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Gabbard claims Obama officials ‘manufactured intelligence’ of 2016 Russian election interference

BY BRETT SAMUELS AND REBECCA BEITSCH 07/18/25 06:26 PM ET


Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard released a report Friday alleging Obama administration officials manipulated intelligence related to Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Gabbard asserted in a statement that former officials engaged in a “treasonous conspiracy” and said her office was turning over evidence to the Justice Department for possible criminal referrals.


“The information we are releasing today clearly shows there was a treasonous conspiracy in 2016 committed by officials at the highest level of our government,” Gabbard said. “Their goal was to subvert the will of the American people and enact what was essentially a years-long coup with the objective of trying to usurp the President from fulfilling the mandate bestowed upon him by the American people.”

Friday’s memo cites officials such as former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former CIA Director John Brennan and former FBI Director James Comey.

President Trump has for years claimed the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and whether his campaign colluded with Moscow was a “hoax,” targeting officials like Brennan and Comey with frequent attacks.



Trump in March signed a memo ordering the declassification of “all files related to Crossfire Hurricane,” the name given to the FBI’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.


The very intelligence agencies that Gabbard now oversees have long concluded that Russia sought to influence the 2016 election — an assessment that was backed by other outside entities.

That includes a three-year bipartisan Senate investigation that concluded in a more than 1,300 page report that Russia was aggressive in seeking to interfere with the election on Trump’s behalf, including by launching a massive social media campaign.


Gabbard’s memo, as well as another 114 pages of related documents, primarily rests on claims there was no indication of a Russian effort to directly manipulate the actual vote count.

However, that is not at odds with the conclusion of the intelligence community or the Senate report, which determined there was “no evidence that any votes were changed or that any voting machines were manipulated.” The Obama administration said it had seen no evidence that hackers tampered with the results.

Gabbard’s release was immediately panned by Intelligence Committee Democrats, who noted that it comes amid fractures within the Trump administration over how to handle scrutiny over the Jeffrey Epstein case.

“It’s a day that ends with ‘y’ and Donald Trump desperately wants to change the subject, so Director Gabbard is rehashing decade-old false claims about the Obama Administration. Few episodes in our nation’s history have been investigated as thoroughly as the Intelligence Community’s warning in 2016 that Russia was interfering in the election,” House Intelligence Committee ranking member Jim Himes (D-Conn.) said in a statement.

“Every legitimate investigation, including the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee investigation, found no evidence of politicization and endorsed the findings of the 2016 Intelligence Community Assessment.”

Sen. Mark Warner (Va.), the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, also criticized Gabbard.


“It seems DNI Gabbard is unaware that the years-long Russia investigation carried out by the Senate Intelligence Committee reaffirmed that ‘the Russian government directed extensive activity against U.S. election infrastructure’ ahead of the 2016 election, and that it ‘used social media to conduct an information warfare campaign’ in order to benefit Donald Trump. This conclusion was supported on a unanimous basis by every single Democrat and Republican on the committee,” he said in a statement.

Also Friday, the Justice Department moved to release some evidence from the Epstein case, including some grand jury testimony, under pressure to release more information about a figure Trump used to socialize with.

The move from Gabbard comes not only amid fallout from the Epstein saga but shortly after reports that she had fallen out of favor with Trump over intelligence related to Iran’s nuclear program.


Friday’s release underscores how probing the origins of the Russia investigation has remained a fixation for the president nearly a decade later. The memo also focuses on the Steele dossier, a collection of salacious allegations about Trump’s ties to Russia, some of which has been discredited.

Gabbard received praise from GOP figures for the report.

“DISMANTLING THE DEEP STATE!” Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) wrote on social platform X.


“The Russia hoax was a political hit job manufactured by Obama officials and weaponized by intel agencies to take down President Trump. Accountability is long overdue!”

However, in Democratic circles, Gabbard has been accused — in this instance as well as others — of tailoring intelligence to suit the needs of the administration.

Warner noted that Gabbard previously called on Trump to pardon leaker Edward Snowden, who released thousands of National Security Agency documents showing the bulk collection of Americans’ communications data.


“It is sadly not surprising that DNI Gabbard, who promised to depoliticize the intelligence community, is once again weaponizing her position to amplify the president’s election conspiracy theories,” Warner said.

