DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Shooting at a Minneapolis Catholic school leaves 3 dead, including the shooter, and 17 injured

Just in case anyone forgot that school is back in session.

Lots of info coming out now about this being the alleged shooter.

I don’t really understand or agree with the political weaponization and find it an abhorrent power play actually.

I don’t care what the politics of this guy or any shooter like this are. I hope they rot in hell.

Especially when his original Tweet starts out the shooter appears to be a psychotic manic. But you know how he rolls.

Tragic and already people want to make this political. Not political as in gun laws and discussions on what can be done to try to prevent or minimise this in the future, but instead it's MAGA versus the democrats. Just sad.

I wonder if EducatedHillbilly from Missouri is someone we should all follow ?

"The name of President Trump written on the guns.".....How about writing saying to kill the President. Cowards not providing context to what else was written next to the name.

That’s your focus?

Terrible. Period.

But let's face it, if the shooter had been "anti Biden", or anti Barack, or anti democrat, there's a ton of you that would be ripping on R's, and Trump. That's just a fact.

I ain’t sinking down to that level arch and I ain’t arguing with you on this. Like I said, it’s awful whatever the situation. I hope we can sustainably have a conversation to prevent this. This is awful. My kids go to a Catholic school and went to Mass this morning. It crushes me.

I would love to have a conversation about this, without the politics. Problem is, I don't have an answer. You can't even ban guns, because they're everywhere.

The guy had know mental issues. Yet he could still buy guns. You do the math, add it up. then let me know your answer.

I don’t want to ban guns. I’m a 2A guy. I do want to make a significant effort both in prevention in multiple forms and I do want to emphasize protection.

Our school responded to this incident by sending out an email to the parents. One nice thing about Ohio is that there was a grant for an action officer at our schools. Our kids have a cop from a local PD who is on the grounds the whole time while school is in session. They also changed the entrance to get into church and locked the other doors (from the outside) so that there would be limited access. The police officer is armed and present at drop off which is also monitored by the principal and teachers. There was a lot of thought out into it.

My kids’ school was also thankfully at the cutting edge of wearable communication. There is a clicking device and I’m going to mess it up, but o think one click means the teacher needs help, two clicks means that there is a potential health emergency and three clicks triggers a call to 911 and initiates a lockdown throughout the facility. All of this is in addition to the action officer on the scene as well.

My wife is also an executive at a mental health agency and is pretty well qualified in terms of her own credentials. They did a study and still found that the ability to identify and report mental health markers in problematic individuals is still a huge area of need. So I would look at significant investment in improving that as well.

I do not know of a school around here that doesn't have, what we call, an SRO. School Resource officer. A cop.

It’s included with public schools but private schools had to apply and jump through hoops. My wife was on the school commission and actually was the one who applied for it for our kids’ school. I think it may be covered as part of tuition now because I know the initial grant lasted for one year per school.

I emphasize that because today’s shooting was at such a school. I’m not sure how Minnesota operates on that front.

Agree 100% with everything you said… I think every school should have at least one security officer… I think we should look at ways to close loop holes in our current laws like being able to buy a gun at a gun show or second hand without a background check….. and I think we need to make a huge investment in mental health…

This deranged individual should never have been able to get a gun… especially in a state like MN which has some of the tougher gun laws… and yet he had three guns that he used against kids… just sick…

Equally sick are the politicians who are using this to push their agenda rather than have a real conversation about things that could actually help… on both sides… I’ve seen people pushing their gun agenda and pushing their anti-trans agenda…. Ridiculous right now…. We need to do better…

There are crazies and extremisits on both sides - probably in about equal numbers. Paying attention and focusing on the crazies and acting as if they represent the majority is part of the problem. Accepting when posters do that and saying both sides do it does not help or alleviate the problem. There's a tradgedy and the first thing someone posts is about left/right politics. That's pretty extreme to me and pretty wrong and definately part of the problem. But then spamming of random twitter and FB accounts with anything politically devisive they can find seems to be some people's MO.

Personally I am in favor of never naming these individuals firstly. I am 100% in favor of doing more to keep guns out of the people's hands who have mental issues - that won't prevent gun ownership but if it made them slightly less easy for individuals to purchase/acquire even when they are 100% elligible I would not have any issue. Right to own a gun does not neccesarily translate into right to have it RIGHT NOW in my view. 2nd hand sales are an issue that needs a comprehensive review and action.

