DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Quinshon Judkins Arrested for Domestic Violence

Come on man, I don't get in to that. It's like the old story about Alabama husbands in redneck tee's beating their wife. I have many Alabama relatives who are husbands who don't beat their wife, and yes many wear those sleeveless Tee's. I am quite sure there are many family members, brothers, cousins, etc. who would beat the snot out of that person, be them blood or in-law. I don't have any direct black blood in me that I am aware of, but I am sure any of my black brothers would do, and feel the same, so let's forget this stereotype talk.

To the situation....it isn't looking good. Not from a Browns perspective. From a human perspective. It's not all said and done, but it appears that Jundkins is junk. A little Punk.

I don't have any links. My son is the Twitter guy but I don't have any reasonto doubt what he told me, but again, I can't post up any links, some of you twitter people might be able to research. The reports out of Ole Miss aren't good.

Nothing about hitting women but about him as a team member. Reports about him leaving Ole Miss was a mutual decision. He was always complaining about money and play calling. It got to the point Jax Dart was wanting him out of the huddle due to his disruption.

If Lane Kiffin is wanting you to leave the program, you are a pain in the ass. Kiffin is a pretty player friendly coach.

I do think Berry, or at least his scouts could have dug that up. I don't think most coaches are petty enough to tarnish a player who transfers unless there was a reason. Nobody wants a sandbagger, be it raise a players skills or demean him in some way without it being a true evaluation.

Nothing in the entire post by you I quoted had anything to do with any of that.

So once again, there was no criminal history or violence in Judkins past to indicate a reason for concern. I had no idea that what people see on Twitter about a disgruntled player means a team should be concerned about him running afoul of the law or committing domestic violence. In what world are those two things relative?

I haven’t thought about color of skin for one second and why do you think I want to label an entire group of people?

I deeply apologize if anything in my text has any reference to color of skin or socioeconomic backgrounds. Domestic violence is universal and you find it everywhere.

The reason I used Sherman as an example is that even the brightest, most intelligent and nice people can have these problems. We’re all the product of our upbringing and DNA.



Once again. There’s no stereotyping from my part. I don’t care if players are pink, white or green. I don’t see or judge people because of color. On the other hand political parties extremism , religion and being part of suspicious groups is another story.

Socioeconomic factors plays a part. That’s a fact. We can’t ignore that.
Being raised by a single mother is a factor. Some benefits from it others don’t.

If I’m specific. Young men, color or not, needs role models, mentors, fathers, grandfathers. Someone who hold these young men accountable. Someone who both love and care without shying away from responsibility.

Andrew Berry could be that man inside Berea. He has everything needed to take that role.
I’m still waiting..,.

You are describing many of the great players in the NFL. Since you claim color isn't a factor here, what color are the vast majority of drafted NFL players fit into the category that profile describes? I'm not going to say that's your intention but that's certainly the results.

In the case of Judkins, nothing you posted even applies. both of his parents were heavily involved in his life and they are who he gives credit to for inspiring him to work hard. So why would you bring this up about a player none of this applies to?..................

The only son of Quincy and Teva Judkins, he's one of three children in the family. They moved from Montgomery, Ala., to Pike Road, Ala., when he was in the seventh grade, and he eventually graduated from Pike Road High School, which won an Alabama 5A state championship his senior season.

Judkins talked about his parents, football and academics during an interview with the Beacon Journal during the Browns' OTA in late May.

What has your mom, Teva, meant in terms of being a role model and influence in your life?

My mom is amazing. Both my parents are really a part of my desperation to be successful and compete every day at whatever it may be in my career. My parents just had such a huge impact on my life, and they're both big inspirations.

Was there a crossroads moment in your life where you realized just what your parents meant to you?

Really just their integrity, they've always had my entire life. Their drive to make sure me and my siblings had what we needed. Both of my parents are truly determined, and that's where I think I get my determination from because of how they have that grind and that fire and that drive to be successful. I think it was contagious and spread to me and my siblings.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/5-questions-quinshon-judkins-browns-100222319.html

Is what you have been focusing on simply something you assumed about Judkins while having no idea of his upbringing?

According to the police report Judkins hit his woman with his hand closed. In my country it’s called a fist punch.

