DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Quinshon Judkins Arrested for Domestic Violence

So your "best information" is to assume he is guilty? Is that what you say about everyone who is charged with something before they have a trial? My opinion is I'll wait and see until he faces a jury. You know, that silly little "innocent until proven guilty" thing our justice system stands on. But you do you. When a man is accused by 20+ women of something things become far more obvious. Your own source says it's "The alleged incident". It seems as though you missed that very important part.


I made it clear this was my point. But you dodged it all together. I don't blame you. You attacked his upbringing. Something you know nothing about. Stop deflecting.

I rely on what a jury determines. I thought I had already made that point clear. It seems you're trying to insinuate, which has all you've been doing to this point, that since the Browns are exercising a great deal of caution after being burned before, that's somehow indicative of guilt. You're really determined that he is guilty before this plays out haven't you? I hope those who may ever being considering you for jury duty sees your posts. I wouldn't want them to place someone on a jury who believes their clients are guilty until proven innocent.

Do you think it’s the Browns/Berry’s moral responsibility to support this young man until he has received his potential verdict?

Do you see him as a Cleveland Brown player or as an individual that atm isn’t connected to the Browns organization?

Andrew Berry welcomed DSW with open arms despite his background, legal issues and coming suspension hanging over his head. What’s the difference between these two cases?

I’m with you that this young man is innocent until proven guilty but statically there’s a very high probability that this’s just another tragic case with DV inside a relationship. The key question for me is whether the Browns could had the slightest chance to foreseen it and what’s their responsibility afterwards?

I believe that NFL organizations should looking more at potential risk factors as a combination to background checks when evaluating new signings and drafting players. what’s your thoughts about that?

I think you sound like you want MORE Analytics from the Browns.

Potential risk? It has to be verifiable risk. I suppose everybody carries the risk of murdering someone.

Naa, we can't draft him, he might murder someone.

The problem with analytics is that at some point the analyzing will spiral out of control with too many uncertain factors. That’s something to be aware of whenever it’s used.

When it comes to humans most professional and experienced evaluators restrict the amount of variables involved so the result doesn’t run the risk of being misrepresent of the reality.
It’s a fine line because too small amount of variables don’t present enough information to be used in a fair evaluation and too much moving variables has a tendency to complicate the result.

As long as the tool is used with cautiousness and common sense it’s very powerful but as with statistics, in the hands of the wrong people, it it can easily been manipulated and present the wrong conclusions.

That’s a simplistic way of looking at it.
If your goal is to search for a potential murderer you need a demographic and search area that’s limited.

A sport organization is probably more interested in knowing potential risk factors like use of drugs, alcohol consumption, mental illnesses, PTSD and for example ADHD.
Combine that with a troublesome upbringing, lack of mentoring or negative influences from the closest surroundings and you have a potential dangerous cocktail.

With that knowledge serious organizations can earlier prevent future problems by ordering therapy sessions for further evaluations. They can set up a structure of guidelines and medical tests to keep potential risks under control. The science around mental illness has progressed tremendously the last decade. With the right medication a lot of risk factors can be prevented before it spiral out of control. Education of values. Install and follow not only a legal but also a moral framework inside the organization.

There’re many young athletes who would benefits from professional mentorship, structure and guidelines.

It’s not about downgrading parents, single mums, dads or schools. Sometime time and resources are not enough. If a NFL organization invest millions in young athletes then it’s just a wise business decisions to make sure these young men also get the best possible help outside the training facilities.

Maybe the Browns already do all this, maybe not, but judging so far from results it isn’t enough.

What part of that in bold is confusing to you? They are waiting to see how this plays out first. That's the smart thing to do. In case you missed it, which you obviously did, that was in response to someone acting as though the Browns waiting to see how it plays out first indicates they think he is guilty. That's simply BS.

Context is important. Focus.

None of which you have shown to exist here but still you keep droning on about it. It's gotten to the point watching this obsession unfold is just sad.

Like it did when you used it to claim your total BS.

Just Clicking

If my father ever heard of or saw me hit a woman or girl, that would have been the end of me. That is one of the points in life where he would have drawn the line with no coming back from it. He made that very clear to me and by brother growing up.

I don't know what happened here.

In general I agree, but I don't believe there are no reasons for a man to hit a woman.

The reasons might be limited, but they still exist.

Insider Shares 'Uncomfortable Truth' About Quinshon Judkins
Story by Browns Nation • 1h
Browns Nation

Second-round pick Quinshon Judkins was positioned as the centerpiece of their revamped running game, a powerful back who seemed destined to fill a crucial role.

The organization had mapped out a strategy that placed significant faith in the young runner’s ability to anchor their ground attack.

Those plans took a dramatic turn on July 12.

Just as training camp preparations intensified, Judkins found himself facing serious legal trouble.

The arrest in Fort Lauderdale on charges of domestic violence sent shockwaves through the organization.

Team insider Mary Kay Cabot addressed the difficult reality Cleveland now faces with their prized draft selection.

“I mean [Quinshon Judkins] is the heir apparent to Nick Chubb. So there is a business component to this. If this were a sixth round pick, chances are they would not be giving him this second opportunity or the leash would be extremely short after that,” Cabot acknowledged the uncomfortable truth.

The allegations paint a troubling picture.

With Nick Chubb now playing in Houston, the Browns had counted on Judkins to provide stability and production in their backfield.

