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Given the recent firing of the CDC Director Susan Monarez - I figured I would share a recent podcast I listened to about RFK and how/why he does not believe in modern science.

Anyone paying attention might remember I have posted/recommended Malcom Gladwell and Revisionist History podcasts before - this one is a link on Youtube but you can grab it on any podcast app... there is a part 2 but I have not listened to that yet.

Essentially RFK (And Woody Harleson and obviously some others) - don't believe in modern, observable, fact based science. It's a very easy 33 minute listen.

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I posted this in a different thread but since you started this one it seems much more appropriate here..............

White House fires CDC director Monarez after she refuses to resign; 4 top health officials quit

The White House on Wednesday said it had fired Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Susan Monarez after she refused to resign. Four other top CDC officials announced they were quitting the embattled health agency.

The leadership crisis at CDC erupted the same day the Food and Drug Administration announced new limits on who can get the latest approved round of Covid vaccines in the U.S.

“Susan Monarez is not aligned with the President’s agenda of Making America Healthy Again,” White House Spokesman Kush Desai said in a statement to NBC News. “Since Susan Monarez refused to resign despite informing [Health and Human Services Department] leadership of her intent to do so, the White House has terminated Monarez from her position with the CDC.”

The statement comes hours after attorney Mark Zaid said he was representing Monarez and that she had not actually been fired yet or stepped down, adding that she would not resign.

“When CDC Director Susan Monarez refused to rubber-stamp unscientific, reckless directives and fire dedicated health experts, she chose protecting the public over serving a political agenda,” Zaid said in a statement. “For that, she has been targeted.”

Earlier on Wednesday, HHS said in a post on X that “Monarez is no longer director” of the agency.

Monarez, a longtime federal government scientist, was sworn in on July 31. She is the first CDC director to be confirmed by the Senate following a new law passed during the pandemic that required lawmakers to approve nominees for the role.

The Washington Post first reported her ousting on Wednesday.

At least four other officials also submitted their resignations on Wednesday in a massive shakeup at the agency: Dr. Debra Houry, the CDC’s chief medical officer; Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases; Dr. Daniel Jernigan, the director of the National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases; and Dr. Jennifer Layden, director of the Office of Public Health Data, Surveillance and Technology.

Houry, in a resignation letter obtained by NBC News, wrote about the dangers of the spread of vaccine misinformation and said proposed budget cuts and reorganization plans would negatively impact the CDC’s ability to address conditions like hypertension, diabetes, cancer, overdoses and mental health issues.

In his resignation letter, also obtained by NBC News, Daskalakis said he was leaving the agency “because of the ongoing weaponizing of public health.”

Her departure comes at a tumultuous time for the agency, which is reeling from a gunman’s attack on its Atlanta headquarters on Aug. 8. A police officer died in the shooting.

Monarez on Friday canceled a meeting with CDC workers that had been scheduled for Monday, according to an email obtained by NBC News. She said she wanted to assure staff that the agency is working to restore their “trust in the safety and security of all CDC workplaces.”

President Donald Trump nominated Monarez after withdrawing his first pick to lead the CDC, former Republican congressman Dave Weldon, hours before his confirmation hearing. Weldon has been criticized for his views on vaccines.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/27/cdc-director-susan-monarez-.html


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Dude has written some compelling books.

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A big fan. He's got such a compelling story telling style - he picks such interesting topics and digs deep. Not all of the RH podcasts are actually Malcom anymore. But they are still a great listen.... two of my favs - "The Primeminister and the Prof" (about Churchill) and there was a 4 part review of gun. Another 4 part series devoted to the USA's obsession with guns. Part 1 is astonashing - "The Sudden Celebrity of Sir John Knight"

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I’m going to get personal for a bit on the topic of vaccine research and why I find cutting funds and denouncing vaccines as so abhorrent, especially when it comes to mRNA. I’m probably going to regret this.

There was a lot of new information and rushing to get things out there during the pandemic. We were trying to sail across an ocean on a ship while we were trying to build the ship. Both administrations worked toward that end. Then politics got involved and misinformation became rampant. Now, we have gotten into a place where mRNA is being attacked outright.

I will share my background a bit now. For any of you who have seen or been to the Sunflower Fields of Hope in Avon or Sandusky, or now seen the newly painted Sunflower Mural in Crocker Park, that is all run by the Prayers From Maria foundation. Maria was my niece and the two of us were very close. She died of a DIPG (Diffuse Intrinsic Pontine Glioma) when she was 7 years old. DIPGs and similarly cancers are nearly 100% fatal, absolutely brutal to witness, and target almost 100% kids.

