as well?

Yeah, because you know, domestic violence is just like speeding. Did I need purple for that?

But then there was Watson, so.......

.

Drafting players with character issues, and yes, being part of domestic violence is a clear sign of weak impulse control and bad decision making, raises questions about scouting and background checks. The Browns recently totally ignored one of the most blatantly clear cases of character issues, DSW, and now we’re here again.

Is it always bad luck when these mistakes repeatedly happens again?

January 27th 2020

Your welcome.

According to the court records obtained by CBS Miami, the incident occurred on July 7 after the victim left the airport, but did not report it until Saturday. According to the records, the victim and Judkins came to South Florida “as friends,” but after the incident she stayed with him in Fort Lauderdale for five days and celebrated her birthday.

More details emerge in Quinshon Judkins battery case after release from jail

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https://clutchpoints.com/nfl/clevel...ils-emerge-quinshon-judkins-battery-case

Cleveland Browns rookie running back Quinshon Judkins landed in jail late Saturday evening. Judkins has left the jail cell. But with new details emerging.

Fort Lauderdale police took Judkins into custody for misdemeanor battery/domestic violence. CBS News in Miami added new context after obtaining court records Sunday.

“During his hearing, the judge found probable cause and ordered Judkins not to be in contact with the victim, no firearm access, and set his bond to $2,500,” the records revealed.

Judkins spent his evening at Broward County main jail, per the police report. He then appeared in bond court on Sunday. CBS Miami witnessed him walk out of jail after the bond hearing.

Browns’ Quinshon Judkins incident occurred few days before arrest

The incident took place a few days before the 2025 NFL Draft pick got handcuffed, per the report.

“The alleged incident happened on July 7 after the victim had left the airport but did not report it until Saturday, according to records revealed during Judkins’ bond court hearing,” CBS Miami shared.

Judkins spent time with a person described as a “friend” during his South Florida visit. The female friend spent as many as five days with the former Ohio State football running back. Including celebrating her birthday.

But Fort Lauderdale police responded to a “delayed battery” Saturday around 9 a.m. ET.

“Officers spoke with the victim and determined a battery had occurred during their preliminary investigation,” CBS Miami shared as part of the FLPD report.

The Browns became aware of Judkins’ arrest late Saturday night. But opted to not provide comment into the matter. Cleveland Plain-Dealer Browns insider Mary Kay Kabot reports that the NFL will launch its investigation as part of the league’s Personal Conduct Policy.

” Judkins faces a possible suspension of up to six games for a first violation,” Kabot wrote Sunday.

Judkins emerged as one of two second round selections for the Browns. He landed 36th overall after leading the Buckeyes to the 2024 season national title.

Lol... oof.

I guess a team isn't allowed to go from Watson to no-character-concerns in one go... and we gotta step down gradually. (this is sarcasm).


I don't want to sound like a Berry defender right now, but did Judkins come in w/ character concerns? Honest question because I didn't hear any but I also don't follow college football at all.

j/c

I'm wondering what "character concerns " Judkins had shown before the draft? I keep seeing it mentioned in this thread but am not aware of any such concerns.

There’re hundreds of studies on this subject but the more recent ones are more focused on potential risk factors like being born in a family with a history of DV, alcohol, drugs, mental illness, PTSD, ADAH or similar and those with a low self esteem.

Those with a combination of two or more of these factors are also more likely to in some stage of their life being involved in some sort of DV.

It’s very rare that a sexual relationship goes from zero abuse to a physical confrontation in one motion.

It often starts with a subtle verbal abuse and from there it escalates until the aggressor in the end becomes physical violent. These conclusions aren’t ground breaking or news for people who has a or had a relationship. It most of the time follows a certain pattern and those with knowledge and experience can often with a little bit of insight in the relationship see if there’re any risk factors involved and what to expect if the couple doesn’t get any help. In most families the parents, siblings or close friends often reacts if something is suspicious.

