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Key word being minimal. I'm not trying to indicate they upgraded the QB position after they moved on from them. The facts are simply that Hoyer nor Anderson were anything close to legitimate NFL starting QB's and hanging on to them any longer would have been pointless. It would have served no purpose.

Since the return the best QB play the Browns have had is as follows

Baker Mayfield - 2018 thru 2021
Tim Couch 1999-2004
Derek Anderson 2006 - 2009
Joe Flacco - 2023 and hopefully 2025???
Kelly Holcomb 2004-2005
Brian Hoyer 2013 - 2014

All I am saying is stay with the best you have until you can find better. Cutting the best QB and hoping for the best results in Deshon Kizer, Cody Kessler, and Kevin Hogan. It is sad but that is the reality.

The reality is none of those who were cut were ever nor did they ever become quality starting NFL QB's. If you think continuing to hang onto them made sense then more power to you.

How do you qualify "best QB play" exactly? Hoyer did pretty good for a short time. Until opposing D's figured him out. Than it was over.

I agree with you in terms of Mayfield. But that was never a part of what we're talking about here. And the Browns had a terrible OL in front of Couch which led to him shredding his elbow. After that however he was done.

You argue just for the sake of arguing!!! I am not saying any were great QBs. I am just saying until you find better hold on to what you have.

Nobody is "arguing just to argue". That's something you made up in your brain. Once you know that a QB is never going to be a legitimate starter there's no reason to prolong that experiment. It's time for a different experiment.

What was it that triggered you? This?


Or was it this?...........


By the times Browns let them both go, both were done.

I mean if you wish to have a discussion on the topic that's just fine. But if you say things you simply can't back up? Don't blame me for it.

With that list of best QB play or simply best QB since 1999, i wonder if everyone would agree Mayfield is at the top of the list? Probably stick in the craw for some to admit that, but not sure how you argue differently. You can argue the bar is very low, but that doesn't change the way the list looks.

I'd put Mayfield at the top as well (Anderson that one year, Couch, Hoyer were decent)

But I also know that things deteriorated here for Baker (for whatever reason) and he was regressing

It would be impossible to put up a legitimate argument to the contrary. By any litmus test one could come up with he has been hands down the best QB the Browns have had since their return.

His last year here he was playing injured. For anyone that tries to dismiss that or claims it was a natural regression, look at what he has done since. Yes I know it's in a bad division but that can't simply erase his play. He is the only Browns starting QB since the return to go on and have any real success in the NFL after leaving the Browns.

I'm not sure if being shipped out by the Browns was a wake up call for him that made him a better QB. I think that would be hard to say for sure one way or the other. But whatever the case may be I'm happy to see he has done well. I'll root for him to do well in every game he plays unless he is playing against the Browns.