My sister and her husband started the foundation to raise funds for Glioma research because there currently is not enough of a “market” for Pharma to invest substantially in research. So the nonprofits like this one lead the way.

My understanding is that one of the newly paved headways to combat cancer was mRNA type injections. Basically, our bodies dont usually attack malignant cancer because the cells identify as “us.” mRNA usage was supposed to be a way to help “program” the body to identify the cancerous cells as foreign so that our immune system would know to “attack.” That is my understanding at least…someone else may be far more qualified to explain or correct what I said.

What I worry about with the current HHS environment is the vilification of mRNA and the pívot to shut down research on it. I feel like that would cause great harm.

I’m trying to convey this in such a way that I don’t hit on the hot button political minefield when it comes to vaccines.


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So many things in our nation have been made political that should not be political at all to the point it has become mind numbing. Thanks for sharing your story.

In many cases, at least as it appears to me, is often times people don't seem to be able to understand the severity and impact of things until it hits them on a personal level. By then often times sadly it's too late.


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Honestly, I'm kinda split on RFK Jr.

Firstly, I see him in a sorta similar way as I do AOC and Bernie, in that I believe that he believes what he's doing is right. You can't say that about many people in the political sphere.

Jumping off from there, he's not wrong about pharma (the industry as a whole) being more about capitalism than it is about helping people... and how our healthcare system/culture puts so little emphasis on preventative medicine and clean living. That part of his shtick isn't wrong at all, and we as a country could stand to gain a great deal if he were to allowed to do what he wants with the American diet and food sources.


It's unfortunate that he takes that perspective to the extreme and makes it into an indictment against all health-related science. That said, of everything going on right now with the admin, I think his agenda is the one I'd pick to actual do the most positive... and we can recover from the negative (i.e. research can be resumed).


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Hopefully that bit of personal sharing won't ever be something you regret sharing and doesn't get twisted or used inappropriately. I can't see or imagine why it would. Heartfelt condolences to you and your sister and her family that is a brutal experience to go through. Impossible to ever imagine or put ourseves into her and your shoes.

That podcast above actally highlights what it is that RFK disagrees with - it is the implenting/injection of anything that is not 'healthy' or good for the body. Despite the science showing that introducing a small sample of a virus builds our immunity to it - RFK is against it believing the body only allows a virus or disease to manifest if the body is weak or compromised. I don't know that I have the time or words to fully expand on that - appologies. Wife is calling me smile


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To a certain extent I agree with you. When it comes to diet and big pharma we are certainly on the same page. Making our food supply safer and taking out artificial dies is also something I support.

But factually speaking there have been cuts to everything from food safety inspections to USDA funding.

The biggest concern I have is when will the next pandemic hit? How many people could possibly die by cutting research on mRNA vaccines? And how many advances on things like the one 05 brought up be delayed from being found as a result?

Research on everything from cancer research to mRNA vaccines is being cut. You can recover later but what price will be paid in the meantime? I understand that's a hypothetical because there is no set answer to that question at this time. But we can only hope the consequences aren't catastrophic.


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Honestly, I'm kinda split on RFK Jr.

Firstly, I see him in a sorta similar way as I do AOC and Bernie, in that I believe that he believes what he's doing is right. You can't say that about many people in the political sphere.

Jumping off from there, he's not wrong about pharma (the industry as a whole) being more about capitalism than it is about helping people... and how our healthcare system/culture puts so little emphasis on preventative medicine and clean living. That part of his shtick isn't wrong at all, and we as a country could stand to gain a great deal if he were to allowed to do what he wants with the American diet and food sources.


It's unfortunate that he takes that perspective to the extreme and makes it into an indictment against all health-related science. That said, of everything going on right now with the admin, I think his agenda is the one I'd pick to actual do the most positive... and we can recover from the negative (i.e. research can be resumed).

I think he's more nefarious than the other two mentioned. A lot of what his cousin said about him may be anecdotal, but it was somewhat concerning. His willingness to "sell" his voters to either side right before concluding his independent campaign I thought was skeezy as well.

He might have some points when it comes to the diet stuff, but I feel like we're stepping over dollars in many more ways than pennies. For instance, my MAGA-family is now all gung-ho on things like banning seed oils and going for beef tallow. The literature on seed oils is still emerging and not well defined. The literature on saturated fats, like beef tallow, has randomied control trial after randomized control trial speaking about the dangers of it. I also find it funny when my family members parrot his discussion on seed oils right before they down two bottles of wine. That all being said, they could well be, and likely are, misconstruing the bigger message. I would just love - for once - someone talking about the importance of exercise being the most potent longevity "drug" that we have while framing the huge picture that we need to prioritize calories in vs calories out. A huge portion of that being that empty calorie foods are killing us, quite literally.

