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Yesterday, FATE mentioned the engravings. I kept thinking they were on the gun barrel, so I didn’t find anything, but this was a press release where the Governor talked about the engravings being on the bullet casings, hence I was looking in all the wrong places.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/uDmHP4pcnv

He mentions on one hand “Fascists take this” or something similar and then later had one that said “If you read this, you are gay.”

I’m not much of a gamer, but it appears from the comments that he put arrow marks that would signify dropping a bomb on a target from some video game.

So far, from the press conference and everything learned - I am sure more will come out - it appears the kid was relatively normal on the surface. Smiling selfies on vacation. Doesn’t have those “crazy eyes” you see with almost every one of these shooters.

My guess is some perfect storm of psychotic break perpetuated over time + isolation (playing video games constantly alone) + radicalization of some form. One thing is for certain that he planned this very well for someone who was off his rocker. It seems the one thing he didn’t plan very well was what he was going to do afterward. All just my $0.02 based on my currently limited knowledge. We’ll know more I’m sure in the coming hours and days.

The whole conversation between the two was way off base. You have one poster who’s making it a point in this thread to talk about ANTIFA while bible thumping and villainizing the entire left and another poster who immediately made it about Trump.

This is what I was talking about yesterday. This is what we’ve become. Both need to be told to sit in a corner.

I’m tired of it.

Political violence is the worst thing that can actually rip this country apart at the very seam our for fathers sewed.

That said karma has its way of taking care of fascists and anti-fascists.

J/C

Let's see how trump is handling this and the difference between how he has handled this compared to similar events when they happen to democrats...........

President Donald Trump addressed the incident in a video where he blamed the "radical Left" for heated rhetoric that he said was "directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today."

"It's long past time for all Americas and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible," Trump said in the video.



But several others have been quick to compare Kirk's death to that of Minnesota House of Representatives speaker emerita Melissa Hortman of the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party earlier this summer. Hortman was shot and killed in her home in what officials called a political assassination.

Here is what the president said about the two incidents:

Donald Trump on Charlie Kirk's death: 'Great guy from top to bottom'

Trump posted on Truth Social shortly after the incident occurred. "We must all pray for Charlie Kirk, who has been shot. A great guy from top to bottom," the post read. "GOD BLESS HIM!"

Trump confirmed Kirk's death in another post hours after the incident, saying "no one understood or had the Heart of the Youth in the United States of America better than Charlie."

Trump's video from the Oval Office also honored Kirk, calling him a "patriot, who devoted his life to the cause of open debate and the country he loved so much, the United States of America."

The White House announced a presidential proclamation ordering flags to be flown at half-staff until Sept. 14 in his honor. On Sept. 11, Trump said he will award the Presidential Medal of Freedom posthumously to Kirk.

What did Trump say about Melissa Hortman?

On June 14, Rep. Melissa Hortman, her husband and their golden retriever were shot and killed in their home. The suspect was indicted by a federal grand jury in July and is also accused of shooting and injuring another state lawmaker and his wife earlier the same day. Investigators say the attacks were researched and planned, and the suspect had a list of mostly Democratic lawmakers and their addresses.

"I have been briefed on the terrible shooting that took place in Minnesota, which appears to be a targeted attack against State Lawmakers," Trump said in a June 14 Truth Social post. "Such horrific violence will not be tolerated in the United States of America. God Bless the great people of Minnesota, a truly great place!"

Days later, Trump said he wouldn't call Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, suggesting it would "waste time."

Hortman was not mentioned in Trump's Sept. 10 address touching on several recent instances of political violence, including his own survived assassination attempt and the shooting Rep. Steve Scalise, R-Louisiana in 2017. He did not mention other attacks on Democrats including an arson attack at Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro’s house, a kidnapping plot against Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and an assault on former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband in their home.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...harlie-kirk-melissa-hortman/86089962007/

I think a conversation needs to be had about radical political influencers, akin to what oober softly indicated yesterday. I don’t think now is the right time to get into it, but I think one needs to be had, perhaps in a new thread when the dust settles and we can approach this from a more objective than a raw approach.

A perfect example of rhetoric seen these days.



It's rare, if ever, that this clown apologizes for the things he makes up. And because he is a popular public figure, people will believe him.... and trust his words. This happens ALL THE TIME and it's terrible. He deleted his tweet because so many people called him out on it. These situations are not irregular.

They are frequent. They are common.

