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I didn't like the Gabriel pick because you don't tend to get starter-level QBs in the third round. Odds are much higher than you can get a contributor on Oline, LB, maybe safety, RB.

Now that we're gearing up for training camp, draft order means exactly squat. I'm rooting for both him and Sanders. It would be such a dramatic turn if one of these guys (including Pickett) can definitively show that they are gonna be "the man".

I love me some Flacco, but it's clear that he's about as temporary of a solution as you can get. We need to make good (but quick) decisions on the young guys we have in the QB room. This year is gonna be all about determining what we have (if anything) in the 3 young QBs.

I would just love for someone to win the job outright. I mean leave no doubt. Everything else is just noise.. Do we have that guy on the team right now? I sure hope so.

Shorter QBs who succeed are rare. They need to be smart, throw with accuracy and have good timing. Quick feet can help them a lot, quick decisions mean a lot more.

Get them out of the pocket, let them threaten a D with escape-ability skills.

I’m not sold on either rookie, like everyone else here, but only time will tell.

Can't measure heart in terms of height. Mayfield is a pretty good example of that. Drew Breeze also comes to mind.

It's rare you find really good starting QB's in the 3rd round or lower. We took a shot with 2 guys and I hope it turns out well for at least one of them. Mel Kiper thought Sanders should have gone in the 1st round. Obviously, he was in the minority and time will tell who was right or wrong. Gabriel was drafted for what's between his ears according to what AB and KS have said and he does have a pretty good arm and is mobile. If he was 3-4 inches taller, he may have gone somewhere in the 1st round. I hope and pray one of the young guys works out and becomes a solid QB for us.

Some of Mel Kiper's worst predictions. and there's a lot more where these came from..........

10. “Johnny Manziel should be the number one pick” (2014)

9. “Jamarcus Russell has John Elway like ability” (2007)

8. “Mitch Trubisky is a better prospect than Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson” (2017)

7. “The Colts passing on Trent Dilfer for Marshall Faulk is why they pick 2nd in the draft every year” (1994)

6. “Connor Cook has more NFL ability than Kirk Cousins” (2016)

5. “Mike Williams is a future Hall of Famer” (2005)

4. “Ricky Stanzi will have a better career than Cam Newton and Andy Dalton” (2011)

3. “The Lions will regret passing on Brady Quinn for Calvin Johnson” (2007)

2. “Andre Wadsworth should be the number one pick over Peyton Manning and Charles Woodson” (1998)

1. “If Jimmy Clausen is not a successful quarterback in the NFL, I’m done” (2010)

https://sportswithx.com/the-top-10-biggest-draft-misses-from-mel-kiper-jr/

Don't get me wrong, NFL GM's get it wrong too. But if Kiper were that good he would be working in an NFL FO rather than be a media described "draft guru".

All 32 NFL GM's disagreed with Kiper's value on Sanders not just once, but four times. There's a reason for that. Sure you have the Tom Brady's of the world. Somebody no one saw coming. But the odds of a third or fifth round QB pick being the next Tom Brady is not only unlikely but borderline against happening by almost astronomical odds.

Hope is great and I think that's all reasonable Browns fans can have when it comes to these QB drat picks. Anything more than that is an unreasonable expectation.

Agreed. Mel Kiper serves a purpose but he's really not any better than most at picking players. Again, hope is all we have with Gabriel and Sanders.

I look at kiper as more of an information gatherer, than a true talent evaluator.

If the Browns have another 3-win season both Stefanski and Berry have to go. They should in no way earned the right to draft the future franchise QB. Drafting DTR and Gabriel prove that.

DTR was a late round pick, and Gabriel hasn't taken a single snap yet. They hardly prove anything.

I do agree that another 3 win season is unacceptable, though.

I don't care about a QB's height. If Peter Dinklage could get the job done, put him in.

Punting on a top 15 QB (now top 10)...pulling down their pants for Watson...saying Watson gave us 'the best chance to win' in camp last year...rolling with just Watson and DTR to start the season recently...are all better reasons to move on than drafting DTR and Gabriel. I have zero faith in these guys to get it 'right' with any QB not named Joe Flacco.

First he claimed it was a mistake not to re-sign Chubb before Chubb has played a down in 2025. Now it's the same BS with Gabriel. His ability to see into the future is AMAZING!

Now that is something I would love to watch.

The best QBs in the NFL are all over 6'1. A QB that can run can offset his lack of height
And produce yards in that fashion also . Gabriel is in trouble if he is contained
In the Pocket. He's too short to consistently thread the ball accurately through a serious
Coming up the middle .
The advantage he does have is being shorter his target point for pass
Rushers is smaller. He can duck and get under arms

That's why you wait until later in the draft to gamble on a shorter one. If you can end up with a long term, quality back-up QB with a third or fifth round pick that's a win. The best QB's with the perfect size and skill set are long gone by that time with very few exceptions you can point to. This was a crappy QB class. I'm glad they waited until the later rounds to take a shot at them.

