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Yet again nobody said that.

You're really going to be embarrassed tomorrow when you read that crap sober.

I'm sober. I read that he broke a Josh Allan record, and he threw for more yards than all other QB's except 1 in the history of college football, and he is the most experienced college QB ever. Sounds like a can't miss project. He is going to be so great!!!!! What am I missing oh he is waaaayyyy under sized!!! Can't forget that TINY detail.

The throw speeds were captured using 2 different methods of measurement. It's not really an apples to apples comparison.

Senior bowl uses an RFID chip inside the ball. Allen's was from the combine with a radar gun. Think the difference is something along the lines of instantaneous vs sustained velocity. Throw in that the RFID chip is rotating with the ball and might be some angular acceleration in the mix. Or there might just be a tighter interval with the RFID. I.e, for this 3 millisecond period it reached a max velocity of 74.9 mph. While for the entire flight it may have averaged a slower speed.

Having said that, Gabriel can put plenty of zip on it. I don't think he has Josh Allen's cannon, though.

He's played at that size his whole career. Physical specimens can and do fail. Can the guy play or not? We'll see.

If the team is so bad that he has to play and if he is terrible then Stefanski needs to go and so does Berry.

There is no such thing as a "can't miss prospect" at the QB position in any draft. And once again you are the only one who said that. There are facts and indicators that you can look at in order to rate and decide where a draft pick should be drafted. In this case that was determined to be the third round. Considering the odds of a third round draft pick ever becoming a starting NFL QB he has pretty good odds. But those odds are small. That's why he fell to the third round.

Once again you are the only one who is saying what I quoted above. If you truly are sober I fell sorry for you. I was trying to provide you with an excuse for your posts today.

He's going to play because we need to see what he can do. Flacco is not the future.

So, DOTD, what YOU are now saying, since you take things out of context, is that Berry and Stefanski have come to the point where their careers hang in balance based on a 3rd round prospect? It doesn’t matter if the defense jumps to a top 3 status in large part because of Berry’s first two draft picks this year? What if Judkins, when he finally plays, steps in and reminds us of Nick Chubb? Will any of that matter, or does it come down to the evaluation of a 3rd round draft pick?

My new nickname for you is clickbait, I can’t wait to see what you write about how I’ve already inaugurated the above to factual status. Obviously I took some extreme examples of something that is possible to happen to sensationalize my post, but I’m sure it will give you ample subject matter to make a new profound statement, I’m waiting on the edge of my seat…

No what I am saying is if the Browns are so bad they have to bench Joe Flacco the only QB on the roster that gives them a chance at winning and then their pick at QB Gabriel does not play well they have to go. We do not want the duo that reached for a midget QB picking the next franchise QB. Also, how much faith do you have in them they will get that pick right? Especially after watching their choice in kicker do what he did last week.

This can be debated depending on the angle you take.

The Browns drafting has been solid for the past couple years.

Hahahahaha I love it!!!

Just for the record I prefer QBs who are at least 6 foot 4 or higher. It's so hard to see over offensive linemen if you are shorter than that. Any QB shorter than 6'4 is most likely throwing blind unless they plan out the blocking assignments to create vision tunnels for the QB. Both DG and SS have a problem seeing over tall offensive linemen. Neither of them can see around that big Left Tackle we have starting atm. There is a reason shorter offensive linemen who play well are premium players.

Joel Bitonio: 6'4"
Jack Conklin: 6'6"
Ethan Pocic: 6'4"
Wyatt Teller: 6'4"
KT Leveston: 6'4"
Dawand Jones: 6'8"
Cornelius Lucas: 6'8"

Both our young QBs are throwing blind so their height doesn't really matter because they are both too short to see over an offensive line where the shortest guy is so much taller than they are. We got some BIG BOYS on that offensive line. Joe Flacco is our ONLY QB who can see over them.

They didn't reach for a midget. They drafted him based on where they rated him, based on the characteristics they cared about. If he were taller, they'd probably have drafted him sooner, but height isn't the only part of the evaluation. Some people seem to put way too much weight on it.

"We" don't want you picking the next QB or picking the picker of the next QB. I have more faith in them than whoever Haslam would tap next. Hopefully, they already found the franchise QB regardless of your constant disparagement of his height. All the highly touted college QBs looked pretty rough this week.

Kickers miss kicks. It happens. I've yet to see one go 100% for his career. If you know an available kicker that has and will never miss a single kick, we're all ears.

The OL are taking up the exact same amount of space no matter who is throwing the ball. All QBs have to find throwing lanes. All QBs have their vision blocked at times.

Yet, the game isn't played by OL standing straight up in a solid wall all the time, either. Gabriel can see just fine over a squatting center. Perhaps having a shorter QB will lead to them staying low and playing with better leverage.

All QBs have to piece together what they can see once things start moving.

Dillon deserves a shot to see what he can do like anyone else. After a solid body of work a fair assessment can be made.

I hope neither get their shot this year, as that will mean the team has something to play for and Flacco is healthy and productive. Plus, it rarely works well when rookie QB(s) are pressed into starting roles. Rarely for any team and never for us.

I know you think Gabriel will be the next Tom Brady. I don't see it. I saw the pick six and the fumble he caused in the preseason. I saw a QB mot good enough to go pro early and had to change teams 3 times. Bottom line is he is not very good. It was the worst pick in this year's draft by far. a 3-round reach for a QB that has no chance to be anything other than a backup for his career.

Once again you are the only one on this board who has said that. i believe this is the fourth time in fact. Why do you continue to tell that lie?


Did you also see the perfectly executed two minute drill for a TD?


He started for all three of those teams and chose to change schools. Do you even try to fact check the crap you spew?


What network pays you to evaluate QB'S? Do you work for an NFL team in the scouting department? If you think that's true what about that fifth round pick for a QB? Worst pick in this years draft? So it won't be a first or second round pick at QB who bombs for some other team?

You are hilarious!

Time will prove one of us right!!! I am confident how about you?

And it starts. Everybody’s favourite QB: the backup.

In this case, it’s kind of hard to argue though. Not just 0-2, 0-2 in the division. No offense, but championship level defensive play. I truly believe Flacco gives us the best chance to win… yet we aren’t winning with him. It might be time for one of the rooks to prove me wrong.

On a side note, I didn’t hate Judkins game today. I see a guy that if given 20 carries might start to wear down defenses.

Browns are desperate for O-Line help, WR help and it’s time to see if that is also QB help, which most of us believe is the case.

We have a 12% chance to make the playoffs… that 12% might be by changing QBs.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. I know it’s early, but… 12% chance, at least give us 12% by making a change.

Yeah Irish, Joe gives us the best chance to win and we have no wins. A lot of this isn’t his fault though. But do we really want to put in a rookie QB?

He’s starting now because we need a vet in there.

Run game needs to get going. That's the engine in the KS offense, and the broadcast kept harping on Baltimore's defensive alignment begging us to beat them on the ground.

I wouldn't make the change until our game against Miami ... think about the schedule before then:

Green Bay .. thats a disaster to start a rookie
at Detroit ... same
Minnesota .. thats an international game against a great D
at Pittsburgh ... lol no

One reason we need him right now is for the growth of a lot of our younger guys on offense. Don't forget we have rookies playing major time at 2RB's a starting tight end, 1st time LT, Young WR's , and a 3rd rookie RB in Sanders.

Even if the team falls on its face during this initial stretch, part of Flacco's role here is to absorb that so the rookies don't have to.