DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Gabbard Claims Obama Officials ‘Manufactured’ Intelligence of 2016 Russian Election Interference

You know what would be funny? If one of Trump's lapdogs was tasked with rooting out the "Russian hoax", took up a bunch of resources and more time than the Mueller investigation took, and found nothing.

That would be quite the twist, wouldn't it?

I guess since I posted these articles I should respond. The first article I posted is from the Hill. Not a right wing media outlet. They spent more time trying to refute the story than they spent on the story.

Second thing I posted came from the intelligence officer. I posted that because it actually links to all the in question emails.

Third thing I posted was from Fox News. I posted that last because of their bias. However, the article has more info about the story.

Now you can continue with your name calling and put downs.

Not to put you down or name calling intended here. Why does it seem logical to you that there have been at least three investigations of this already and they all came up empty. Even Republicans said there was no "there, there". Now, suddenly all of these allegations are coming out right in the middle of Epstein upheaval? All you have seen or heard are words. You have been shown nothing thus have seen nothing. Are you trying to say the entire timing of this doesn't look the least bit suspicious to you?

I was responding to Memphis and Peen. Sorry if you felt that it was a swipe at you. Peen is trying to suggest there is some "evidence" that has been shown - which there has not been. Memphis has spammed the board with all sorts of crap that is really not relevant to 2025. Nothing he has posted is relevant ... as I posted somewhere - the Mueller report showed what Russia did and raised 10 (or was it 11) examples of where Trump could be considered to have been obstruction events... and 30 indictments followed.... Bill Barr then lied openly about the content of the report without releasing it in full for a period of time where his narrative was allowed to take root.

It's really simple - this "story" is a deflection from Trump's association with Epstein. Period. If you don't believe that, there's probably nothing anyone can do or say to convince you otherwise. But just like so many things Trump has SAID - or manipulated the system to try to suggest - the proof is in the pudding and as yet there is no proof and there is no pudding, just deflection, flooding the zone with excrement per Steve Bannon and some dead cat politicking.

Hasn't that already been done ???? Hence my scathing dimissal of all this nonsense with little care to be polite to the trolls propagating it here.

Mueller Investigation (2017–2019): Lasted 22 months, resulted in 34 indictments (including key Trump associates), and documented extensive Russian interference and 10 examples of obstruction by Trump.

Durham Investigation (2019–2023): Lasted nearly 4 years, cost over $6.5 million, and resulted in only two minor convictions (neither related to FBI misconduct). The most high-profile case (against Michael Sussmann) ended in acquittal.

I think the timing is very suspicious. I, like most Republicans want to know all there is on Epstein. If that means Trump is caught up in the scandal I’m more than happy to see him fry.

I also don’t see what Gabbard does. However, there are memos and emails that show a turnaround in thinking of the Obama Administration. I also have little trust of all politicians as well as media outlets. There is another story out about how the Biden administration targeted Catholics and parents. I didn’t post that but I believe it is also worth talking about.

The fact is Russian Colution was false. However it wasn’t reported that way. Did Russia want Trump to win? I think so but that is not the same thing.

Russia interfered with the US election trying to influence the result - they did "meddle" on both sides trying to sow discord ..... but it is a fact that overwhelmingly they did their meddling to influence the election into Trump's favor.

U.S. Intelligence Community Assessment (January 2017)
"We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump."

Source: Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) – Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections

Senate Intelligence Committee Bipartisan Report (2020)
"The Committee found that the Russian government engaged in an aggressive, multi-faceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election... The influence operations were consistently aimed at harming Hillary Clinton’s campaign and supporting Donald Trump."

Source: Senate Select Committee on Intelligence – Volume 5: Counterintelligence Threats and Vulnerabilities

I agree with this. What I don’t agree with is that Trump and his people were involved. Mueller couldn’t prove it either.

Actually it was a two part investigation on Russia. One part was to see if Russia aided trump in the election. That part was found to be true. The second part was to see if the trump campaign had colluded with Russia on the campaign. That turned out to be false. The main reason the second part happened in the first place is because it was found that Guliani actually had a meeting with two known Russia connections. But you are right that the media tried to play it up for all it was worth.