“It is appalling to hear DNI Gabbard accuse her own IC workforce of committing a ‘treasonous conspiracy’ when she was unwilling to label Edward Snowden a traitor.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-officials-manipulated-intelligence/amp/



NEW EVIDENCE OF OBAMA ADMINISTRATION CONSPIRACY TO SUBVERT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S 2016 VICTORY AND PRESIDENCY

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
ODNI News Release No. 15-25
July 18, 2025



New Evidence of Obama Administration Conspiracy to Subvert President Trump’s 2016 Victory and Presidency

WASHINGTON, D.C. – On Friday, Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Tulsi Gabbard revealed overwhelming evidence that demonstrates how, after President Trump won the 2016 election against Hillary Clinton, President Obama and his national security cabinet members manufactured and politicized intelligence to lay the groundwork for what was essentially a years-long coup against President Trump.

In the months leading up to the November 2016 election, the Intelligence Community (IC) consistently assessed that Russia is “probably not trying … to influence the election by using cyber means.”
On December 7, 2016, after the election, talking points were prepared for DNI James Clapper stating, “Foreign adversaries did not use cyberattacks on election infrastructure to alter the US Presidential election outcome.”
On December 9, 2016, President Obama’s White House gathered top National Security Council Principals for a meeting that included James Clapper, John Brennan, Susan Rice, John Kerry, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe and others, to discuss Russia.
After the meeting, DNI Clapper’s Executive Assistant sent an email to IC leaders tasking them with creating a new IC assessment “per the President’s request” that details the “tools Moscow used and actions it took to influence the 2016 election.” It went on to say, “ODNI will lead this effort with participation from CIA, FBI, NSA, and DHS.”
Obama officials leaked false statements to media outlets, including The Washington Post, claiming, “Russia has attempted through cyber means to interfere in, if not actively influence, the outcome of an election.”
On January 6, 2017, a new Intelligence Community Assessment was released that directly contradicted the IC assessments that were made throughout the previous six months.
After months of investigation into this matter, the facts reveal this new assessment was based on information that was known by those involved to be manufactured i.e. the Steele Dossier or deemed as not credible. This was politicized intelligence that was used as the basis for countless smears seeking to delegitimize President Trump’s victory, the years-long Mueller investigation, two Congressional impeachments, high level officials being investigated, arrested, and thrown in jail, heightened US-Russia tensions, and more.

“The issue I am raising is not a partisan issue. It is one that concerns every American. The information we are releasing today clearly shows there was a treasonous conspiracy in 2016 committed by officials at the highest level of our government. Their goal was to subvert the will of the American people and enact what was essentially a years-long coup with the objective of trying to usurp the President from fulfilling the mandate bestowed upon him by the American people,” said DNI Tulsi Gabbard. “Their egregious abuse of power and blatant rejection of our Constitution threatens the very foundation and integrity of our democratic republic. No matter how powerful, every person involved in this conspiracy must be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, to ensure nothing like this ever happens again. The American people’s faith and trust in our democratic republic and therefore the future of our nation depends on it. As such, I am providing all documents to the Department of Justice to deliver the accountability that President Trump, his family, and the American people deserve.”

The files and a memo on today’s release are available on DNI.gov. DNI Gabbard will post updates on X (@DNIGabbard) and Truth Social (@DNlTulsiGabbard).


https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/press-releases-2025/4086-pr-15-25


Obama admin 'manufactured' intelligence to create 2016 Russian election interference narrative, documents show
'There was a treasonous conspiracy in 2016 committed by officials at the highest level of our government," Gabbard said
Brooke Singman By Brooke Singman Fox News
Published July 18, 2025 1:02pm EDT

EXCLUSIVE: The Obama administration "manufactured and politicized intelligence" to create the narrative that Russia was attempting to influence the 2016 presidential election, despite information from the intelligence community stating otherwise, Fox News Digital has learned.

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard Friday declassified documents revealing "overwhelming evidence" that demonstrates how, after President Donald Trump won the 2016 election against Hillary Clinton, then-President Barack Obama and his national security team laid the groundwork for what would be the yearslong Trump–Russia collusion probe.

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Documents revealed that in the months leading up to the November 2016 election, the intelligence community consistently assessed that Russia was "probably not trying…to influence the election by using cyber means."