That’s not normal for a man who had a decent upbringing, so either there’s risk factors involved that we don’t know about like ADHD, mental illness, drugs, alcohol, problem with impulse control or similar and maybe there’re also more to his background story then what’s in the Beacon Journal.

Statistically there’s a very high probability that more women will come forward with similar stories about abusive or aggressive behavior and maybe even past incidents involving some sorts of violence.

Your in the minority as far as thinking Berry is a competent GM.
As a matter of fact the last GM the Browns had that showed
He had the traits of a legit GM was John Dorsey .
But its irrefutable. Andrew Berry is not GM material.
When Haslam eventually shows him the door, do you think AB is going
To get another GM job . Heck no.
But you keep on believing he is a competent GM .
But then again your the same guy that thought signing Dwayne Bowe
Was a great signing

I agree but unfortunately many Browns supporters are suffering from the Stockholm syndrome because of years of poorly results and that’s why just the slightest improvements lead them to sympathizing and defending him despite he’s underperforming in relationship to the recourses he has to his disposal.

His biggest shortcomings outside poor drafting and signings is his inability to change the culture, to create a healthy working environment.

The Browns are still suffering after five years from a weak leadership where there’s a lack of discipline and accountability. There’s no natural leaders in this organization. Is it the Haslam who steer the ship, is it Berry and what’s Stefanski’s responsibility in changing the culture?

Nobody can with certainty say who’s the real leader is and this open up conflicts and poor decision making.

This thread is originally about a misguided young man with serious problems but it all hang together one way or another.

This incident could be a coincidence where none can be hold accountable but without a stronger leadership it’s hard to change a weak culture. Until the Browns get a healthier working environment and a better culture we will continue to see more of these tragic incidents.

Same mechanisms but in a bigger scale as in many dysfunctional families.
The youngest suffers from the elders inability of prioritizing and leadership.

Once again, you referenced things that had nothing to do with Junkins because you jumped to conclusions before looking into his background. In your own words "when you were being specific"


What you did here was obvious.

I'm just wondering, you missed the boat on your diagnosis of Judkins and now you're trying to diagnose Browns fans as a whole? So can you please inform us as to which university you received your psychology degree from? Let me guess, you don't have a psychology degree but you did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Am I right?

She called 9-1-1 for something that happened days earlier?

I don't think that's what she thinks it is.

I think he and stripper were roommates at BS University

Ball St? Boise St?

We’re on the same route as when we signed a certain quarterback from Houston.
Denial’s. Shift focus. Attack the poster instead of participating in a meaningful discussion.

If you actually care about the Browns you should demand answers and hold the leadership accountable about all the poor decisions they’ve made.

I’m not pre judging anyone in this case but statistically there’s a very high probability that this young man has two or more risk factors attached to him.

Could the Browns have foreseen this?

Statistically (remember the word statistically now so you don’t confuse my words as a fact) everything point of the direction of use of illegal substances . The question that interest me is if these risk factors where possible to know or this young man just become violent from one day to another?

No we're not. That's pure BS. There were clear warning signs about watson. What you call a meaningful discussion in this case has none of the signs you have even brought up. Trying to compare these two situations is ludicrous. To have a "meaningful discussion" you would first have to bring up meaningful points that apply to the situation at hand. You have done none of that.


I take each situation on a case by case basis. And in case you missed it, this is a thread about Judkins. I hated the watson signing. They should have seen the warning signs because they were clearly there. I don't know where the hell you were at the time but my posts spoke out strongly against it at the time. Can you even read my sig. on this board?

You're posting in a thread specifically about Judkins while bringing all these points that in noway apply to him, trying now to compare it to the watson situation and then claim you are " not pre judging anyone"? You must believe everyone who posts here fell off of the stupid truck but you.

The only issue I have with your post is that your demands are coming before enough info is available.

I tried looking, and I couldn't find any red flags published prior to the draft. So was he a ticking time bomb? Apparently(?)

Should Berry have known? That's even harder to answer.


I acknowledge that Berry continues to paint a picture in terms of player accountability/leadership with this coming on the heels of moving on from Watson. We don't yet know.

Come on back when you know more about football than you do about football than you do quantum physics .