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My guess is there’s a lot of people implicated who pull a lot of strings and/or have a lot of power. Only speculation though.

I would say that's 100% accurate.

Very well could be. Sex draws a lot of interest, no matter what the politics.

Sometimes I think it best we just don't know. I don't like to say that, but I said it because I think it so.

I'm sure the victims appreciate you blinders.

I understand why you say this, but I respectfully disagree.

If we don't have transparency (or even the hope of transparency), we've lost everything that forms the basis of this 250 year-old experiment.
Citizens of good conscience can only make 'informed consent' of their vote, if they have good information regarding the folks who seek to garner their vote.

If they are kept from the details of something like this, how do they have any chance of knowing who should get their vote?

I disagree with you on a fundamental level with this one, 'Peen.

America NEEDS to know the names of those people on that list, no matter how uncomfortable it may be for anyone supporting any particular "side"...
...because now, more than ever, daylight is the disinfectant most necessary to fix the rot we all see before us.

I cannot believe that of all people, You would advocate for "turning a blind eye."

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We don't just need to know.
We deserve to know.

Our vote is a trust- a contract between those who vote, and those who are voted into office. They all take an oath with their hands upon bibles before God and Country. If they cheapen their integrity, We The People deserve to know.

It's the only chance we voters have of making better decisions about them, going forward.

Total transparency. No matter who gets caught.
Anything less is an open door to political corruption of a scale that will destroy what this country is supposed to represent.
Destroy that, and you no longer have a country.

I demand sunlight upon anyone/everyone.
No exceptions.
None.


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clem.

I should say it goes beyond just speculation, too. If you read the various depositions and whatnot that have been made into public record, there are a lot of blatant references made to people, like Prince Andrew, one prime minister who I forget, Dershowitz, and a few others who maintain(ed) power. I was skeptical of the whole thing being conspiratorial myself until actually reading through some of it.

I don't know if you have kids, specifically girls, but what if it were your daughter? I can't speak for anyone else, but if it were my kid, there isn't a brick wall high enough or thick enough to keep me from getting to whoever hurt them!

I'd wholeheartedly agree with you if we were talking about nuclear secrets, or geopolitical backroom drama and the like.

This is long-term/systemic illegal and abhorrent behavior done by people that then use our government as a shield against accountability. The ballet box is the few places where many of these people can be held to account.

I do and I understand.

What if there isn't a "list"? Discretion is a part of the process. The list may be in peoples heads. Even if there is a "list" what's to say it isn't some made up list? Maybe your name is on that list, my name. I know I didn't go there but don't know about you...just saying as an example. I am pretty comfortable in saying you aren't on the list.

Even if there is a flight manifest with various names, that doesn't mean you did anything illegal while there. I am sure Epstein just took people there to enjoy a private paradise island that didn't have naked women available behind each door.

I don't like the guy any more than you do. One has to be careful when pointing fingers. You probably remember the name Fatty Arbuckle. He was a silent movie star back in the early 20th century. He was accused of raping and murdering some young starlet. I don't remember her name. Virginia something.

He was acquitted of all charges but public opinion had already thrown away the key on that guy. He never recovered.

It could very well be that there is no list. That's what I used to think, and it still may be true. What is so odd about all of this - and the reason why so many people are starting to pay attention to it - is that Trump campaigned on the list. Pam Bondi at one point referred to the list being on her desk, and then they had that big, marketed reveal that...wasn't. There was so much spectacle about it. Then all of sudden, like on a dime, POTUS goes for a huge 180 against his base saying "Why does everyone care about the list?" to "Obama and Biden made up the list" to other damning comments. It's really that abrupt 180 that raised a lot of eyebrows. Hell, even Alex Jones was in literal tears about it.

What you highlight is enough to raise questions.

The Ghislaine Maxwell interview and move to low security prison stinks and is flat wrong.

If there is no list. There is tons of seized evidence and they can compile a list and seek justice. Maybe the "list" was just a catch phrase to get elected. Maybe we should stop worrying about a "list" and just seek justice from evidence.