Tulsi Gabbard testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee
Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard. (Bill Clark/CQ-Roll Call, Inc via Getty Images)
One instance was on Dec. 7, 2016, weeks after the election, then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper’s talking points stated: "Foreign adversaries did not use cyberattacks on election infrastructure to alter the U.S. presidential election outcome."

Fox News Digital obtained a declassified copy of the Presidential Daily Brief, which was prepared by the Department of Homeland Security, with reporting from the CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, FBI, National Security Agency, Department of Homeland Security, State Department and open sources, for Obama, dated Dec. 8, 2016.


"We assess that Russian and criminal actors did not impact recent US election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against election infrastructure," the Presidential Daily Brief stated. "Russian Government-affiliated actors most likely compromised an Illinois voter registration database and unsuccessfully attempted the same in other states."

President Barack Obama, center, with Attorney General Loretta Lynch, left, and FBI Director James Comey, right, sit during their meeting in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, Tuesday, July 19, 2016. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)
July 19, 2016: President Barack Obama, center, with Attorney General Loretta Lynch, left, and FBI Director James Comey, right, sit during their meeting in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington (Pablo Martinez Monsivais/The Associated Press)
But the brief stated that it was "highly unlikely" the effort "would have resulted in altering any state’s official vote result."

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"Criminal activity also failed to reach the scale and sophistication necessary to change election outcomes," it stated.

The brief noted that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence assessed that any Russian activities "probably were intended to cause psychological effects, such as undermining the credibility of the election process and candidates."

John Brennan
Former Director of U.S. National Intelligence James Clapper (right) listens to former CIA Director John Brennan (left). (Gary Cameron/Reuters)
The brief stated that cyber criminals "tried to steal data and to interrupt election processes by targeting election infrastructure, but these actions did not achieve a notable disruptive effect."


Fox News Digital obtained declassified, but redacted, communications from the FBI on the Presidential Daily Brief, stating that it "should not go forward until the FBI" had shared its "concerns."

Those communications revealed that the FBI drafted a "dissent" to the original Presidential Daily Brief.

The communications revealed that the brief was expected to be published Dec. 9, 2016, the following day, but later communications revealed that Office of the Director of National Intelligence, "based on some new guidance" decided to "push back publication" of the Presidential Daily Brief.


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"It will not run tomorrow and is not likely to run until next week," wrote the deputy director of the Presidential Daily Brief at Office of the Director of National Intelligence, whose name is redacted.

The following day, Dec. 9, 2016, a meeting convened in the White House Situation Room, with the subject line starting: "Summary of Conclusions for PC Meeting on a Sensitive Topic (REDACTED.)"

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The meeting included top officials in the National Security Council, Clapper, then-CIA Director John Brennan, then-National Security Advisor Susan Rice, then-Secretary of State John Kerry, then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch, then-Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, among others, to discuss Russia.


Then National Security Adviser Susan Rice in a March 21, 2014, file photo.
The declassified meeting record, obtained by Fox News Digital, revealed that principals "agreed to recommend sanctioning of certain members of the Russian military intelligence and foreign intelligence chains of command responsible for cyber operations as a response to cyber activity that attempted to influence or interfere with U.S. elections, if such activity meets the requirements" from an executive order that demanded the blocking of property belonging to people engaged in cyber activities.

After the meeting, according to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Clapper’s executive assistant emailed intelligence community leaders tasking them to create a new intelligence community assessment "per the president’s request," that detailed the "tools Moscow used and actions it took to influence the 2016 election."


"ODNI will lead this effort with participation from CIA, FBI, NSA, and DHS," the record states.

Then-AG Loretta Lynch, Sec of state John Kerry and President Barack Obama in Feb. 2016
Attorney General Loretta Lynch and Secretary of State John Kerry look on as U.S. President Barack Obama makes a statement after meeting with his National Security Council at the State Department, Feb. 25, 2016, in Washington. (Drew Angerer/Getty Images)
Later, Obama officials "leaked false statements to media outlets" claiming that "Russia has attempted through cyber means to interfere in, if not actively influence, the outcome of an election."

By Jan. 6, 2017, a new Intelligence Community Assessment was released that, according to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, "directly contradicted the IC assessments that were made throughout the previous six months."