Character concern isn’t always what the person has done in the past, it could be potential risk factors and what kind of background they have.

Some raise from the ashes no matter what like LeBron or Nick Chubb. They’re often called asphalt flowers because they make sure they grow to their potential and they stay mentally healthy no matter challenges. Others don’t, like DSW.

The only thing a sport organization can do is to see if there’re any risk factors involved.

Check family background. In most cases involving young people you can almost directly recognize the asphalt flowers. They’re ambitious. They work hard without taking short cuts or use excuses. They often take care of their parents, siblings or family members. They follow the law, hardly ever you see more than speeding and parking tickets. They don’t smoke or do drugs. They often work extra to help their economy. They don’t have to be geniuses but they are smart enough to graduate and finally they often find long term friends and a serious relationship early in their life.

There’re off course exceptions and those who don’t follow the usual script but the vast majority tick most of the boxes mentioned above.

You do realize that the majority of NFL players and most of the best players were raised on poverty surrounded by gangs, drugs, crime and abuse, correct? Are you suggesting Judkins hasn't worked hard? What on your list was Judkins guilty of in his past? Man, I had no idea you were that slanted against people unlike yourself.

So to sum it up you have nothing in Judkins past to indicate there should have been "character concerns" about him when he was drafted.

I doubt that but I have no facts to base that doubt on.

Neither do I. I said Berry and crew might need to dig deeper, but maybe they. This could be a one time deal.

I find it a bit odd the assault took place at or near the airport but the women stuck it out another 5 days while on vacation with the guy before reporting. I saw no report of her being kidnapped or held hostage.

Either you didn’t read what I wrote properly or, what’s more likely, you didn’t understand the context of what the text said.

I wrote “they work hard without taking short cuts or making excuses” as one of the characteristic among many others.
Go back and read again without prejudice and then try to understand what’s cause and consequences.

The key part of the text is risk factors.

Being raised in poverty is of course harder than being born with silver spoon in your mouth, that goes without saying. Young children who’re used to domestic violence has often later in life problems with setting boundaries, handling anger or aggressions and deal with conflicts. That’s of course not their faults, just the consequences of living with domestic violent in their home when they were young. That’s a risk factor, combined it with alcohol, drugs, mental illness, PTSD or other factors and it’s a dangerous mix.

Look at Richard Sherman.

Behind an intelligent fasad you had mental illness, alcohol and maybe drugs. Not even the smartest can escape their past and characteristics they’re born with. Richard had thankfully good friends and a loving family, that was probably his saving.

This text isn’t about judging Judkins, that’s a case for the police the court system, but what we do know is that he’s accused of DV.
Pure statistic data says that the probability of involvement of several risk factors is very high when the police is getting involved. If that’s the case then a competent NFL organization could have a had good chance to spottet it with a little bit of serious background checks.

Some organizations has in fact a pretty decent record of avoiding potential trouble makers, and are very proud of how the work with this sensitive subject.
Other organizations work differently and prioritize win at all costs with the consequences of sometimes signing trouble makers and players with high risk factors.
Different ideologies. Different leadership’s. Different outcomes.


You need to read new scientific literature about women being abused by dominant and violent men.

Without going in to specifics there’re factors why women hesitate, some don’t even understand they have been part of DV and some are just frightened. Maybe the woman is a lier but statistically more than 90% of women who reports to the police has been part of some sort of DV.

Love and/or traumatizing experiences is often the biggest factor why women need time before understand what they have gone through.

I’m also a victim of poor understanding what domestic violence means and what it can do to the weaker part in a relationship.
It was only when my daughter was raped and involved in DV that I took time to read scientific literature and listen to those with real knowledge and experience.

It was eye opener that ruffled many of my thoughts and opinions. It’s hard to take onboard that I in the past was probably part of the problem.