And I hope you pay attention to what you posted and what that actually means............................


Those memos and e-mails existed through the other investigations as well. They aren't anything new or added information. The only thing that's turned around is how this administration wants to think it should look to you. There's a motivation for them to think that way. They're hoping your thinking changes too. As was pointed out by 888 above.................


Durham was appointed by William Barr as a special prosecutor on the case. If anything both Durham and Barr should have helped play into trump's hand, not against him. There has been no new evidence brought forth. No such in depth investigation this time. But somehow there's been "a turnaround in thinking"? Maybe that doesn't change your thinking on the topic. But at the very least it should help you to understand why so many of us are skeptical.


Much like yourself, I don't care who is on the list or which party they belong to. A pedophile is a pedophile. Which party they belong to doesn't matter to me. Put the evidence out there and let's get those scum bags off the street. For far too long I've seen the wealthy and powerful skirt and avoid justice just because of their power and money. It's time for that crap to stop.

Until Now!!!

I have no idea what "Until now!" was supposed to mean. There were different points for discussion included in my post and as per usual you responded with nothing that actually addressed any of it.

As Sonny and Sher would say, "And the beat goes on."

There was no new information there. There was no deep, long investigation conducted. Just someone with no investigative experience denying every actual investigations findings based on the identical information.

While I mostly agree - the problem was (and still should be) there was an unprecedented amount of back channeling going on with foreign powers and most notably Russia. Between Trump's entourage and foreign governments. Then when they were called out - they lied about it, then when they were caught in the lie, some lied again. It created an enormous amount of smoke. Manafort, Ghoulianni - many others. It looked bad, smelled bad, Mueller outlined examples of what could have been obstruction, 30 indictments were brought .... not a good look. Worth investigating and exposing. But as you say nothing was proven to lead to Trump's door himself.

Putting Gabbard on ignore. Getting to be quite a list there.

What Epstein upheaval?

I know you folks have a hard on for Trump. You have had one for almost 10 years now.

Bidens DOJ and FBI had all the files they needed. If Trump was involved in some way that could have hurt him, you don't think that would have happened then?

I think the upheaval is because you folks got caught with all your Russia crap and worked very hard to ever let that come to light. Heck, some were so fearful they shot the candidate Trump.

If you think that pencil necked kid was the sole individual involved, you and other are crazy. Somebody allowed a wide open portal to that rooftop.

*Collusion. Man I butchered that badly

It was probably the incompetent Deep State right? Same incompetent Deep State that was hell bent on preventing Trump from becoming POTUS in 2016 - but despite being this all powerful machine controlling everything they screwed up and Trump was elected - then with the pencil necked kid, the Deep State managed to create a wide open portal but then left the shot to a pencil necked amateur. Zero for two for the Deep State.

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This kind of conspiracy should be bigger than Watergate but watch the Dems and the media downplay this.

Get a clue. Educate yourself.

Take your blinders off. It is really clear on the right side of things.

Have you not been paying attention?


"You folks"? Did you miss that it's not just "us folks"? It's much of MAGA too? It wasn't "us folks" that have been screaming to see the Epstein files for years now. It wasn't "us folks" who voted for a man who said he would release them. It wasn't "us folks" that appointed an AG that claimed she had the Epstein client list on her desk only to turn around and claim that list didn't exist. That would be you and your ilk.


So a young kid is now "some"? And this young kid tried to assassinate trump because of the Russia files? Damn man! WTH happened to you?


Based on what Peen? Damn dude. You'll create any fictional fairy tale to believe anything you want to. Yes it was a communist CIA plot to kill trump.

I'll put this in bold this time.....................

I think powerful people on both sides of the political aisle are being protected. I don't care who is on that list. Pedophiles need to be exposed and prosecuted.

The trump white House are creating huge distractions to try to take the focus off the Epstein issue. And people such as yourself are helping. That doesn't mean trump is on that list. What it does mean is that there are certainly a lot of powerful people that are being protected. Republicans want that list revealed too. Did they really convince you this was all a ploy by the Democrats?.................