There is a venn diagram between that last point and what Kennedy stands for, but the part of his circle outside where the two intersect is enough to really ring the crazy and harmful alarm for me. As far as resuming research, that's not really something I'm keen to postpone and then resume.


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Does anyone remember during his congressional hearing he said "I dont think anyone should be taking medical advice from me" ?
How How How is this guy with no medical or scientific experience making the most important medical decisions for our country ? Him and trumps will absolutely kill people. trump killed people with covid decisions the first time around.


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Does anyone remember during his congressional hearing he said "I dont think anyone should be taking medical advice from me" ?
How How How is this guy with no medical or scientific experience making the most important medical decisions for our country ? Him and trumps will absolutely kill people. trump killed people with covid decisions the first time around.

The real problem is some people actually believe the crap out of Trump and Kennedy’s mouth.


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The biggest concern I have is when will the next pandemic hit?

Who knows? Beyond Covid, the Spanish Flu strain in 1917 or so, but we had ongoing pandemics like Measels, polio, smallpox etc. Thankfully we learned to control those. Good science.

Today the problem we have is we have ghoulish science that looks to enhances various virus strains to deliberately release or just plain get sloppy with like they did with Covid, so who knows, maybe 18 months?


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Originally Posted by mgh888
A big fan. He's got such a compelling story telling style - he picks such interesting topics and digs deep. Not all of the RH podcasts are actually Malcom anymore. But they are still a great listen.... two of my favs - "The Primeminister and the Prof" (about Churchill) and there was a 4 part review of gun. Another 4 part series devoted to the USA's obsession with guns. Part 1 is astonashing - "The Sudden Celebrity of Sir John Knight"

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(I'm a living, prime example of the "10,000 hours rule.")

2. "David And Goliath"

Audiobook: "I Hate The Ivy League"

I enjoy reading folks who do their homework, state forcefully their ideas/assertions, and do so in an entertaining, compelling way. I can easily argue points when I disagree... but I'll always appreciate someone who challenges me to read- and think.


Hope this helps.


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Originally Posted by BADdog
Does anyone remember during his congressional hearing he said "I dont think anyone should be taking medical advice from me" ?
How How How is this guy with no medical or scientific experience making the most important medical decisions for our country ? Him and trumps will absolutely kill people. trump killed people with covid decisions the first time around.

I take more issue with the stuff he was asked about and said he wouldn't do... just to turn around and do exactly that.


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I think that's in line with POTUS' strategy and MO, too, though. E.g. talking about how crazy P2025 is and then putting Vought in charge of OMB. Among other things.


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Originally Posted by BADdog
Does anyone remember during his congressional hearing he said "I dont think anyone should be taking medical advice from me" ?
How How How is this guy with no medical or scientific experience making the most important medical decisions for our country ? Him and trumps will absolutely kill people. trump killed people with covid decisions the first time around.

I disagree. I think medical science in fooling with gain of function is what killed people. It's funny how China found the gnome code after Covid had spread globally.

They already had it before it leaked, be it intentional or by accident.

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Medicare Will Require Prior Approval for Certain Procedures
A pilot program in six states will use a tactic employed by private insurers that has been heavily criticized for delaying and denying medical care.


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Like millions of older adults, Frances L. Ayres faced a choice when picking health insurance: Pay more for traditional Medicare, or opt for a plan offered by a private insurer and risk drawn-out fights over coverage.

Private insurers often require a cumbersome review process that frequently results in the denial or delay of essential treatments that are readily covered by traditional Medicare. This practice, known as prior authorization, has drawn public scrutiny, which intensified after the murder of a UnitedHealthcare executive last December.

Ms. Ayres, a 74-year-old retired accounting professor, said she wanted to avoid the hassle that has been associated with such practices under Medicare Advantage, which are private plans financed by the U.S. government. Now, she is concerned she will face those denials anyway.

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services plans to begin a pilot program that would involve a similar review process for traditional Medicare, the federal insurance program for people 65 and older as well as for many younger people with disabilities. The pilot would start in six states next year, including Oklahoma, where Ms. Ayres lives.



The federal government plans to hire private companies to use artificial intelligence to determine whether patients would be covered for some procedures, like certain spine surgeries or steroid injections. Similar algorithms used by insurers have been the subject of several high-profile lawsuits, which have asserted that the technology allowed the companies to swiftly deny large batches of claims and cut patients off from care in rehabilitation facilities.

The A.I. companies selected to oversee the program would have a strong financial incentive to deny claims. Medicare plans to pay them a share of the savings generated from rejections.