I find that odd, too. He’s an NFL draft pick, gonna have a couple million soon, maybe a lot more down the road. I’m not trying to say he’s not guilty but let’s face it, gold-diggers are everywhere. Maybe after the “vacation” ended, she saw that he didn’t consider her in his “long term plans” and decided to get what she could get.

Or maybe he’s an idiot and really did punch in her in the face. Let’s wait for the facts to come out. If they ever do.

It doesn't look good since he actually did (allegedly) strike her, but I'm going to reserve judgement here.

They weren't together from December until just recently in June, then there is a major blow up over stuff he saw on her phone and she's trying to backpedal it. I smell a golddigger; it happens every single year to one of the rookies.

The poor kiddos.

From ChatGPT

Estimated Rate of False Accusations
• Most studies estimate that false allegations make up about 2% to 10% of reported domestic violence cases.
• This rate is similar to false reporting in other crimes like theft or assault.
➤ For example, a 2010 report by the U.S. Department of Justice found that false reports of sexual assault were in the range of 2% to 8%, and similar trends are observed for domestic violence.
• Importantly, a claim that is unproven or dismissed in court is not automatically false — it could simply lack enough evidence or have been dropped for legal or safety reasons.
Domestic violence is a complex and deeply rooted issue influenced by a combination of individual, relational, societal, and cultural factors. Here are the main reasons why domestic violence occurs:

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Reasons for using DV.

1. Power and Control
• At its core, domestic violence is often about one person trying to gain or maintain power and control over another.
• This can manifest in physical, emotional, psychological, sexual, or financial abuse.

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2. Learned Behavior
• Many abusers witnessed or experienced violence in their families growing up.
• They may have learned that violence is an acceptable way to resolve conflict or express anger.

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3. Cultural and Societal Norms
• In some cultures or communities, patriarchal beliefs and gender roles normalize male dominance and female submission.
• This can justify or excuse violence, especially against women or LGBTQ+ partners.

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4. Mental Health Issues
• Certain mental health conditions (e.g., personality disorders, trauma) may contribute to violent behavior.
• However, not all individuals with mental health issues are violent, and most abusers do not have diagnosable disorders.

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5. Substance Abuse
• Alcohol and drugs can lower inhibitions and increase aggression, making abuse more likely or more severe.
• However, substance abuse is often a contributing factor, not the root cause.

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6. Jealousy and Insecurity
• Possessiveness, extreme jealousy, and fear of abandonment can lead individuals to try to control their partners.
• These feelings can escalate into emotional or physical violence.

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7. Economic Stress and Dependency
• Financial pressure can increase tension and conflict in relationships.
• Economic dependence can also trap victims in abusive relationships.

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8. Lack of Consequences
• In many cases, laws are not enforced, or social systems fail to protect victims.
• This lack of accountability allows abusers to continue their behavior unchecked.

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9. Low Self-Esteem (in Abusers and Victims)
• Some abusers try to feel powerful by dominating others.
• Victims with low self-esteem may feel unworthy of respect or incapable of leaving.

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10. Social Isolation
• Abusers often isolate victims from friends, family, and support systems, making it harder for victims to get help.
• Isolation also increases the abuser’s control.

Men against women

When focusing specifically on men committing domestic violence against women, the causes often intersect with societal norms, personal histories, and issues of power and control. Below are the main reasons this type of violence occurs:

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Men against women

🔴 1. Desire for Power and Control
• Many male abusers use violence to assert dominance over their partners.
• Abuse becomes a tool to control a woman’s behavior, choices, and independence.

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🔴 2. Patriarchal Beliefs and Gender Roles
• In patriarchal societies, men may feel entitled to control women or believe women should be submissive.
• Cultural or religious beliefs may reinforce male authority over women.

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🔴 3. Learned Behavior from Family or Society
• Men who witnessed their fathers or other male figures abusing women may normalize this behavior.
• They may grow up believing violence is part of being a “man” or handling conflict.

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🔴 4. Insecurity and Jealousy
• Extreme jealousy or fear of abandonment often fuels controlling behavior.
• Men may try to limit women’s independence to reduce their own feelings of vulnerability.