I think I’m culpable when I say “list.” It’s easier to refer to that vs saying all the people tied into nefarious acts via all the evidence.

I look back nearly 100 years to the time of the “Untouchables.” Man, we really need an echo of that. Instead of it being mobsters and bootleggers this time, it’s wealthy elites and politicians…in droves.

Biden chose to keep the Pandora’s Box closed and the conspiracy theorists went crazy.

Trump can’t resist a good conspiracy theory, and made it an election promise.

Trump opens Pandora’s Box and finds a mirror.

You can’t close Pandora’s Box, only live with the consequences.

I think the absolute best case scenario in all of this for the Trump campaign is that they told a bold faced lie about the list existing. They campaigned on it and then said it was on Bondi’s desk and made a spectacle about releasing the binders. If that’s not the case, then either there is a list and Trump is not on it, and he’s covering up for someone else. Or, worst case scenario for him, he’s on the list and he’s implicated.

I don’t see there being any other option.

There is no "list" there is evidence. trump probably is not implicated. It is about a campaign promise that riled up his base big time. They are not going to let it go and they shouldn't. When will this be about the victims? That should be the driving force.

Bondi said that it was on her desk. Then when it blew up, as it always does with this administration, She didn't have it on her desk...

Which is true?

I use list and evidence interchangeably now because it’s been made out to be that way.

Things from Grok

What was released is so heavily redacted that you don’t know what is in it. The full files without redactions needs to be released.

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Congress releases first batch of Epstein files, many of which were already public

The Republican-led House Oversight Committee released more than 33,000 pages of files related to Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted sex offender.

The House committee investigating Jeffrey Epstein released a batch of files Tuesday related to the late convicted sex offender amid pressure for the Trump administration to release more information about his case.

The documents stem from a subpoena House Oversight Committee chair James Comer, R-Ky., issued last month to the Justice Department. The committee released 33,295 pages of records Tuesday, which it has referred to as a first batch of documents from the Justice Department.

The content of all the records was not immediately clear, but many files had already been made public through court filings and other releases.

The committee is investigating the Epstein case weeks after President Donald Trump and his administration faced outrage from both supporters and opponents for saying they would not release more files related to Epstein, even though Trump ran on a promise of more transparency.

Many of the documents being released Tuesday night are public filings in the criminal cases involving Epstein co-conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell. The documents include the types of records that have been released through the federal courts that oversaw related cases and were reported on at the time.

Examples of the previously released files include video and audio of Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche's interview with Maxwell, video from inside Epstein’s home in West Palm Beach, Florida, after Palm Beach police executed a search warrant, video from inside the jailhouse where Epstein died by suicide in 2019 and audio taken by Palm Beach police pertaining to their initial investigation into Epstein.

Rep. Robert Garcia of California, the top Democrat on the committee, said the “overwhelming” number of pages the committee released Tuesday were already public.

“To distract from their continued White House cover-up, the DOJ released the interview between Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche and sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell. Maxwell is desperately seeking a pardon from the Trump Administration and cannot be trusted,” Garcia said.

“DOJ’s limited disclosure raises more questions than answers and makes clear that the White House is not interested in justice for the victims or the truth," Garcia added. "Democrats forced a bipartisan vote to subpoena the Epstein files in their entirety, and the Administration must comply. There is no excuse for incomplete disclosures. Survivors and the American public deserve the truth."

Garcia said that only 3% of the files released were new and that 97% were already public. A spokesperson for the Republican-led committee defended the release in response.

“The Trump DOJ is in compliance with the Committee’s subpoena and is providing documents on a rolling basis,” the spokesperson said in a statement.

In a separate statement, Garcia said the only new disclosure in the trove was less than 1,000 pages from Customs and Border Protection detailing flight logs of Epstein’s plane and forms for re-entry into the United States.

The documents show that male and female passengers were on the flights. But pursuant to Justice Department policy, the only person named in the customs records is Epstein himself; passengers’ names were redacted.

Other Democrats on the committee slammed Tuesday's release as not transparent enough. Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., said it as only a drop in the bucket of all the files.