Intelligence officials told Fox News Digital that the ICA was "politicized" because it "suppressed intelligence from before and after the election showing Russia lacked intent and capability to hack the 2016 election."

Officials also said it deceived the American public "by claiming the IC made no assessment on the ‘impact’ of Russian activities," when the intelligence community "did, in fact, assess for impact."

"The unpublished December PDB stated clearly that Russia ‘did not impact’ the election through cyber hacks on the election," an official told Fox News Digital.



Robert Mueller, former special counsel for the U.S. Department of Justice. (AP newsroom | Photographer: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg via Getty Images | Photo by Mike Cohen/Getty Images for The New York Times)
The official also said that the ICA assessed that "Russia was responsible for leaking data from the DNC and DCCC," but while "failing to mention that FBI and NSA previously expressed low confidence in this attribution."

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence officials told Fox News Digital Friday that they have been investigating the matter for months.

Officials told Fox News Digital that the new assessment "was based on information that was known by those involved to be manufactured i.e. the Steele Dossier or deemed as not credible."


Officials said that the intelligence was "politicized" and then "used as the basis for countless smears seeking to delegitimize President Trump’s victory, the years-long Mueller investigation, two Congressional impeachments, high level officials being investigated, arrested, and thrown in jail, heightened US-Russia tensions, and more."

From left, FBI Director James Comey, CIA Director John Brennan, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper sit together in the front row before President Barack Obama spoke about National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance, Friday, Jan. 17, 2014, at the Justice Department in Washington. The president called for ending the government's control of phone data from millions of Americans. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)
From left, FBI Director James Comey, CIA Director John Brennan, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper sit together in the front row before President Barack Obama spoke about National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance, Friday, Jan. 17, 2014, at the Justice Department in Washington. The president called for ending the government's control of phone data from millions of Americans. (Carolyn Kaster/The Associated Press )
Gabbard told Fox News Digital that this "is not a partisan issue," but one that "concerns every American."

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"The information we are releasing today clearly shows there was a treasonous conspiracy in 2016 committed by officials at the highest level of our government," Gabbard told Fox News Digital. "Their goal was to subvert the will of the American people and enact what was essentially a years-long coup with the objective of trying to usurp the President from fulfilling the mandate bestowed upon him by the American people."

Gabbard said the "egregious abuse of power and blatant rejection of our Constitution" by Obama-era officials "threatens the very foundation and integrity of our democratic republic."

WASHINGTON, DC - FEBRUARY 12: U.S. President Donald Trump, accompanied by Tulsi Gabbard and her husband Abraham Williams, holds up Gabbard's commission for her new role as Director of National Intelligence after she was sworn in, in the Oval Office at the White House on February 12, 2025 in Washington, DC. Gabbard, who will oversee the 18 intelligence agencies and serve as Trump's advisory on intelligence, was confirmed by the Senate 52-48. (Photo by Andrew Harnik/Getty Images)
WASHINGTON, DC - FEBRUARY 12: U.S. President Donald Trump, accompanied by Tulsi Gabbard and her husband Abraham Williams, holds up Gabbard's commission for her new role as Director of National Intelligence after she was sworn in, in the Oval Office at the White House on February 12, 2025 in Washington, DC. Gabbard, who will oversee the 18 intelligence agencies and serve as Trump's advisory on intelligence, was confirmed by the Senate 52-48. (Photo by Andrew Harnik/Getty Images) (Photo by Andrew Harnik/Getty Images)
"No matter how powerful, every person involved in this conspiracy must be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, to ensure nothing like this ever happens again," Gabbard said. "The American people’s faith and trust in our democratic republic and therefore the future of our nation depends on it."


Gabbard added: "As such, I am providing all documents to the Department of Justice to deliver the accountability that President Trump, his family, and the American people deserve."

CIA Director John Ratcliffe testifies
CIA Director John Ratcliffe, joined at center by Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, testifies as the Senate Intelligence Committee holds its worldwide threats hearing, on Capitol Hill in Washington, on Tuesday, March 25. (J. Scott Applewhite/The Associated Press )
Fox News Digital reached out to Obama, Clapper, Comey, Brennan, Rice, Lynch and McCabe for comment and did not receive a response.