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🔴 5. Poor Emotional Regulation
• Some men lack healthy ways to express anger, frustration, or sadness.
• Instead, they turn to aggression and violence as a response to emotional discomfort.

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🔴 6. Substance Abuse
• Alcohol and drugs often intensify violent tendencies, especially in men already prone to abuse.
• It can reduce inhibitions and increase aggression.

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🔴 7. Sense of Entitlement or Ownership
• Some men believe they “own” their partners and feel justified in punishing them for disobedience or perceived disrespect.
• This is especially evident in cases of sexual violence within relationships.

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🔴 8. Economic or Social Stress
• Financial hardship, unemployment, or social frustration may increase tension.
• Some men may take out their feelings of failure on their partners.

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🔴 9. Lack of Legal or Social Consequences
• In many places, domestic violence is underreported or ignored by authorities.
• When men know there will be no serious consequences, they are more likely to repeat the abuse.

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🔴 10. Isolation of the Victim
• Abusers often cut women off from friends, family, or support systems, increasing their dependence and decreasing the chance of escape.

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Additional Note:

While most men do not abuse their partners, the majority of reported domestic violence cases involve men as perpetrators and women as victims. Understanding the root causes is crucial to prevention and support.

This is a complex issue.

NFL players are over represented but that goes without saying. Despite all the right words from coaches and general managers there’s sometimes a silent acceptance against these type of crimes.

Reward someone who has used violence or abuse against others with million dollar contracts is part of the problem. DSW is a prime example of extremely poor judgement from executives and a NFL organization. He’s not the worst aggressor but the amount of women and the salary packet they gave him is unacceptable and shows that these people in charge, and a lot of supporters, have zero understanding that they’re a huge part of the problem.

I have been guilty turning my blind eye on it so I definitely not absolving myself from criticism.

If I look at my past I can see why. My
grandfather used heavy DV against my grandmother. My father agaost my mother. I have friends and family members all being part of this, either as the aggressor or as victims.

It’s all over the place.
I do most of this because of my youngest daughter.
Changes must be done and I use this platform to do what I can.

Flo....news for you. This platform doesn't do anything to help the problem.

Just saying.

Makes you love a guy like Chubb even more.

For every Richard Sherman's out there, there a hundred that don't turn out like Richard Sherman. I find it ridiculous you use isolated examples to try and label an entire group of people. There were no warning signs. More people who grow up around domestic violence use it as an example of what not to be than those who follow that pattern. I think your own personal experience cloud your judgement. Which is understandable.

NFL Draft: A few rich players, many poor black communities

https://digitaledition.chicagotribu...uid=ad56aa38-6389-47e3-beac-c158a050d10d

If that means stereotyping young black men from poor socioeconomic backgrounds I would hope not.

Come on man, I don't get in to that. It's like the old story about Alabama husbands in redneck tee's beating their wife. I have many Alabama relatives who are husbands who don't beat their wife, and yes many wear those sleeveless Tee's. I am quite sure there are many family members, brothers, cousins, etc. who would beat the snot out of that person, be them blood or in-law. I don't have any direct black blood in me that I am aware of, but I am sure any of my black brothers would do, and feel the same, so let's forget this stereotype talk.

To the situation....it isn't looking good. Not from a Browns perspective. From a human perspective. It's not all said and done, but it appears that Jundkins is junk. A little Punk.

I don't have any links. My son is the Twitter guy but I don't have any reasonto doubt what he told me, but again, I can't post up any links, some of you twitter people might be able to research. The reports out of Ole Miss aren't good.

Nothing about hitting women but about him as a team member. Reports about him leaving Ole Miss was a mutual decision. He was always complaining about money and play calling. It got to the point Jax Dart was wanting him out of the huddle due to his disruption.

If Lane Kiffin is wanting you to leave the program, you are a pain in the ass. Kiffin is a pretty player friendly coach.