House committee votes to subpoena Justice Department for Jeffrey Epstein files

A House committee on Wednesday voted to subpoena the Justice Department for files related to the investigation into convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, as Republican leaders have resisted action on the issue.

Democrats on a subcommittee for the House Oversight panel forced a vote on the subpoena, and three Republicans voted alongside Democratic members. House GOP leaders have opposed a separate measure that would force the Justice Department to release materials on Epstein, and President Trump has urged his supporters to move beyond the issue.

The motion to subpoena the Justice Department, which was offered by Democratic Rep. Summer Lee of Pennsylvania, passed in an 8-2 vote. Republican Reps. Nancy Mace of South Carolina, Scott Perry of Pennsylvania and Brian Jack of Georgia voted in favor.

Republicans amended the subpoena to also include Epstein-related communications between former President Joe Biden, Biden administration officials and the Justice Department.

The subcommittee also approved by voice vote subpoenas for former President Bill Clinton; former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton; former FBI directors James Comey and Robert Mueller; and former attorneys general Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder, Merrick Garland, William Barr, Jeff Sessions and Alberto Gonzales. The motion was introduced by Perry.

"The American people want to know what's in that file," Lee said. "The American people want transparency. At the end of the day, we have to send a message that whether you are the littlest guy or you are the most powerful person in this nation, that if you commit a crime, if you do things that we aren't supposed to do, that there will be some accountability."

Republican Rep. James Comer of Kentucky, the House Oversight Committee chairman, will issue the subpoenas in the future, a committee aide told CBS News. Comer was not present for the subcommittee votes.

In the past, the Justice Department has sought to avoid handing over information about criminal investigations to Congress.

The Epstein case has drawn more attention in recent weeks, since a Justice Department and FBI review asserted that Epstein had no incriminating "client list" and died by suicide in federal custody.

Earlier Wednesday, Comer subpoenaed Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell to sit for a deposition as fallout over the Trump administration's handling of the Epstein case intensifies. Maxwell was convicted in 2021 for her role in helping Epstein recruit, groom and abuse underage girls. She is serving a 20-year prison sentence. Epstein died in federal custody in 2019 as he faced sex trafficking charges.

The Trump administration has been under pressure to release more information on Epstein. Last week, the Justice Department asked judges to unseal grand jury transcripts on Epstein and Maxwell's cases. Those requests need to be reviewed by federal courts, and a judge in Florida earlier Wednesday denied a request to unseal grand jury records for investigations into Epstein in the 2000s.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-committee-votes-to-subpoena-justice-department-for-epstein-files/

Wake the hell up man and stop slurping up all the tripe they're trying to feed you.

Yes, the deep state hired "The Kid Who Couldn't Shoot Straight", an incompetent kid that had no clue as to what he was doing to do away with trump.

It would take an idiot to even come up with that and an even bigger idiot to believe it.

Sadly you are on the wrong side of things.

If you won't educate yourself I will try -

Durham Investigation (2019–2023): Under Trump to try to prove all these things you and Peen and Memphis are going on about now ... Lasted nearly 4 years, cost over $6.5 million, and resulted in only two minor convictions (neither related to FBI misconduct). The most high-profile case (against Michael Sussmann) ended in acquittal.

From the web:

Origins & Appointment

In May 2019, then-Attorney General William Barr tasked U.S. Attorney John Durham with reviewing the FBI’s handling of the Trump-Russia investigation.

In October 2020, Durham was appointed as Special Counsel, ensuring the probe would continue past the 2020 election.

Purpose

Investigate whether the FBI and intelligence community improperly targeted the Trump campaign.

Examine whether the Steele Dossier (a controversial opposition research document funded by the Clinton campaign) was improperly used to justify surveillance warrants (FISA applications) against Trump aide Carter Page.