The declassification of records and release by Gabbard and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence comes after Fox News Digital exclusively reported that former CIA Director Brennan and former FBI Director James Comey are under criminal investigation for activities related to the original Trump–Russia probe.


The criminal referral for Brennan came from CIA Director John Ratcliffe, after he declassified records revealing that Brennan did, in fact, push for the discredited anti-Trump dossier to be included in the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment, despite the CIA’s consensus that it was filled with "internet rumor."

That dossier ultimately served as the basis for the Trump–Russia probe inside the FBI and for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants against former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.

Kash Patel testifies
FBI Director Kash Patel declassified an FBI reporting document containing the allegations. (J. Scott Applewhite/The Associated Press)
Ratcliffe sent the criminal referral for Brennan to FBI Director Kash Patel, who then opened a criminal investigation into Brennan and into Comey.


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Reacting to the news of the investigation, Trump said he thinks "they’re very dishonest people."

"I think they're crooked as hell," Trump said. "And, maybe they have to pay a price for that."


Trump added: "I believe they are truly bad people and dishonest people. So whatever happens, happens."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ob...nterference-narrative-documents-show.amp

yea this has already been hashed thru....

On November 2, 2020, the day before the presidential election, New York magazine reported that:

According to two sources familiar with the probe, there has been no evidence found, after 18 months of investigation, to support Barr's claims that Trump was targeted by politically biased Obama officials to prevent his election. (The probe remains ongoing.) In fact, the sources said, the Durham investigation has so far uncovered no evidence of any wrongdoing by Biden or Barack Obama, or that they were even involved with the Russia investigation.[50]

As Durham was winding down his investigation in January 2023, The New York Times observed:

But after almost four years – far longer than the Russia investigation itself – Mr. Durham’s work is coming to an end without uncovering anything like the deep state plot alleged by Mr. Trump and suspected by Mr. Barr. Moreover, a monthslong review by The New York Times found that the main thrust of the Durham inquiry was marked by some of the very same flaws – including a strained justification for opening it and its role in fueling partisan conspiracy theories that would never be charged in court – that Trump allies claim characterized the Russia investigation.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham_special_counsel_investigation

and what about the SC ruling on presidential immunity?

At this point, I think it's just an attempt to distract from Epstein...

Oh, that happened before this new info was found! KIDDING

Most of the stuff is a distraction from stuff the administration is either doing or not doing. This administration has taken "Flood the Zone" to unprecidented levels - and there is only one reason to distract, deflect and flood the zone with excrement... And the Trumptards gobble it all up and ask for more with a big fat grin on their faces all the while not realizing exactly what complete patsies they are.

Anyone want to guess why there are so many parts of the Big Beautiful Bill that don't kick in until after the 2026 mid terms?? lmao.

Why didn't O Biden release the files?

Well...based on what has now been declassified it appears that Mr Durham's work was quite lacking. Interesting how Durham missed the part about career agents repeatedly saying that the basis of the Russia BS was not credible...missed that Comey used made-up intel to try and trap the elected President...missed that Obama's hands are all over this act.

I can hear it now...but...but...but... what about January 6th...aka Pelosi's Liberation Day.

BDS.

Why do Republicans say these things? According to Republicans it was because he was trying to cover for rich and powerful democrats. According to republicans democrats had a pedophile ring. According to republicans when trump took office they were going to blow the lid off of the entire thing and release the Epstein list. They were going to prove that Bill Clinton was involved. They were the people strutting around like a banty rooster claiming they already had all the answers and it would all be exposed.

Now the time has come and what happened? "It's sitting on my desk" one week. The next week, "There is no list." Trump even said he didn't want the support of many in his own party that insisted the files be released.

And all you got is "What about Biden?"

Come on man.

You mean the same Comey that announced the FBI was going to continue the Hillary Clinton investigation just a few days before the election that helped sway voters on the fence? You still can't see when you're being slopped like hogs in a pen.

The simple fact is that Trump and his minions stirred up the hornet's nest by saying they would release everything on Epstein.

Biden made no such promise.

Trump made that bed, now he has to lay in it.

And they have to release the investigative files, not the grand jury files.