I do think Berry, or at least his scouts could have dug that up. I don't think most coaches are petty enough to tarnish a player who transfers unless there was a reason. Nobody wants a sandbagger, be it raise a players skills or demean him in some way without it being a true evaluation.

Nothing in the entire post by you I quoted had anything to do with any of that.

So once again, there was no criminal history or violence in Judkins past to indicate a reason for concern. I had no idea that what people see on Twitter about a disgruntled player means a team should be concerned about him running afoul of the law or committing domestic violence. In what world are those two things relative?

I haven’t thought about color of skin for one second and why do you think I want to label an entire group of people?

I deeply apologize if anything in my text has any reference to color of skin or socioeconomic backgrounds. Domestic violence is universal and you find it everywhere.

The reason I used Sherman as an example is that even the brightest, most intelligent and nice people can have these problems. We’re all the product of our upbringing and DNA.



Once again. There’s no stereotyping from my part. I don’t care if players are pink, white or green. I don’t see or judge people because of color. On the other hand political parties extremism , religion and being part of suspicious groups is another story.

Socioeconomic factors plays a part. That’s a fact. We can’t ignore that.
Being raised by a single mother is a factor. Some benefits from it others don’t.

If I’m specific. Young men, color or not, needs role models, mentors, fathers, grandfathers. Someone who hold these young men accountable. Someone who both love and care without shying away from responsibility.

Andrew Berry could be that man inside Berea. He has everything needed to take that role.
I’m still waiting..,.

You are describing many of the great players in the NFL. Since you claim color isn't a factor here, what color are the vast majority of drafted NFL players fit into the category that profile describes? I'm not going to say that's your intention but that's certainly the results.

In the case of Judkins, nothing you posted even applies. both of his parents were heavily involved in his life and they are who he gives credit to for inspiring him to work hard. So why would you bring this up about a player none of this applies to?..................

The only son of Quincy and Teva Judkins, he's one of three children in the family. They moved from Montgomery, Ala., to Pike Road, Ala., when he was in the seventh grade, and he eventually graduated from Pike Road High School, which won an Alabama 5A state championship his senior season.

Judkins talked about his parents, football and academics during an interview with the Beacon Journal during the Browns' OTA in late May.

What has your mom, Teva, meant in terms of being a role model and influence in your life?

My mom is amazing. Both my parents are really a part of my desperation to be successful and compete every day at whatever it may be in my career. My parents just had such a huge impact on my life, and they're both big inspirations.

Was there a crossroads moment in your life where you realized just what your parents meant to you?

Really just their integrity, they've always had my entire life. Their drive to make sure me and my siblings had what we needed. Both of my parents are truly determined, and that's where I think I get my determination from because of how they have that grind and that fire and that drive to be successful. I think it was contagious and spread to me and my siblings.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/5-questions-quinshon-judkins-browns-100222319.html

Is what you have been focusing on simply something you assumed about Judkins while having no idea of his upbringing?

According to the police report Judkins hit his woman with his hand closed. In my country it’s called a fist punch.

That’s not normal for a man who had a decent upbringing, so either there’s risk factors involved that we don’t know about like ADHD, mental illness, drugs, alcohol, problem with impulse control or similar and maybe there’re also more to his background story then what’s in the Beacon Journal.

Statistically there’s a very high probability that more women will come forward with similar stories about abusive or aggressive behavior and maybe even past incidents involving some sorts of violence.

Your in the minority as far as thinking Berry is a competent GM.
As a matter of fact the last GM the Browns had that showed
He had the traits of a legit GM was John Dorsey .
But its irrefutable. Andrew Berry is not GM material.
When Haslam eventually shows him the door, do you think AB is going
To get another GM job . Heck no.
But you keep on believing he is a competent GM .
But then again your the same guy that thought signing Dwayne Bowe
Was a great signing

I agree but unfortunately many Browns supporters are suffering from the Stockholm syndrome because of years of poorly results and that’s why just the slightest improvements lead them to sympathizing and defending him despite he’s underperforming in relationship to the recourses he has to his disposal.