Lastly - the fact that there are nearly 400 million guns in the USA doesn't mean you don't try to make things better or reduce the chances of any sort of mass shootings being more frequent.

Simple answer.

Americsns need to vote out the extreme left and the extreme right and vote for more moderate candidates on both sides who can work together and compromise. You know just some plain good old fashion common sense. Until we do that those of us wondering around in between the nut jobs on both sides will suffer.

Well put!

You know I've been saying something like this for a long long time. Extremes from both sides are killing us.

I agree with Jay on closing loopholes, Mgh on not naming the shooters, and GM on voting in better politicians.

I also you should have a license to own a gun.
You need a license to hunt, to fish, to drive a car, why not to own a gun?

And you have various license categories.
Just like my driver's license does not allow me to drive a semi truck.
I need a special license

The Basic license - Hunting rifle's and basic hanndguns
Part of the criteria to own is mental health screening
Part is taking gun safety class
Unclear how I feel about needing to demonstrate some kind of proficiency

Another license for more high powered guns
This would include the AR-15
More intense screening
I think you shold also have to provide reason why you need one of these

Collector license
Sellers license

And I think we need to have people do a better job of keeping track of their guns.
I think if you own a gun and it is used in a crime then you bear some of the responsibility
There will be some exigent exceptions

You get a pass if it was stolen and reported stolen
This is good for one episode
If you get "robbed" multiple time that suggests to me that you are filing out fake reports to cover illegally selling our gun.

I also think we need to significantly increase the penalties for illegally selling a gun

Agree with you 100%.

He wasn’t always like that. In fact, probably one of the better posters in this forum for a while, IMO. It goes to show what happens when you block everyone and reinforce yourself with a deluge of dopamine-intense extremism on one side. I’ve made attempts to bridge the divide to no avail. Seeing that hyper-focus approach still continue in a thread like this makes me think there is no hope on that front.

For me it highlights and strengthens the need to moderate, regulate and hold SM accountable for what is posted there. No more and no less than say the printed media and radio. Both the platforms themselves - and what posters post.

Look at when he showed up and look what he has to say. The math here isn't complicated.

Social media is definitely a problem that transcends not just what you’re mentioning regarding media integrity, but also instances like this one with the shooter who can be extremized, not only for shootings like this, but also with people like the Tsarnaev brothers, J6 and all the crap we saw in 2020. It’s a huge issue.

To read this -- in this forum -- is hilarious.

The post was showing the ongoing attempt to ignore facts and circumstances and paint a picture of something else. Saying Trump's name was mentioned when the three words were "kill Donald Trump" is insanely disingenuous. It's 100% meant to have numbskulls spread the news that he was a Trump supporter. You guys all know that and dance around the actual message by demeaning and killing the messenger. It's despicable. It would be sad if it weren't so predictable.

Here's some more, let's recenter our focus on white supremacists.




The fact that you guys can swallow all of this whole and blame a poster on DT for everything wrong with the world says everything we need to know about this section. HE didn't make this up, HE isn't pushing a narrative, HE isn't politicizing this -- the media is.

Note to refs: I probably need to be held accountable for posting that ^. You should probably suspend me so all of the important, unbiased messages in this forum can prevail. 😁

Do you mean like was done in the thread Lib city? Talk about hypocrisy.

It also says everything you need to know about those posters, frankly.

And there it is. Using Charlie Kirk As a source and pointing fingers in the other direction......................

Trump ally Charlie Kirk tells Taylor Swift, ‘Submit to Your Husband,’ claims marriage will make her conservative

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ative/articleshow/123547364.cms?from=mdr

Hey buddy. I’m not blaming him for everything going on in the world. I am concerned that I’ve made attempts to reach back to him multiple times to have a discussion, like I did with Keith in the other thread and arch in this one. He has shut us all out though.

So, while you’re here, let’s discuss, because I appreciate that you will do that. If They said “left-wing extremist” in this case, I can’t speak for everyone here, but I would not have had any issue with that whatsoever. On the flip side, with articles like the one you mentioned talking about anti-religious or anti-Semitic beliefs, that to me would speak of motive for the heinous acts they committed.

In this case, though, the emphasis on the kid being trans, or the hillbilly guy saying the media was about the make the shooting disappear, or the hyper focus on Trump I don’t think has much probative value as to the motive, other than the kid was bay poop crazy, and I don’t get why that has to be first thing we all need to prioritize. In his post, not one thing about the kids, not one discussion about solutions or the environment. Straight to “this will be forgotten and the media needs to mention the Trump writings.”