That's just another bait and switch con game. Grand juries focus on the accused in question. It's only to show there's enough evidence to take a case to trial. They aren't going to have a list if names or nearly all of the facts presented at trial. He's hoping he can fool them with this.

If the Dems had any evidence of Trump wrongdoing in Epstein files, they would have sacrificed whoever to get Trump. The fact they did not release any files shows there was no real Trump evidence. I am confident of that.

The dems just cling to anything.

My feeling is they better cling to the voters leaving the sensible dem party to join the socialist/communist wing.

The Democratic party is fracturing before our very eyes.

It isn't the Democrats that have been been screaming for it to be released. It isn't the Democrats who came up with the conspiracy that democrats are pedophiles and the proof is Epstein's list. It wasn't the Biden administration who said the list was on their desk only to claim there was no list days later.

And these aren't democrats.................

Trump can't stop MAGA from obsessing about the Epstein files

MAGA-friendly media has been torn over how to respond to a base that wants more on the Epstein files and a president who wants it to move on.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-maga-jeffrey-epstein-files-rcna219073

You refuse to take responsibility for anything anymore and look for anybody but your own kind to blame. And you are still fooling yourself that a communist and a socialist are the same thing. Much less open your mind up to understanding what a democratic socialist is. I'm glad we're at the age where our generation will no longer control this nation. Too many of our generation have refused to learn and grow with age. People such as you keep wanting to feed a system that has proven to fail and gotten us to where we are now. It's time that smarter people with new ideas take over. No matter what you say they can't screw things up any worse than our generation has.

Wow!!!! I don't want freedom I want to be enslaved! I want a government to control me. I never thought I would ever hear Americans say these kinds of things. Really sad! Men and Women died for freedoms in this country and the lazy want to just give it away.

So what does it say when the very people who promised to release the list refuses to release it? The people that told you "It's on my desk" and then a few days later told you "There is no list"? What does it say when a man says to his own voters that if they still demanded the Epstein files be released they are no longer his supporters? Some of you need to put a mirror on your Christmas list.

Your answer? "Yeah but the Democrats."

I am disappointed because I do believe he is trying to protect some people that should not be protected.

What they didn't fight and die for is a king to defy the Constitution by using a pen. Nobody said anything you just stated. We have watched this country be ruled by a powerful few and money. That isn't the freedom you claim it is. That's Freedumb. Keep making BS up to make you feel better. Like I said, you are what it looks like when people are stuck in the mind and refuse to find out what democratic socialism is. You have helped screw this country up to a point that a change you despise is coming. And it was you in part who will have made it happen.

How do you consider a man in charge who consistently punishes and attacks law firms, the media (You remember freedom of the press don't you?) universities and anyone else who challenges him "Freedom"? I don't think you even know what the word means anymore.

Then air your freaking disappointment up your own chain for crying out loud. Call your Republican senators, reps, etc and air your grievances.

A good amount of our political problems would be addressed if we were more like this, to a fever pitch level.

We have to stop treating politics like sports teams. We have to be tireless in holding our politicians accountable regardless of party.

None of them should ever feel comfortable in their seat.

You can put lip stick on a pig all you want but democratic socialism is nothing more than a dressed-up way to say Communism. No thanks. I am not jealous of those more successful than me. That is what is great about capitalism. You get out of it what you put into it. Work hard, play by the rules and good things will happen. You get out of it what you earn. Putting your hands out and asking for handouts is not the American way.

Oh, memories.

And you are using lipstick to redefine words you refuse to understand or look into the difference of. Democratic socialism is not pure socialism and communism isn't socialism. A quick look at the definition of those words could easily clear up your confusion. You can stop blaming me and or the left for that any time now.


Are you saying trump "played by the rules" to gain all of his wealth? So I actually need to post facts showing you that's not true? Do you think having a multi billionaire like Musk being able to spend over 250 million dollars to help influence an election a rule you support? Why are you confusing the word jealousy with wanting billionaires to actually pay the same tax rate as the average American?

All of your ridiculous rants are so precious.

The United States of America is a Democratic Republic and should always stay a Democratic Republic. It is not a democracy even though it uses democracy principles, but it certainly is not socialist. With check and balances designed to make change slowly. socialism of any kind should be rejected and seen as a form of treason. This country principle of capitalism is the fairest system the world has ever seen. It is not perfect, but it is the best system. People are free to achieve whatever they want to achieve. You can take your hand outs I don't want them.