Khanna has been working with Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., on what is known as a discharge petition to force a vote on legislation that would require the Justice Department to release all of the Epstein files, despite opposition from House GOP leadership.

Khanna called Tuesday’s release a “distraction of a document dump” that he said “will only draw more attention” to the news conference he and Massie will host Wednesday morning with some of Epstein’s victims.

Massie said Tuesday's release of records "doesn't change a thing" for the discharge petition, adding that "eventually people are going to pore through those documents and find out there's nothing new in there."

He also asserted that the White House is trying to stop the bill because they don’t want everything released, and accused House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., of helping to “cover up a sex trafficking ring.”

“There are things that the White House doesn’t want out there that my legislation would cause to be released,” Massie said.

A spokesperson for Johnson did not immediately respond to a request for comment Tuesday night. Speaking to reporters earlier in the day about Massie’s discharge petition, Johnson said: “I would describe virtually everything Thomas Massie says related to this issue as meaningless.”

In an interview with MSNBC on Tuesday night, Massie said he did not think Trump had done anything illegal, but said perhaps friends of his might be implicated.

“I think the best way to clear President Trump’s name is to release all the files. I actually don’t think he’s done anything criminal. I think he may be covering for some rich and powerful people that are friends of his,” Massie said. “We’ve got to get it out in the open, regardless of whose friends might be incriminated.”

In response to Massie’s comments, a White House official told NBC News in an email: “Helping Thomas Massie and Liberal Democrats with their attention-seeking, while the DOJ is fully supporting a more comprehensive file release effort from the Oversight Committee, would be viewed as a very hostile act to the administration.”

Massie and Trump have clashed before, with the Kentucky Republican seeking to win over MAGA allies by pushing for more transparency with the Epstein files after he isolated himself by opposing Trump’s “Big, Beautiful Bill” earlier this year. Trump’s allies later launched a super PAC to unseat Massie, who has served in the House since 2012.

Other examples of the contents of Tuesday’s release include transcripts of certain parts of hearings in the Epstein criminal case. Hundreds of files are individual pages of other reports, including a Justice Department Office of Professional Responsibility investigation into the nonprosecution agreement Epstein reached in 2008 with the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Florida, which was then headed by Alex Acosta, who later was Trump’s labor secretary in his first term.

Acosta is scheduled to appear voluntarily before the Oversight Committee this month after victims raised concerns about why he was not included in an earlier batch of subpoenas to people like former President Bill Clinton, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and former Attorney General Merrick Garland.

GOP leaders are trying to stave off an internal party revolt as Khanna and Massie attempt to force a floor vote on their bipartisan bill to release all the Epstein files immediately.

A House Republican co-sponsor of that bill told NBC News that they communicated to both the White House and Comer that they wanted the panel to publicly release the batch of files the Justice Department handed over as soon as possible, or else they may feel compelled to back Massie and Khanna’s bill.

The member said Tuesday that the message to the White House and Comer was essentially: “Don’t put me in a corner.”

A GOP leadership source told NBC News that leaders have been going all out to quash the discharge petition. That includes adding a resolution to the floor schedule this week to express support for the Oversight Committee’s Epstein probe.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...t-batch-jeffrey-epstein-files-rcna228687

The "full files" haven't been close to being released.

In the Washington sunshine, victims describe the 'disturbing world' of Jeffrey Epstein

Today, some of Jeffrey Epstein’s victims spoke about the years of abuse they suffered - and what they hope happens next.

At an emotional, two-hour news conference in the Washington DC sunshine, some described a "disturbing world" in which they were duped into jobs as teenage masseurs and then abused.

Another, Haley Robson, said she was forced to recruit more teenage girls from school - and was paid for every one she found.

Epstein had a framed photo of himself and Donald Trump on his desk and he bragged about the two men's friendship, it was revealed. But - speaking at the same time in the White House - Trump characterised the push to release more information about the Epstein case as a "Democrat hoax" (see below).