Jerome Ford, who accumulated 565 rushing yards last season, appears ready to step back into a leading role.


Fourth-round pick Dylan Sampson from Tennessee may also see expanded opportunities given his speed and potential.

Beyond the immediate roster implications, Cleveland confronts larger questions about organizational values and culture.

The Browns must weigh Judkins’ undeniable talent against the severity of the allegations while determining what standards they want to uphold moving forward.

The post Insider Shares ‘Uncomfortable Truth’ About Quinshon Judkins appeared first on Browns Nation.

So nothing of substance on the actual events. Nothing to show there were any previous red flags and the entire story is based on "The allegations paint a troubling picture." and "the severity of the allegations".

So while the title of the article is "'Uncomfortable Truth' About Quinshon Judkins" there's really no there, there. Pretty much the same as what some posters have done in this same thread.

I'm showing how dumb it was for one of our posters to put it on this board because nothing in the article matched the headline. It's nothing but click bait. Browns Nation didn't twist your fingers and force you to post it here. But why am I not surprised you would point the finger of blame towards someone else for something that you did?

Lousy article. MKC is no surprise. "Allegations" are not facts, nor are they news. She is promoting her bias again. Struck me as typical.

Yeah I agree

So berry has been pretty ambitious on the browns next move with Judkins… not sure we’ll sign him until we get more info on what’s going on with his arrest and the leagues punishment…

We brought in Kareem Hunt after he hit a woman on video ....... and all we invested was a contract. (after the event)

Current Brown Devin Bush assaulted his girlfriend. (or ex, I don't recall the exact detail)

You two are actually quite entertaining. 92-95%! That’s the numbers you’re fighting against. What can possibly go wrong with those odds…..

Interesting the Browns are now starting what looks to be making examples of bad behavior. Judkins. Last year Mike Hall was back on field in training camp next day after incident. Calling out Sanders for speeding saying, "Not Smart". I get it but after all they have permitted last few years it really is coming off hypocritical now.

They're waiting to see if there was in fact bad behavior.

Sadly I don't find you entertaining. There is nothing entertaining about a judgemental person, who has made accusations that he has no evidence that even applies to Judkins and pretend it's factual information. That's already been shown to be true yet you continue to go on.

For example you claimed he needed a male role model because you had no clue about his family and his father. Your 92-95% is based on BS. You insinuated drugs or alcohol was involved which there has been no evidence brought forward to support. Creating a fairy tale as you have done isn't factual. All to assassinate the character of someone who has never before given anyone reason to. Those non existent warning signs you posted about.

This is of course excluding a situation where you must hit a woman to save someone from her trying to kill them...Or a woman pulls a gun on you and you can get the drop on her...Sure there are circumstances that would require you hit a woman...

Lovers spat, arguing over cheating or something along those lines, it's just best to walk away.

Key word! Statistically.
Secondly you either don’t read my posts, or probably more likely, you simply don’t understand context.

Statistically alcohol, drugs, PTSD, ADHD and similar, in a combination with a troublesome background, by far the most common factors related to domestic violence.
Less than 5 out of 100 reported cases involving DV is false according several scientific studies. That means that 95 out of 100 is probably correct.

When a man hits a woman with a closed hand it’s probably not the first time some sort of abuse or violence are used according to statistic…..and surprisingly this was confirmed in the police report according to a tweet on X from MKC.

You keep ranting on about something you have no idea if it even happened. Statistically I hope you never end up on a jury. You mean a police report that tells one side of the story. Guilty until proven innocent. That's not how any of this is supposed to work.

Interesting opinion on the situation:

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story...nshon-judkins-devin-bush-jr/85337585007/

It might be interesting but the article comes to the wrong conclusion. I don't think the Browns turn a blind eye towards domestic violence issues. I think they might be a little lazy in the vetting process.

Judkins split with Ole Miss wasn't simply a move for more money. Ole Miss was equally ready for him to hit the road. When a team is ready to simply let a talented player walk and be glad the guy left, there are some red flags there that the Browns might have been wise to try to uncover...but maybe they did.

I know Judkins and this girl were a couple as students at Ole Miss. Maybe this was a one time thing, but domestic violence is usually a slow build process. It doesn't usually start with the guy punching the girl in the mouth.

So you are in the "guilty until proven innocent" crowd too because he changed schools? It's odd how you pick and choose who you judge and who you refuse to judge.

peen..from the second paragraph of ABJ article...


According to an incident report, she told police "there has been prior incidents of domestic violence but nothing to the point of what occurred in this case."

Watson was never found guilty in a court of law but that never stopped you have stopped you from calling him a predator. So much form innocent to proven guilty.

26 women. I fully comprehend that someone such as you can't see the difference. Same as it ever was.

Again, he was NEVER found guilty in a court of law. So, you decided thru other means to reach your conclusion. Why those 26 women did not have enough evidence to prove anything. If they had evidence Watson would have went to trail. I am just glad that you are so enlightened that you can reach conclusions that 2 grand juries could not reach.

I understand that in your world 26 women from the same profession accusing the same man of the same thing under virtually identical circumstances is the same thing as one woman accusing a man of something he has never been accused of before is the same thing. I get that.

It's not. Not in any version of reality.

Please be sure and copy your post and send it to the NFL.

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They want $$$.

They only care about the league rep and guilty or not his actions caused the league to look bad in the media, and he paid the price for that. The court of law did not find enough evidence to convict.