That's a good question. If he and Obama and Comey concocted these files to harm Trump, why didn't they release them?

That's a good question. If he and Obama and Comey concocted these files to harm Trump, why didn't they release them?

The United States will be what future voters decide it should be. Seemingly unbeknownst to you that's what decides how the country runs. The voters decide. You claim Social Security is treason? You claim Medicaid and Medicare is treason? Minimum wage is treason? So any changes other than totally unbridled capitalism is treason? Anything you disagree with or are against is treason? That is what dictators say. Nobody wants to "wipe out" capitalism. This is what people such as yourself who have no clue what democratic socialism is say because you refuse to inform yourselves.

There can be no true "capitalist system". That's been proven over and over again. Any system of government can be abused and it has been. That's why we have safety regulations. That's why workers compensation came about. That's why business had to be regulated. That's why we have child labor laws. That is why we have minimum wage and Social security came about. The list is virtually endless of the many ways capitalism has been abused in the past. Keeping capitalism in check is needed and has had to come about over the abuse of it. We have been taught the need and for almost a century now lived in a society where capitalism has been mixed with socialism. You can't promote capitalism and the wealthy only to ignore the people. There has to be a balance.

You call that treason. But then of course you would. Do you actually even engage your brain before you post? Socialism has been a fabric within our society for almost a century now. Did you not understand that? And pure capitalism is the very reason that happened in the first place.

Everywhere socialism has existed it has not worked. It is a system that empowers the few and makes peasants out of the many. No thanks I do just fine working for myself. Go get your hand outs I don't want them.

My hands aren't out. It's just that I'm a human being that cares about people other than myself and understand the abuses that unbridled capitalism has caused that socialism has helped stop and prevent.

As per usual you ignore the entire content of my post only to come back with more mindless nonsense. I've told you that nobody is trying to do away with capitalism and replace it with socialism.

But you aren't interest in anything that resembles a discussion. You just want to repeat lame GOP talking points instead.

It could've just as easily been that there was incriminating evidence in there against them... and releasing would hurt them just as much as Trump.


I may only speak for myself, but Trump and his corner had been stoking this conspiracy theory throughout the campaign... but now want to hand-waive it away now that he's in office. Like someone said above, he made this bed and now he gets to lay in it.

If the Democrats had the goods on Trump they would have sacrificed their own Mother's to get him exposed. I believe there are names on that list that will take down people on both sides. I don't care if you were a contributor of child sex trafficking you should not be protected you should go down.

I agree. Many haven't grown with age. We just disagree on who has grown and who hasn't.

Oh....USSR...united soviet socialist republic....commie any way you cut it.

If you insist on a differentiation, Socialists are adolescent Commies.

The entire EU bloc is well to the left of the U.S. politically — and many EU nations are WAY WAY left of the Democratic Party. Yet none of those countries are 'socialist,' and many rank among the highest in quality of life, education, and healthcare.

But I get it—those are nuances that might be hard to grasp if your only news diet is Fox/Breitbart talking points. When you’re spoon-fed propaganda, critical thinking tends to take a backseat.

I would again caution utilizing a country’s name as emblematic of the style of government they run.

For example, I think we can all agree that the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is anything but that.

I do think there is a lot of reactionary fear basis in the boomer generation revolved around the notion of communism because of the red scare and whatnot, with decades of reinforcement and the likes of Joe McCarthy. But that does not mean everything that happens here that may be a move tk the left should automatically trigger that same 1960’s fear of communism dawning.

Day mentioned earlier that socialism doesn’t work. I would argue that any form of government can work or fail depending on how extreme that government operates and how quickly or effectively that government can address inevitable pitfalls.

For example, the socialistic setup of Venezuela is ineffective. However, late 18th Century France (which many could compare economically to our current situation) was also a failure. Same with 1917 Russia. The Venezuela model vs the latter two forms of government are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum.

Even in our own history, when it comes to things like not needing handouts or the need to lower taxes and preserve the wealthy, that can be driven to extremes. I don’t think any of us would look in our history books and consider the Gilded era to be a prime representation of what we should all build towards. We came into our economic prowess under the New Deal President, his successor, and then a Republican whose tax rates would be considered “communist” in the modern era.