His biggest shortcomings outside poor drafting and signings is his inability to change the culture, to create a healthy working environment.

The Browns are still suffering after five years from a weak leadership where there’s a lack of discipline and accountability. There’s no natural leaders in this organization. Is it the Haslam who steer the ship, is it Berry and what’s Stefanski’s responsibility in changing the culture?

Nobody can with certainty say who’s the real leader is and this open up conflicts and poor decision making.

This thread is originally about a misguided young man with serious problems but it all hang together one way or another.

This incident could be a coincidence where none can be hold accountable but without a stronger leadership it’s hard to change a weak culture. Until the Browns get a healthier working environment and a better culture we will continue to see more of these tragic incidents.

Same mechanisms but in a bigger scale as in many dysfunctional families.
The youngest suffers from the elders inability of prioritizing and leadership.

Once again, you referenced things that had nothing to do with Junkins because you jumped to conclusions before looking into his background. In your own words "when you were being specific"


What you did here was obvious.

I'm just wondering, you missed the boat on your diagnosis of Judkins and now you're trying to diagnose Browns fans as a whole? So can you please inform us as to which university you received your psychology degree from? Let me guess, you don't have a psychology degree but you did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Am I right?

She called 9-1-1 for something that happened days earlier?

I don't think that's what she thinks it is.

I think he and stripper were roommates at BS University

Ball St? Boise St?

We’re on the same route as when we signed a certain quarterback from Houston.
Denial’s. Shift focus. Attack the poster instead of participating in a meaningful discussion.

If you actually care about the Browns you should demand answers and hold the leadership accountable about all the poor decisions they’ve made.

I’m not pre judging anyone in this case but statistically there’s a very high probability that this young man has two or more risk factors attached to him.

Could the Browns have foreseen this?

Statistically (remember the word statistically now so you don’t confuse my words as a fact) everything point of the direction of use of illegal substances . The question that interest me is if these risk factors where possible to know or this young man just become violent from one day to another?

No we're not. That's pure BS. There were clear warning signs about watson. What you call a meaningful discussion in this case has none of the signs you have even brought up. Trying to compare these two situations is ludicrous. To have a "meaningful discussion" you would first have to bring up meaningful points that apply to the situation at hand. You have done none of that.


I take each situation on a case by case basis. And in case you missed it, this is a thread about Judkins. I hated the watson signing. They should have seen the warning signs because they were clearly there. I don't know where the hell you were at the time but my posts spoke out strongly against it at the time. Can you even read my sig. on this board?

You're posting in a thread specifically about Judkins while bringing all these points that in noway apply to him, trying now to compare it to the watson situation and then claim you are " not pre judging anyone"? You must believe everyone who posts here fell off of the stupid truck but you.

The only issue I have with your post is that your demands are coming before enough info is available.

I tried looking, and I couldn't find any red flags published prior to the draft. So was he a ticking time bomb? Apparently(?)

Should Berry have known? That's even harder to answer.


I acknowledge that Berry continues to paint a picture in terms of player accountability/leadership with this coming on the heels of moving on from Watson. We don't yet know.

You have to investigate it in a serious light no matter what. The evidence of bruising, witness statements, the whole nine yards. It seemingly was enough to trigger an arrest. You have to remember, though, that in many states arrest is the preferred course of action and the bar for it is pretty low.

He will have to fight it out in court. That's really all there is to it. Unless she is looking for a civil settlement and then refuses to cooperate.

The easy part in a due diligence is to search for documented history and talk to people.
The difficult part is to evaluate risk factors. The more risk factors the greater risk, that goes without saying.

According to the CDC’s National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS) approximately 25% of all women have experienced severe physical violence by an intimate partner.
Almost 50% of all women have experienced physical aggression and 20% have been raped at least once in their lifetime.