Survivors said Epstein was protected. But now, they are creating "their own list" of his associates - and Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene said she would read it in Congress, if asked.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cpwywe5ee84t

As Blondie used to sing....... One Way Or Another

I just want to remind everyone that Massie is a Republican.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

-DL05

Survivors begged trump for compassion. Trump said they dont exist. Does that make America great? And trump vowed to take down Massie

Yes, what Massie is doing is a “hostile action”. Pretty much says it all.

Also, one of the survivors linked trump to Epstein today. Said Epstein even had a photo of trump on his desk.

And the victims said they are compiling their own list of abusers. Hopefully they are quick.

All these woman were abused by rich men, and the only person in jail is a woman.

Probably fairly normal if you had a picture of the guy who went on to become President of the USA. I have pictures on my desk right now with 3 Presidents, two were ex-Presidents, one being President Carter. I never voted for the man and though he was a pretty bad President, but thought he was a most excellent ex-President. The best in my lifetime. It was an honor standing shoulder to shoulder with him and his wife.

President Carter taught Sunday school at his church in Plains, Georgia 20 or so weeks a year for many years. My wife and I drove the 300 miles or so on Saturday to attend his lesson. The trip to Plains was way better than expected, very educational, and the President was outstanding with his Sunday School message.

A funny aside, it was maybe late July, early August. I was wearing a suit, and it was a typical South Georgia summer day with very high humidity and might have been 95 degrees by noon, but I can handle that, I have lived in the South for 55 years or so, but the Nats, there must have been 100 per sq foot, it was terrible. You couldn't hardly breath without sucking them in.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...-hoax-as-survivors-demand-accountability


Not sure what Trump is doing. He's saying this whole Epstein thing is a Democrat Hoax? How is that even possible. Epstein was arrested in 2019! Trump was President.

How does that make it a Democrat thing.

Acosta did a plea deal with Epstein in 2008, Before Obama was sworn in... Bush was President!

Going further, is he saying that the victims from yesterdays presser were lying?

Someone please take a minute and tell me what the hell he's talking about? While your at it, please tell me how this is directly related to a possible Democratic Hoax?


I listened to some of those women yesterday... Couldn't listen long, couldn't take it. It's disgusting what they had to say about what happened to him. The level of Harassment that they endured from many wealthy and powerful people is just insane.

Why did the DOJ not protect these women. (by the way, this falls on Bidens DOJ as well IMO)

Someone, anyone, explain it to me!

One of these women needs to say "mr trump we are not an fn hoax"

Trump never taught Sunday school. I've also never seen him helping build homes with Habitat For Humanity.

Just stop Peen. It is well known these two were friends and hung out together. That doesn't make trump guilty of anything but it's not as if this was just some random, one time meeting with a photo op. Certainly you know what you posted isn't a legitimate comparison.....................................

Exclusive: Newly discovered photos and video shed fresh light on Trump’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/22/politics/kfile-trump-epstein-photos-footage

trump is guilty of not addressing the victims. That in itself is disgusting.

Donald Trump Says It's 'Time To End Epstein Hoax'

Trump's Truth Social post;

The confused and badly failing Democrat Party did nothing about Jeffrey Epstein while he was alive except befriend him, socialize with him, travel to his Island, and take his money! They knew everything there was to know about Epstein, but now, years after his death, they, out of nowhere, are seeming to show such love and heartfelt concern for his victims. Does anybody really believe that? Where were they during his very public trials, and for all of those years before his death? The answer is, “nowhere to be found.” The now dying (after the DOJ gave thousands of pages of documents in full compliance with a very comprehensive and exacting Subpoena from Congress!) Epstein case was only brought back to life by the Radical Left Democrats because they are doing so poorly, with the lowest poll numbers in the history of the Party (16%), while the Republicans are doing so well, among the highest approval numbers the Party has ever had! The Dems don’t care about the victims, as proven by the fact that they never did before. This is merely another Democrat HOAX, just like Russia, Russia, Russia, and all of the others, in order to deflect and distract from the great success of a Republican President, and the record setting failure of the previous Administration, and the Democrat Party. The Department of Justice has done its job, they have given everything requested of them. It’s time to end the Democrat Epstein Hoax, and give the Republicans credit for the great, even legendary, job that they are doing. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!..................