If you ask me, the biggest problem we run into now, is we have too many on both ends of the economic spectrum who are doing the opposite of what Kennedy mandated and asking “What the country can do for them” vs the vice versa.

And that actually brings up another point. Why are handouts viewed so myopically as poor individuals seeking them vs large corporations? Take a look at the handouts given to oil, gas, pharmaceuticals and defense. If your argument is that it’s to stimulate the economy, I would ask that you look again at 1) objective, decades-long data behind the effectiveness of “trickle down” and 2) the rates at which the mega corporations receiving handouts have repurchased their own stock since receiving those benefits, vs handing out jobs, building new locations, growing, etc.

A tax break is not a handout. It is keeping more of the money earned. A handout is receiving money not earned!!! Let corporations keep more of the money they earned, and they will in turn invest more, hire more people, give employees raises, etc.... That does not work for the left because they want people to stay home, smoke weed, and receive free healthcare, education, and checks for doing nothing. That is the difference.

How many posters here that are "on the left" in your mind, " stay home, smoke weed, and receive free healthcare, education, and checks for doing nothing"? I see you wish to ignore trailer parks in the south who vote for trump. Meth heads in Florida who vote for trump. As many of those people vote your way as the other way in those areas. You just refuse to admit it and own it.

And allow me to give you a basic explanation of how the economy works. Not some in depth look but one a child of three can understand.

Corporations and all businesses are in business to make money. There's nothing wrong with that. Who would work for free? As such that don't build products and hire people just because they have more money. They don't invest money when the demand for their products isn't there. Letting them "keep more of their money" has nothing to do with them investing more or hiring more people or giving their employees raises. Many corporations make billions upon billions of dollars. If they wanted to pay their employees more they could easily do that now.

For someone who promotes pure capitalism so much you seem to have no clue how it works. It's based off of supply and demand. When unemployment is high and there is a plentiful workforce available the advantage goes to the employer. They have no need to raise wages. When unemployment is low and they have trouble finding workers they raise wages to attract employees because they are competing against other employers for the available workforce. "Supply and demand".

Corporations build products people purchase from them. In order to maximize profits they attempt to use as few employees as possible to produce those products. Why would any company or corporation pay employees they don't need to run their business? They pay those employees what the going rate is. They don't just give them raises because someone gives them a tax break.

A company or corporation doesn't just expand or build more products unless there is a demand for those products. That doesn't happen by putting money in their hands. That only happens by putting that money in the hands of the people who purchase those products.

This had been proven time and time again. But still we see people post nonsense like you did.

I agree. You still spout the same nonsense you did 20 or 30 years ago.


And there you have it. You think just because someone places a label on something that's what it is. As has already been explained to you, according to your standards most every nation in Europe would be communist countries. I mean they have that dreadful national healthcare and more regulations to protect their people. But hey, they don't "call themselves communists" so that can't be. They're more on the side that blend socialism with democracy. England, Spain and France are just like Russia because they mix socialism with democracy in your world. After all according to you they're all the same thing.

I disagree Kennedy in the 1960's created a good economy by lower taxes. Reagan turned the Country around using that same principle. Trump had the economy rolling before Fauci and friends pulled their crap and shut the economy down. So, it has worked time and time again.

Faucci had no power to "shut the country down". Those decisions were made by politicians. And not just democrats. How does your brain create these stories in your mind?

Stop deflecting you stated that "Let corporations keep more of the money they earned, and they will in turn invest more, hire more people, give employees raises,"

I debunked every word of that nonsense. It's certainly true that if you target major tax cuts by putting that money in the hands of consumers that need things, appliances, cars and goods, they will in turn purchase those products. That creates the demand for those products. Then and only then does business need to expand and hire more employees to meet that demand.

What we see now is the bulk of tax cuts going to major corporations and the wealthy and a much smaller percentage getting in the hands of consumers. That in no way stimulates the economy.

A bunch of one line BS doesn't change any of that. Your entire "Let corporations keep more of the money they earned, and they will in turn invest more, hire more people, give employees raises," has been proven to be nothing but nonsense. Now deflect away from that some more. You have no intent on having anything close to a meaningful discussion.