The government said the A.I. screening tool would focus narrowly on about a dozen procedures, which it has determined to be costly and of little to no benefit to patients. Those procedures include devices for incontinence control, cervical fusion, certain steroid injections for pain management, select nerve stimulators and the diagnosis and treatment of impotence.

Abe Sutton, the director of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation, said that the government would not review emergency services or hospital stays.

Mr. Sutton said the government experiment would examine practices that were particularly expensive or potentially harmful to patients. “This is what prior authorization should be,” he said.



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e government may add or subtract to the list of treatments it has slated for review depending on what treatments it finds are being overused, he said.

But while experts agree that wasteful spending exists, they worry that the pilot program may pave the way for traditional Medicare to adopt some of the most unpopular practices of private insurers.

The program, called the Wasteful and Inappropriate Service Reduction Model, is already drawing opposition from Democratic lawmakers, former Medicare officials, physician groups and others.

Patients are also leery. “I think it’s the back door into privatizing traditional Medicare,” Ms. Ayres said.

People enrolled in traditional Medicare who live in Arizona, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas and Washington State will be included in the experiment, which is expected to start in January and last for six years.



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ThVinay Rathi, an Ohio surgeon and an expert in Medicare payment policy, warned that the experiment could recreate the same hurdles that exist with Medicare Advantage, where people enroll in private plans. “It’s basically the same set of financial incentives that has created issues in Medicare Advantage and drawn so much scrutiny,” he said. “It directly puts them at odds with the clinicians.”

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Typically, these A.I. models scan a patient’s records to determine if a requested procedure meets an insurer’s criteria. For instance, before authorizing back surgery, the system might search for proof that a patient first tried physical therapy or received an MRI showing a bulging disc. Many companies say human employees are involved at the final stages, to review the A.I. evidence and approve the recommendations.

Insurers defend these tactics as being effective in reducing inappropriate care, such as by preventing someone from getting back surgery at tremendous cost instead of another treatment that would work just as well.

Government officials said that any denials would be done by “an appropriately licensed human clinician, not a machine.”

Mr. Sutton also emphasized that the government could penalize companies for inappropriate decisions.



A group of House Democrats, including Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, warned in a letter to government officials in late July that giving for-profit companies a “veto” over care “opens the door to further erosion of our Medicare system.”

Private plans under Medicare Advantage have become increasingly popular, with a little more than half of older Americans and people with disabilities eligible for the program and some 34 million enrolled. But many, like Ms. Ayres, are willing to forgo some of the additional benefits the private plans offer, like dental checkups and gym memberships, to avoid having to jump through numerous hoops to get care.

“It’s really surprising that we are taking the most unpopular part of Medicare Advantage and applying it to traditional Medicare,” said Neil Patil, a senior fellow at Georgetown and a former senior analyst at Medicare.

The American Medical Association wrote in a letter that doctors view prior authorization “as one of the most burdensome and disruptive administrative requirements they face in providing quality care to patients.” Most patients who appeal are successful, but a vast majority never appeal.

Democrats and Republicans in Congress have supported legislation that would curb some of the insurers’ most troublesome practices. The Biden administration enacted some new rules, and the Trump administration was eager to take credit for pushing insurers to pledge to a series of reforms just a few days before unveiling this new program.

In announcing the new model, Dr. Mehmet Oz, the administrator of the Medicare agency, said the goal was to root out fraud, waste and abuse.

“It boils down to patient harm,” Mr. Sutton said. The model is expected to save several billions of dollars over the next six years, although it could save more if it were expanded.

There are clear-cut examples where Medicare has wasted billions on questionable medical care. The agency came under scrutiny earlier this year for spending billions of dollars on expensive “skin substitutes” of dubious value. The pilot program would require patients to seek prior authorization before getting a skin substitute.

But if the algorithm used to authorize those procedures proves to save the government money, Dr. Rathi fears C.M.S. may feel justified in broadening the program to include services that are not such “low-hanging fruit.”

“You’re kind of left to wonder, well, where does this lead next?” he said. “You could be running into a slippery slope.”


How insurers make their decisions remains opaque. A spokesman for Health and Human Services, which oversees the Medicare agency, declined to identify which companies had submitted applications for the contract.

Contractors hired by the government are supposed to watch over payments to ward against inappropriate or wasteful coverage. Those reviews generally happened after someone had received a treatment, though the Biden administration instituted a modest pre-approval program that did not use A.I.

The new model relies on an additional set of private companies for traditional Medicare that have a very clear incentive to deny care.

The companies represent “a whole new bounty hunter,” said David A. Lipschutz, the co-director for the Center for Medicare Advocacy, one of the groups that has urged government officials to abandon the program.

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