So the very same people who called for the Epstein files/list to be released for years now claiming it was a cover up, suddenly blame the democrats for the same thing and call it a hoax?

It's odd how none of that happened until AFTER they saw the Epstein files.

Maybe calling it a hoax and convincing the trumpians that's true will give trump the excuse he needs to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell.

As the victims cry out for justice.

I think I saw at least 3 lies in just the first sentence.

The man lies so easy. NO problem doing it. the very worst part of this, there are those that will defend him even though they merely have too look around and see he's lying. They won't take a moment to do that!

Click the link to read the entire story..!

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/epstein-files-redaction-hidden-camera-doj-rcna229348


DOJ official says comments on Epstein caught on hidden camera were just ‘personal comments’

The Justice Department’s screen-grabbed statement does not appear to be tamping down online speculation about the Epstein files.


Sept. 5, 2025, 2:37 PM EDT
By Ja'han Jones

After a right-wing conspiracy theorist claimed on Thursday to have evidence that the Trump administration was engaged in a cover-up to protect Republicans named in the Epstein files, the Justice Department offered the public an unusual response.

James O’Keefe, the oft-debunked disinformation-peddler (who was ousted in 2023 from the conservative activist group Project Veritas), posted one of his sting-style videos in which the department’s acting deputy chief at the Office of Enforcement Operations, Joseph Schnitt, discusses internal DOJ feuds over the release of files related to deceased sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and the department’s decision to move convicted Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum security prison. In the video, Schnitt also makes the startling claim that any documents eventually released by the DOJ will redact the names of Republicans and not liberals.

The Justice Department responded with a written statement — attributed to Schnitt, posted to X, that appeared to have been captured from a phone with depleted battery — in which Schnitt said he was set up by “a woman named Skyler on Hinge” and that the comments he made were “my own personal comments on what I’ve learned in the media and not from anything I’ve learned or done via work.”

U.S. Department of Justice on X: "https://t.co/CFIly8IoHV" / X

https://x.com/TheJusticeDept/status/1963635111112446449

That sounds like a load of Schnitt if I ever heard one.

DOJ Posts Embarrassing Apology Over Official Caught in Honeypot Trap


The undercover sting came amid the ongoing firestorm over Jeffrey Epstein.

Daily Beast
Story by Farrah Tomazin
Political Correspondent

Updated Sep. 5 2025 6:34AM EDT
Published Sep. 4 2025 5:28PM EDT
https://www.thedailybeast.com/doj-posts-embarrassing-apology-over-official-caught-in-honeypot-trap/

Attorney General Pam Bondi’s department was forced into damage control after a top justice official was secretly recorded telling a date that the Epstein files would be manipulated to protect Republicans.

Joseph Schnitt, an Acting Deputy Chief in the Department of Justice, was caught divulging the information by a woman he met on the Hinge dating app, not realizing she was an undercover operative for the O’Keefe Media Group.

In a video posted online on Thursday, Schnitt is recorded telling the woman that the department would “redact every Republican or conservative person in those files, leave all the liberal, Democratic people in those files, and have a very slanted version of it come out.”

He also told his date that the decision to move Jeffrey Epstein’s accomplice, Ghislaine Maxwell, to a lower security prison went against Board of Prisons policy because she was a convicted sex offender, “which means they’re offering her something to keep her mouth shut.”

And he detailed the “internal conflict” between Bondi and FBI deputy director Dan Bongino, who famously clashed earlier this year over the Attorney General’s handling of the files.

“Second-in-command [Dan Bongino] at the FBI has been causing problems, because he’s like, ‘No, these [Epstein Files] have to be released… Bondi wants whatever Trump wants. Internally there’s a lot of conflict,” he said.

The footage was released on social media on Thursday by political activist James O’Keefe, who founded the right-wing Project Veritas before starting the O’Keefe Media Group.

From the moment we were told that a bunch of FBI agents are pouring over the documents (that may or may not exist) I felt it was going to be a cover up...Guess I was right.

Trump was an FBI informant trying to help take Epstein down!?