It would be kind of scary. This little guy chucking the ball, running between defenders legs to avoid a sack.

Next best would be to hire him to dress up as Brownie, roaming the sidelines, firing up the crowd, but I suppose a few would call it insensitive and degrading so that probably wouldn't happen.

Hand size. Think hand size. In most cases I don't consider that a huge deal. This would be an exception to that.

That's definitely the best case scenario, I just don't see a high probability. Crazier things have happened, though.

I think some of the things that usually go with a 3-win season have to happen in order for Berry and KS to get canned. This past draft did not give the impression that those picking were on the hot seat.

I think they could get 3 wins and survive the season… I hope they do better than that but honestly feel like they’re protected this year….

Back to the thread…. I don’t like short QBs… they can work out but it’s rare…. I think we took a chance on two rookies and pray one works out…. But wouldn’t be surprised if we use our draft leverage to get a first round QB next year… thankfully with being late rounders, if the rookies this year don’t end up working out we didn’t give up much… honestly it’d be great if one ended up at least a back up….

The only problem i have is if we do that, we just wasted a 3rd and 5th round pick.

We have 4 QBs who we are gonna look at. Flacco will start the season, we will be 1-5 or whatever, then we'll turn to Gabriel or Sanders, and then probably flip flop again in a few weeks. Just hoping one of those two sticks, if not, we draft one in the 1st round next year

I think to call it wasted you would have to look at the success rate on 3rd rounders and certainly 5th rounders. 5th rounders are little more than a crap shoot no matter who you pick at that point.

Sure it was a gamble. That goes without saying. Yet so are all draft picks. But odds play heavily into just how much of a gamble it was.

Bone I agree with you on what we’ve done with the QB room. It needed a complete total overhaul and they’ve done that. An old vet who knows our system and has had success here, a young guy that has a chance to resurrect his career as we’ve seen others do recently and 2 draft picks they like. Our FO is taking every avenue to try and rectify the problem and even took a step towards the future with the trade they made if these QB’s don’t work out. I can’t see anything else they could have done better with the situation we were in. I think they’re doing their best to solve the issue.

No matter what, you gotta think Baker is laughing at Berry, our QB “situation” and oh, Haslam. .

It might pay, but in those positions we could have drafted players who might help.

I am not saying I disagree with making the selections, but with a QB it usually takes some time. If we don't give them the time, then they were wasted picks if the idea is to draft a QB in the 1st next year.

The idea was to hopefully not have to draft a QB next year. I get what you're saying. But at least as it applies Sanders, I think you might wish to look at the success rate of fifth round draft picks. It's not very good no matter what position you draft. And I would suggest if you find a QB in round 3 or 5, you drafted a player who might help. Even if they end up being a four year backup.

By no means does you draft position write your story, otherwise nobody would need to draft anyone after a certain point, but the odds of the story going against the trend dramatically dwindle as each round ticks off, for sure.

True that. We can't all draft the Mr. Irrelevant last and have a Cinderella Purdy outcome.

Why would I need to look at anything? I know that the odds against begin to stack up the deeper in the draft you go, especially after round 2.

Even more so when talking about a QB you hope becomes a good starter.

How many 5th round picks become starters? 3rd rounders is a bit higher percentage, but even still I wouldn’t;t think it’d be high…. I don’t mind mid round fliers on guys who could really pan out… and if one is a solid back up, that;s not a waste… that’s expected for a mid rounder

Don't you look for every draft pick to be a good starter? I mean isn't that the idea? Even though you know the odds go down round by round. The odds go down for that to happen at every position. Not just when you're looking for a QB.

In recent NFL history (roughly since 2010), several quarterbacks drafted after the third round have become solid starters or even franchise quarterbacks.

Brock Purdy: Drafted as "Mr. Irrelevant" (last pick of the draft) in the seventh round of the 2022 NFL Draft, according to NBC Los Angeles, he defied the odds to become the San Francisco 49ers' starting quarterback and an NFC Championship contender. He had a successful 2024 season, almost reaching 4,000 passing yards.
Kirk Cousins: Drafted in the fourth round of the 2012 NFL Draft, he's been a consistent starter for several teams and is considered a solid starter.
Dak Prescott: Drafted in the fourth round of the 2016 NFL Draft, Prescott has been the Dallas Cowboys' starting quarterback since his rookie season and is considered a solid starter. Despite a hamstring injury in 2024, when healthy, he is capable of passing for over 4,000 yards and at least 30 touchdowns, according to Yahoo Sports.

While these players show that success can be found in later rounds, it's important to remember that finding a franchise quarterback outside the early rounds is difficult. Only a small percentage (around 3%) of quarterbacks drafted on Day 3 (rounds 4-7) since 2010 have achieved "solid starter" status.

No, I want them to suck.

What the hell are you talking about.?

Really doesn't matter the height. As long as they can really play and win games, is all that matters!!