DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Ukraine: I really thought the recent thread would be the last

I'm just saying that this is one of the few times Trump has explicitly said what he wants to see (Europe take a more active role in European security), that goal being something most people can agree on, and early appearances indicating it could happen. I believe it was the NATO Secretary General (?? I think he's Dutch) that recently said that European leadership basically needs to put their bigboy pants on and quit waiting for the USA in order to do anything.

Now you have Zelensky being called to Washington and European leaders coming with him. Maybe I'm off-base, but it feels like NATO is taking some initiative and backing up Ukraine against what has been perceived as a Pro-Putin US admin. I think that's a positive.

Them standing behind Ukraine is certainly positive. The fact that they fully understand that trump favors major concessions be given to Putin and feel the need to go to D.C. to back up Ukraine not so much. So I suppose one could look at it, if they try real hard to see the glass as half full.

In other words, the reason for the galvanizing is bad…but the fact they are galvanizing is good.

Thankfully EU leaders showed up and helped handle Moscow MAGA’s agenda to give away Ukraine … traitorous POTUS agenda…

https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...to-know-f70e7c231251f263a66772d954eefff5

I like that the topic of landing land (conquered or not) over to Russia wasn't discussed. I think the fact that didn't even make it to the discussion is a big deal.

I don't like that the group is tip-toe'ing around Ukrainian membership in NATO despite apparently being in favor of all of the security guarantees that would go along with it. I think it opens the door to reneging on the overall commitment.

Russia launches huge attack on Ukraine following Trump-Zelensky meeting

Russia launched a major attack overnight on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure following Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s meeting with President Trump and European leaders on Monday at the White House.

Several dozen drones targeted the nation’s gas transmission system, causing widespread fires, according to the Ministry of Energy.

“The enemy continues systematic terrorist attacks against Ukraine’s energy infrastructure, which is a direct violation of international humanitarian law. Since March 2025, more than 2900 attacks have been carried out on energy infrastructure,” the Ministry wrote in a statement after the strike.

“The Ministry of Energy calls on the international community to increase sanctions pressure on the aggressor state and provide Ukraine with additional support to protect critical infrastructure facilities.”

Ukrainian officials said 230 of 270 drones launched by Russia and six of the 10 missiles fired were shot down.

“Thank you to air defenders for protecting the skies! russian terror must be stopped,” the Ministry of Defense wrote in an early morning post on X.

The strike came hours after Zelensky said security guarantees for Ukraine could be outlined within the next 10 days.

Zelensky following his White House meeting urged world leaders to aid him in ending more than three years of bloodshed.

“I thank all our partners for their determination and support. Ukraine feels this strength. And we will do everything to make the path to peace a reality – through partnership, through security guarantees, and through the courage of the Ukrainian people,” the Ukrainian leader wrote in a post on X.

Zelensky earlier Monday criticized Putin over Russian attacks on Ukraine ahead of the White House meeting.

“The Russian war machine continues to destroy lives despite everything. Putin will commit demonstrative killings to maintain pressure on Ukraine and Europe, as well as to humiliate diplomatic efforts. That is precisely why we are seeking assistance to put an end to the killings,” Zelensky wrote in a Monday post on X.

“That is why reliable security guarantees are required. That is why Russia should not be rewarded for its participation in this war. The war must be ended. And it is Moscow that must hear the word: ‘Stop.'”

Trump had said earlier that a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin last Friday in Alaska was “productive” and could soon yield a deal.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/russia-launches-huge-attack-ukraine-133352553.html

Good thing trump stood strong on his threats to impose sanctions if there is no cease fire.
Oh wait putin said lets do peace. And instead bombed the crap out of Ukraine because there was no cease fire or sanctions.
Now trump has said “It’s not a war that should have been started. You don’t do that. You don’t take on a nation that’s 10 times your size.”
What is wrong with this moron. Why would anyone believe a word he says.

That really wouldn't be anything new. We have already done that to them before via the Budapest Memorandum. They gave up their entire nuclear arsenal for exchange in part due to security assurances. No reason to believe us or anyone else this time.................

Ukraine Symposium – The Budapest Memorandum’s History and Role in the Conflict

https://lieber.westpoint.edu/budapest-memorandums-history-role-conflict/

This is a VERY good read for anyone who is interested in why this entire thing should have resulted in far more actions by us and the E.U.