To try and frame it in an objective light, had the situation been reversed and it was “Death to [insert liberal politician]” on the gun, and the SM emphasis became about how they need to focus on that, rather than the kids, mental health, extremism as a whole, etc. I’d be equally as pissed off. Because, at the end of the day, there are going to be idiots and extremists under just about every banner, and the more we focus on those extremista and the. Try to extrapolate everything out to the wider population, the worse off we get. It already feels like we have veered way into the “Let me find a culprit on the side I don’t like, so I can say ‘Aha, there! See, this is what they are like’” dynamic. Kirk does it. Maddie does it. Hannity, Carlson, Scarborough, they all do it. And it PISSES me off to no end. In any event, the kids and families end up being pawns. Hell, look at all the ish with Sandy Hook. Despicable.

Anyhow, thanks for posting. Always hope you’re doing well. Hope to see you in Discord for some of the games.

I’ve given you chance after chance to have a civil discussion, especially in instances when you’ve asked for one. We had one going in this thread. Feel free to jump in at anytime, or keep ignoring. The choice is yours.

So you're lashing out at a poster that trends more middle of the road (and is doing the same in this very thread) because he's not gravitating straight to "media is bad"... zeroing in on 1 statement he made in a much larger convo in order to ignore said larger convo and hold hands with a poster who's definition of debate is posting tweets from his echo chamber and then not backing anything up.

It's pure comedy because I damn sure can't take it seriously.

Just to help those struggling to keep up - no-one blamed the poster for anything, other than posting politically slanted social media posts about a tradgedy.

What then followed was how the poster is a SYMPTOM of one of our real world-wide problems. A real problem. A real symptom too. But don't let those facts get in the way of fake indignation and outrage and throwing toys out of prams.

I see the issue as this. There is a horrific tragedy with loss of kids lives. A school shooting that is sadly all too common.

While many/most people might see the headline of the thread about the shooting and think that there could be a disccussion about the event - loss of lives - how to prevent or reduce future such events. . . . what the original poster actually came here to do was highlight that apparently not every media outlet covered all the details that may or may not have been verified at the time of posting those articles: Namely what was missing was the fact that the individual was Trans - and that he had writen "Kill Donald Trump" and other vile things on his weapon.

Somehow and unsurprisingly it seems like an attempt to make some of the media on the same side as the crazy sick derranged killer. Personally I don't buy that - just like any vile act commited by an individual who may be a Trump supporter (or Pelosi hater) doesn't then represent or relate to Trump himself or Republicans in general. There's crazies on all sides - something I have often and always stated.

Anyway the disconnect then seems to be - or it looks to me as if some might want to talk about the shooting and how to try any all all avenues that might help reduce such events -- the others are here to talk exclusively about what the media did or did not say.

Personally I not only dislike posting this sick individuals name - a really despise and loath that people rushed to publicize his "manifesto" .... that stuff never needs to be made public. A summary by the police would be more than sufficient. If anyone believes that there isn't some other sicko in the USA who doesn't get excited seeing this guys name/manifesto/picture covering all the media, you are kidding yourself. No idea whether they will act on it - but why even throw that catnip out there. The posting and spreading of the manifesto and "hot news" reeks more of "CLICK ME CLICK ME" than it does of concern or wanting to help. That's true of any and all shock jock "journalism" - just worse when it's something like this.

The details hadn't been out long enough to be investigated beofre being reported. As you mentioned about his manifesto, what they failed to mention is that he had an obsession with former mass shooters. Giving them so much attention is certainly one of many ingredients that contributed to this tragedy. Also what was not mentioned is that much of that manifesto was written in Cyrillic script which would take much time to translate. I'm sure something the OP's sources did not do at the time it was posted.

My deepest condolences go out to these children and their families. Even those who were not shot or injured will carry these emotional scars with them for the rest of their life. Sadly the reality if the event is in no way political nor should be used as a weapon to avert attention away from the victims. Yet here we are.

Yes! That's what I'm doing. "Lashing out" and holding hands with Memphis!

I'm glad I went to lunch before deciding whether or not to participate here. 🤣 Back to your regularly scheduled circle-jerk.

Yes that far left liberal that oober is and all......

That's the problem. Even people that are moderates using common sense are now labeled as part of a "liberal circle jerk" by you and your kind. But lease do continue. You are only helping to prove my argument for me.