I just made a post about how trump is handling this situation. As tired as you might be of it, ignoring what the man who is president of this country does and says that adds to this violence and hate is something many don't believe is wise. It's certainly not all about trump. This was a tragic event and two little girls will now grow up without a father.

But turning a blind eye to the twisted way trump is leading his party to hate is something many of us believe we should never do. He isn't just some rando on the internet or simply just another talking head.

That's been the typical pattern since he first came down that escalator in 2015. Oh, you were referring to Stephen King. It's a good thing that guy isn't president huh?

I don't know if his dad was a deputy or not. It doesn't matter. If he was in contact and didn't turn him in, he risks his career and free life as well as the other members in the family.

To me it wouldn't be a hard call at all. Emotionally distressing, but not hard.

Sorry Son, I love you and always will, but I am not going to allow your stupidity put the rest of this family in jeopardy.

I wasn’t referring to you, but the two posters Peen was replying to.

I don’t think Trump’s comments afterwards helped at all. In fact, I wish he wouldn’t say anything at all in situations like this. You obviously know where I stand on him across the board. Just the rabbit hole those two were going down on this thread was getting insane.

It’s the emotionally distressing part that I think would crush me.

I think we're on the same page here. I should have phrased it better. Having to do this to your own son would be a very painful thing to have to do. As for myself I've never had to face anything close to that situation so I don't know first hand. But I would imagine I would be asking myself where I went wrong. It doesn't mean this father did anything wrong. I know many households who raised their children well and have well adjusted and productive children. Then there was this one child..... I think you know what I mean.

But I think it would be only natural as a parent to question what it was you missed. What you didn't do or didn't see that you should have.

I feel so badly for everyone involved in this situation. From the victim, to his family, to the students who had to witness such a tragedy to the shooters family. When such an incident occurs there ends up being a very long list of victims in its wake.

Thanks for your reply.

That’s well said. I think, as a parent, I blame myself a lot for even just the little things. While it is completely within the realm that this parent did nothing at all to create the situation, if it were me, I feel like I would always feel like I did something wrong, despite an abundance of facts to the contrary.

I hope all these instances are handled consistently (called out and the person takes accountability).

The first step is acknowledging the problem... check.

The next step is NOT perpetuating it.


Or are you just acknowledging that violence is bad and ignoring the 2.5 pages of conversation of one of the root causes?

Was there a point you were trying to make?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/19/poli...harris-calls-trump-a-threat-to-democracy

Go ahead and add this one on the pile, if you don't mind.

He's most certainly "trying to". A moot point trying to be made by those who haven't been paying attention.....................

Murders in Politically Motivated Terrorism since 2020

Table with 3 columns and 7 rows. (column headers with buttons are sortable)

Foreign Nationalism 1 1%

Islamism 17 21%

Left 18 22%

Right 44 54%

Separatism 0 0%

Unknown/Other 1 1%

Total 81

https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

I don’t really understand what posting a compilation of Biden tweets does to this thread, especially tying it to what the killer did in this situation.

If the overall point is that he is riling up and radicalizing people, I think that’s a pretty ubiquitous problem we have permeating just about everything in politics right now. Hell, I remember back when Trump reposted a picture of Biden hogtied in a pickup truck.

It’s a freaking nightmare, but I’m not sure what place that has in here.

After Charlie Kirk's killing, MAGA world mourns, but some say 'we're at war'

As voices across the political spectrum call to lower the temperature following the shooting death of conservative activist Charlie Kirk on Wednesday, many in the MAGA world are mourning his loss, with some enraged and escalating their rhetoric online.

Across social media, some of the most popular voices in the pro-Trump movement are calling for a crackdown on Democrats and for the Trump administration to take action in the aftermath of the killing.

In private, peers of Kirk say they are shocked and horrified by the shooting -- with some MAGA influencers telling ABC News they may be hesitant to do public events in the future -- but they are also equally angry and demanding consequences.

"This will be the real turning point," one person told ABC News.

"The best way President Trump can reinforce Charlie's legacy is by cracking down on the Left with the full force of the government," said Laura Loomer in a post on X after Kirk's death was announced.

"No mercy. Jail every single Leftist who makes a threat of political violence," Loomer added.

In an earlier post, she wrote that "we must shut these lunatic leftists down. Once and for all. The Left is a national security threat."

Meanwhile, Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who has largely avoided politics in recent months, posted that "the Left is the party of murder" and added "if they won't leave us in peace, then our choice is fight or die."

Conservative activist Christopher Rufo called for a J. Edgar Hoover–style campaign to target the "radical left." Hoover, as head of the FBI, led a sweeping, controversial crackdown amid the civil rights movement through surveillance and other means to target political groups.