These stats are crazy.

It’s also very rare that physical violence against a partner pop up out of nowhere.

Hitting someone means that the aggressor has to break a barrier, factors that often can change a person’s impulse control is use of alcohol, drugs or mental illness, or a combination of two or more factors. Almost every time when the police make a background check they find at least one or two risk factors.

So what young women (and serious NFL organizations) should look for is risk factors.
Too many risk factors should raise an immediate red flag and maybe then it’s better to walk away.

Statistically most men who have been arrested by the police has a history of past incidents, with that in mind it doesn’t look good for Judkins and there was probably known signs to see for those who had the courage and the willingness to dig deep.

I sincerely hope that this young man can come through this but from a statistical standpoint it doesn’t look good.

Enough! I keep reading your posts. You are incredibly judgmental and prescriptive in your desired outcomes.

The point is in the opener. Read and consider your statement. I care. So of whom must I demand answers? Name them and explain how you call them out in the process you require. How is that managed by fans?

And I will quit with this. You state we must hold "those" responsible accounts;e, I assume in some punitive ways that will punish them enough to force compliance according to your outcomes. Tell me what those measures are, those steps, and how they will impact those targeted. Less squealing, more specifics.

Not sure why a man needs to hit a woman to prove a point

If a woman is trying to harm or kill me, yes I'll protect myself

Jealousy, well putting a hand on someone.

Never seems to be the right answer.

Talk it out. No matter how hurtful it is for both parties.

Oh yes sir I will abide
Cause you set the parameters around here dont you .?
This a open forum for football talk .
Yet some of you take it too seriously.
Anyone who differs in your opinion, you take exception.
Like I said let me when Andrew Berry can actually build a winning
Roster.

Go back to the Bengals board

Results don’t lie!
Not one season, not five season, not even ten seasons.
I don’t need to say more if we talk about the leadership.

Andrew Berry!
The person in charge. The man responsible for the working environment. The man in charge of the draft process and signings.

There’s a law, follow it!
Hitting a person with your fist is a crime, hitting a woman with a fist is even worse, from a moral standpoint.
The police investigate it and the judge takes care of the punishment, anything else?

The Browns results speak for themselves. If you want improvements. Accountability.

The Browns working environment and the lack of accountability, it’s all connected. Results. Lack of discipline. Lack of respect.
If you want changes. Accountability.

Myles Garrett hit the Steelers quarterback with his helmet.
Myles was involved in a car accident.
Myles disrespected the organization when he demanded to be traded.
Where’s the accountability, where’s the respect?

If a star player can be disrespectful and then be rewarded ….. with a monster contract, it sends signals.

Deshaun Watson. Rejected the Browns in his initial valuation. Disrespected countless of women. Extremely bad publicity. Suspension. Reward. Monster contract.

Quinshon Judkins didn’t sign his rookie contract as far as I’m aware of. He wanted guaranteed money, correct?
He then hit his ex girlfriend with a closed hand according to the police report.
Now he’s facing legal actions, probably suspension and less money, in a worst case scenario his career is over.

Respect. Accountability. Culture. (said with the same emotional wibe and conviction as Colonel Nathan R. Jessup)

Do you see the correlation?

j/c:

Browns in no rush to sign Quinshon Judkins or get him to camp by Friday while they investigate his domestic incident

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...y-investigate-his-domestic-incident.html

Thank you professor Floquinho. You have tied Judkins into a profile of conduct, possible past of drug use and earlier of not having a positive role model in his life which is patently false.

None of which you have any evidence of exists with Judkins. You have droned on and on about how his past should have been investigated more thoroughly and talking about red flags while showing no signs of anything in his past that would have sent off any alarm bells. What you have posted is the very epitome of profiling a young man.

I think you and I are saying the same thing? I tried and couldn't find anything pre-draft (as well as the articles written after the arrest) that indicated there were any sorts of red flags attached to this guy.