DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus DOJ, FBI conclude Jeffrey Epstein had no "client list," committed suicide

My guess is there’s a lot of people implicated who pull a lot of strings and/or have a lot of power. Only speculation though.

I would say that's 100% accurate.

Very well could be. Sex draws a lot of interest, no matter what the politics.

Sometimes I think it best we just don't know. I don't like to say that, but I said it because I think it so.

I'm sure the victims appreciate you blinders.

I understand why you say this, but I respectfully disagree.

If we don't have transparency (or even the hope of transparency), we've lost everything that forms the basis of this 250 year-old experiment.
Citizens of good conscience can only make 'informed consent' of their vote, if they have good information regarding the folks who seek to garner their vote.

If they are kept from the details of something like this, how do they have any chance of knowing who should get their vote?

I disagree with you on a fundamental level with this one, 'Peen.

America NEEDS to know the names of those people on that list, no matter how uncomfortable it may be for anyone supporting any particular "side"...
...because now, more than ever, daylight is the disinfectant most necessary to fix the rot we all see before us.

I cannot believe that of all people, You would advocate for "turning a blind eye."

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We don't just need to know.
We deserve to know.

Our vote is a trust- a contract between those who vote, and those who are voted into office. They all take an oath with their hands upon bibles before God and Country. If they cheapen their integrity, We The People deserve to know.

It's the only chance we voters have of making better decisions about them, going forward.

Total transparency. No matter who gets caught.
Anything less is an open door to political corruption of a scale that will destroy what this country is supposed to represent.
Destroy that, and you no longer have a country.

I demand sunlight upon anyone/everyone.
No exceptions.
None.


.02,
clem.

I should say it goes beyond just speculation, too. If you read the various depositions and whatnot that have been made into public record, there are a lot of blatant references made to people, like Prince Andrew, one prime minister who I forget, Dershowitz, and a few others who maintain(ed) power. I was skeptical of the whole thing being conspiratorial myself until actually reading through some of it.

I don't know if you have kids, specifically girls, but what if it were your daughter? I can't speak for anyone else, but if it were my kid, there isn't a brick wall high enough or thick enough to keep me from getting to whoever hurt them!

I'd wholeheartedly agree with you if we were talking about nuclear secrets, or geopolitical backroom drama and the like.

This is long-term/systemic illegal and abhorrent behavior done by people that then use our government as a shield against accountability. The ballet box is the few places where many of these people can be held to account.

I do and I understand.

What if there isn't a "list"? Discretion is a part of the process. The list may be in peoples heads. Even if there is a "list" what's to say it isn't some made up list? Maybe your name is on that list, my name. I know I didn't go there but don't know about you...just saying as an example. I am pretty comfortable in saying you aren't on the list.

Even if there is a flight manifest with various names, that doesn't mean you did anything illegal while there. I am sure Epstein just took people there to enjoy a private paradise island that didn't have naked women available behind each door.

I don't like the guy any more than you do. One has to be careful when pointing fingers. You probably remember the name Fatty Arbuckle. He was a silent movie star back in the early 20th century. He was accused of raping and murdering some young starlet. I don't remember her name. Virginia something.

He was acquitted of all charges but public opinion had already thrown away the key on that guy. He never recovered.

It could very well be that there is no list. That's what I used to think, and it still may be true. What is so odd about all of this - and the reason why so many people are starting to pay attention to it - is that Trump campaigned on the list. Pam Bondi at one point referred to the list being on her desk, and then they had that big, marketed reveal that...wasn't. There was so much spectacle about it. Then all of sudden, like on a dime, POTUS goes for a huge 180 against his base saying "Why does everyone care about the list?" to "Obama and Biden made up the list" to other damning comments. It's really that abrupt 180 that raised a lot of eyebrows. Hell, even Alex Jones was in literal tears about it.

What you highlight is enough to raise questions.

The Ghislaine Maxwell interview and move to low security prison stinks and is flat wrong.

If there is no list. There is tons of seized evidence and they can compile a list and seek justice. Maybe the "list" was just a catch phrase to get elected. Maybe we should stop worrying about a "list" and just seek justice from evidence.

I think I’m culpable when I say “list.” It’s easier to refer to that vs saying all the people tied into nefarious acts via all the evidence.

I look back nearly 100 years to the time of the “Untouchables.” Man, we really need an echo of that. Instead of it being mobsters and bootleggers this time, it’s wealthy elites and politicians…in droves.

Biden chose to keep the Pandora’s Box closed and the conspiracy theorists went crazy.

Trump can’t resist a good conspiracy theory, and made it an election promise.

Trump opens Pandora’s Box and finds a mirror.

You can’t close Pandora’s Box, only live with the consequences.

I think the absolute best case scenario in all of this for the Trump campaign is that they told a bold faced lie about the list existing. They campaigned on it and then said it was on Bondi’s desk and made a spectacle about releasing the binders. If that’s not the case, then either there is a list and Trump is not on it, and he’s covering up for someone else. Or, worst case scenario for him, he’s on the list and he’s implicated.

I don’t see there being any other option.

There is no "list" there is evidence. trump probably is not implicated. It is about a campaign promise that riled up his base big time. They are not going to let it go and they shouldn't. When will this be about the victims? That should be the driving force.

Bondi said that it was on her desk. Then when it blew up, as it always does with this administration, She didn't have it on her desk...

Which is true?

I use list and evidence interchangeably now because it’s been made out to be that way.