"The last time the radical Left orchestrated a wave of violence and terror, J. Edgar Hoover shut it all down within a few years. It is time, within the confines of the law, to infiltrate, disrupt, arrest, and incarcerate all of those who are responsible for this chaos," he wrote on X.

Pro-Trump influencer Joey Mannarino, who has over 600,000 followers on X, urged Trump to take an El Salvador–style approach -- a reference to the country's controversial campaign of mass arrests and suspended civil liberties, which drew accusations of authoritarianism and human rights abuses.

"Trump has to go full Bukele. Now. Fill the jails up with these terrorists," Mannarino said.

Elsewhere, on Steve Bannon's podcast, MAGA figure Jack Posobiec called for retribution.

"There's never going to be another Charlie Kirk, but there's never going to be another assassin to take out someone like the way they did because of what comes next will be swift, quick and it will be retribution," Posobiec said.

One word in particular was echoed by leading voices in the MAGA movement: "War."

Lone time Trump ally Bannon called Kirk's death an assassination, remembering Kirk as a "warrior."

"Charlie Kirk did not die," Bannon said on his WarRoom show Wednesday, adding, "Charlie Kirk was assassinated today in Utah."

In the conversation with Posobiec, Bannon said that his friend Kirk was a "casualty" whose life was taken in cold blood.

"Charlie Kirk is a casualty of the political war," Bannon said. He also said, "We are at war in this country and you have to have steely resolve."

Others echoed Bannon's sentiment.

"THIS IS WAR," the account Libs of TikTok posted on X after the shooting. The post has more than 78,000 likes.

Venture capitalist and Musk ally Shaun Maguire said in a post, "We're not supposed to say this but the truth is we're at War."

And far-right radio host Alex Jones speaking in a video he posted on X declared, "we're at war."

Some prominent Republicans, however, called for an end to political violence on both sides of the political aisle.

Former President George Bush released a statement saying, “Violence and vitriol must be purged from the public square. Members of other political parties are not our enemies; they are our fellow citizens,” he wrote.

In the immediate aftermath of Kirk’s killing, House Speaker Mike Johnson said during an appearance on Fox News “We have got to turn the heat down a little bit. We got to have civil discourse." “That's what's so important for us to remember," Johnson said. "We shouldn't regard one another as enemies. We're fellow Americans, and we should have vigorous debate, but it cannot lead to political violence. It's just too much."

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise told CBS the day after the shooting, "we cannot let what happened yesterday be the norm."

"Unfortunately, we've seen politics degrading where some people feel if they disagree with you politically, they've got to try to go and eliminate those people," Scalise said. "That is not what America is. You know, we solve our differences at the ballot box."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/after-charlie-kirks-killing-maga-world-mourns-war/story?id=125483603

"A lot of people are saying."

So that’s pretty scary to begin with, but my next question is: “To who are they at war?” Most Democratic and/or liberal who has garnered any attention at all has vehemently spoke out against the shooting. That includes Newsom, Harris, Sanders, Walz, Buttigieg, Schumer, Jeffries et al. Most rational conservatives I see aren’t advocating for “war” either.

Plus, the more that comes out, this kid was a Utah native, LDS member, raised in a Conservative family, a registered Republican, and there’s a picture of him in 2017 wearing a Trump costume on Halloween. Granted, I don’t know what may have changed recently for him, but putting all those together doesn’t exactly give those calling for “war” a very distinguishable target of who they at least suspect they should go after.

So, the shooter was a conservative Christian kid…. Dems won’t hold their breath for a presidential apology.

Please explain how Charlie Kirk was racist?

Charlie Kirk was a fascist and deserved to die?

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Fake news. Try again.

Uh-oh. Looks like you deleted your comment. Care to elaborate? Did you find out it was a lie?

No I realized it was something I heard and did not research it's accuracy. So I decided to delete it.

"Charlie Kirk said "if I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified,'" I'll go out on a limb and say he is racist.

He explained this was not how he personally feels, but a reaction he attributed to concerns about DEI policies that, in his view, might prioritize race over merit in hiring. He expressed worry that some jobs, including airline pilots, might be filled by less qualified people due to affirmative action or quota systems.

And naturally, just like you did in the post you deleted, the internet decided he was refusing to fly in a plane piloted by a black man. He clarified that his comment was not a refusal to fly with Black pilots, but rather an expression of skepticism about hiring based on race rather than qualifications.

That's racist?