Major Findings & Reports

May 2021: Indictment of Michael Sussmann (a Democratic-linked lawyer) for allegedly lying to the FBI about his ties to the Clinton campaign when pushing Trump-Russia allegations. (Acquitted in 2022)

November 2021: Indictment of Igor Danchenko, a key source for the Steele Dossier, for allegedly lying to the FBI. (Acquitted in 2022)

May 2023: Final Report released, criticizing the FBI for relying on "raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence" but finding no broad conspiracy to frame Trump.

Criticisms & Outcomes

The investigation resulted in no major convictions and was seen by largely as politically motivated.

The report did not lead to charges against high-level officials, as some Trump allies had hoped.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/17/629764949/ryan-vladimir-putin-does-not-share-our-interests

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-panel-finds-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-us-election

Just a few articles on the subject. There are many many more that verify that Russia tried to interfere.

I know you don't want to believe it, but it's true.

Vladimir Putin stated in a public forum that he wanted Trump to win. I understand that Vladimir Putin political opportunities were far better with Trump who had signed a deal with Russia for a Trump Moscow venture during the primaries.

The rest of this is quibbling about word choice and legal definition. Influence, interfere, conspire, pick your choice or use them all to conflate issues.

The fact remains that George Papadopolos flapped his jaws to the Australian ambassador and that led to the surveillance of Carter Page.

Campaigns dealing with foreign entities is shady at best. But it has been done before. Remember the American hostage release on Jan 20, 1981. Reagan started off with a big win.

That is pretty typical. Answers like "get a clue" or your problem is "reading comprehension".

The problem is your sources just gobbled up what they were told and what they wanted to hear.

Gotta love it. That SOB sitting there in the picture spied on the American people and then lied about it. He should be hanged for treason in my opinion! Too bad this isn't the 1700's I swear.

Snowden is a patriot!

I don't think any of this rises to the level of treason, but everything might not be known at this point.

You actually raise a fair point — sometimes people do fail to provide real content to support their arguments. That can take the form of labeling others (Posters and politicians and media) to dismiss everything they say or do “commies” - or dismissing posts without any justification or substance (as I’ve just done). Sometimes (mostly/many times) they simply spam the board with random social media posts.

But there are a few things to consider:

1. The post I responded to was promoting a conspiracy theory I’ve already debunked in detail — at least twice in the preceeding posts ... I laid out facts and context explaining why the theory doesn't hold up. So when someone posts “this is bigger than Watergate” with *zero* evidence, no sources, and nothing but hype & propaganda, that kind of post actually fits your critique and is very much in line with what you were complaining about.

2. After that initial reply, I then followed up with an additional post containing information — facts, background, and context — specifically aimed at engaging constructively that very poster I responded to stating they need to educate themselves.

3. I’ve also noticed that you haven’t responded to any of those posts of substance and details where I laid out why this Trump/Gabbard narrative is baseless and clearly intended as a distraction. So if you believe Gabbard’s claims, maybe you could apply some critical thinking and explain why — rather than just repeating talking points provided by Faux?

Do you really believe they care about any of the facts when they have someone saying what they want to here?

This is why some people believe Trump. According to a CIA agent who is denying any bias throws Comey under the bus. I can’t tell if she is also talking about Clapper by how this is written. The fact is the Steele Dossier should never have seen the light of day, let alone used for a fisa warrant.

What I took away from the rest of the article is Trump did not Collude with Russia. Russia tried to interfere on Trumps behalf but that can’t be proven without in-depth polling of Trump voters. Personally I don’t think the vast majority of Trump voters had any intention to not vote for him. Trump’s own actions didn’t have much of an affect on them. Hell, he managed to get even more votes after all of this has been made known. You have said you have Trump supporters in your family. Do you think any of them wouldn’t have voted for him if they knew Russia wanted him to win?

It was proven they did in fact interfere on trump's behalf. What couldn't be proven is if that had any actual impact on the outcome of the election unless all of his voters were polled individually.

I agree that I don't think it made much of if any difference in the outcome of the election. It seems no matter what is said or done his voters always give him a free pass. And no, I think those who used to understand just how much of a threat Russia is to America no longer care if Putin thinks having trump as president gives him a distinct advantage.

I agree with everything you said here.