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I think what you mean to say is less Ford. My hope is that as Judkins gets up to speed in terms of the offense and whatnot that we'll see Sampson's workload also stabilize which will result in less snaps for Ford.

I feel like whenever he checked in and got the ball he got stopped.

Ford stinks. That's established at this point. I've never seen someone fall down so easily

The main thing about Sampson at this point is he is really going to have to work on his blocking. You could certainly use him more on certain plays here and there but his poor blocking will limit his use at this point.

I cannot believe my boys blew a 10 point lead with 3 minutes remaining to lose this. Hats off to the Browns for not quitting.

Glad to see you post on here GBF. My friend is a huge Packers fan for like 55 years and he did say all last week that this is a trap game for them and I guess he was right. I like the Packers a lot and didn't razz him about the loss. I said it figures if the Browns had to do this to anybody it would be your team because we never win games like that, we just lose them!!! I will add though it feels so good to get a win. We haven't done that in a long while. It makes a Monday so much better!!!!

I think my Packers read their own press clippings thinking they we’re going to win by just showing up. When they seen they were ranked the top team in the power rankings it’s easy to overlook a 0-2 team especially when they play the Cowboys the following week. The Browns being on their Homefield were inspired and fired up facing a top team and brought their A game. The Pack looked flat as a pancake. I’m not taking anything away from the Browns though. They beat us and deserved the win.

Sampson definitely needs to work on pass pro. it's gotta be why he's not seen the field much

The fact is the Browns D simply shut them down. It's not a mystery or that the Packers took them lightly. It's not that the Packers read their own power rankings. It's not that they "looked flat". The Browns held Burrows to 17 points just two weeks earlier. Two out of three games is not a fluke. I like Green Bay myself but trying to lessen and undermine the accomplishment of the Browns defense by indicating if the Packers had been up for the game things would have been different is something you seem to be selling that I'm not buying.

Oh, I'm here - just not on your schedule.

This game was a great game and an earned win by fantastic defensive play. Congrats to Schwartz for putting together such a great game plan. ST stepped up to the plate, we just need more consistency. Great win that was not expected.

As for the offense, Stefanski's offense, it was putrid to be mild. Flacco continues to disappoint with a 55.56 QB rating this week and a 3-game QBR of 38.2 which is near to the bottom of the league. The Stefanski led offense is currently has the team 30th in scoring @ 46 points only besting 1-2 Atlanta at 42 and 0-3 Houston @ 38. As a team, 46 total points scored isn't going to cut it while allowing 68 during that same period makes us extremely lucky to be 1-2. Tied for 16th in the league in team points allowed will not make up for being 30th in team points scored.

Getting the win and the defensive play feels great. However, I can't ignore that the offense is horrible and that falls directly in Stefanski's and Berry's lap no matter how you want to spin it!

Def and special teams were awesome.
The pressure from our defensive front is very disrupting.

However, what is with Kev and his playcalling again.
Is it the line play and not being able to find time to look through progressions, is it we don't have receiver's that can get separation. Or all of a sudden Flacco has a noodle arm.
But the play calling has been atrocious

I think we were expecting resurgent play from our Oline, and it's just not happening. We saw the paper-thin depth we have at tackle, but KS also mentioned in his post-game locker room speech that Bitonio is banged up.

Whether it's age or injuries or both, this Oline isn't playing well. They've struggled to establish any sort of running game and the radio guys were constantly harping on how Flacco's internal clock was way sped up.


My hope is that Judkins coming up to speed will help us get defenses to worry about our running game.

I don't think it will be long until that bone you're gnawing on now gets taken away from you too.

I'll wait until that happens to see what you resort to next.

What's impressed me most about the defense is that the weather has been beautiful. IIRC, in 2023 the Browns started the season with a couple rainy games.

It started raining yesterday just in time for the Delpit INT

Meant to add... Appreciate your posts GreenBayFan ... Kudos.

You guys were the better team yesterday. You guys deserved it. I don’t mean to sound like I’m taking anything away from the Browns.

What if we somehow end up 3-3 or even 4-2 but the offense is averaging 13 pt's/game?
Do we continue with Flacco because we are winning?
Or do we switch Qb's because the offense still sux?

I’ve noticed that as well. He probably didn’t need to do much of that in college, but this isn’t college and he’ll have to develop feel and certainly attitude, as a pass blocker.

agreed lamp

I say that we switch to Dillon in that scenario because he gives the opposing D more to worry about. He may not have a stronger arm than Joe but it's good enough, he can scramble, make plays with his legs and can avoid the pass rush better.

My sentiments exactly. Some of our fans always moan when we win ugly, but never seem to take any credit away from teams that "get lucky" against us.

you are probably correct. We need the legs of a QB who can manage the pocket and make a few plays that way. I just think the first part of our schedule has not lined up for a rookie at all

We can always go back to Joe if DG falters. I hate saying this because I prefer not playing. a rookie QB, but if things don’t change soon….. bring on the kid.

Our O looks horrible. Bottom line.

awesome shot

lol, the cop was fired up, too !

Milk thank you for that video it put a huge smile on my face =)

I hate to say this but I think we have to have Flaco step aside for Dillon before he gets hurt. We have too many injuries on our O-Line and it's not enough to keep Flacco safe. I think at this point you put DG in BEFORE Flacco gets hurt so we have Joe later on if we need him and Sanders still isn't ready. At this point we need a more mobile QB to gain enough time to throw the ball. Flacco is not playing that bad. It's just he doesn't get enough time to actually plant his feet and throw downfield. Joe is only good if you can keep him moderately protected and that is just not happening.

It is what it is.

Just a few comments from watching the offense on All-22.

The offense looked better than last game's abomination. I know it's not saying much, however there were a few improvements.

Running game

1. Q did a very solid job of finding the holes and reading the blocks.

- There were holes to be had (by NFL standards), A few of the runs could've gone farther, however one missed assignment or not getting to the spot (usually on the LB) would stop it from being a big play.

- A mobile QB would be nice. I'm not talking Lamar mobile, just one that could be a threat to keep the D honest. We ran a couple running plays out of the shotgun. Basically, an option to hand the ball off or keep it. Obviously, Joe isn't going to keep it and hands it off Q with the play going right. The DE doesn't even give thought to Joe keeping it and crashes down and makes the tackle. The whole left side was empty with an at least nice chunk of yards to be had. A mobile QB would've either gained solid yards or at the very least gave pause to the DE who would have to honor the QB run.


Passing game

1. Let's start with the Flacco. Flacco missed about 3-4 big plays in the mid-range that could've gotten big yards. One of them was not the flea-flicker/screen pass with Tillman wide open down field. The play is designed for that and isn't a read the field. There were some open options. I would counter that statement in the individual areas below.


2. O-line - Communication still an issue. One caveat I will say is our starting tackles (Jones/Conklin) have been in and out. However, Lucas and Levenston are still getting at least some (if not all) reps in practice. Example: Packers are bringing 7 rushers, the Oline is blocking with 5. Levenston (on the right side of the line) has two defenders in front of him, the ball is snapped the line pass blocks left with Flacco sliding a little to his left. Levenston steps right to block the outside defender and at the same time Judkins chip blocks the outside defender and goes to the flat. The inside defender doesn't get blocked at all and Flacco has not time to throw. Why are we blocking the outside defender when the inside is more of the threat and also, Judkins is chip blocking to slow the outside guy.

- From the opening statement about open options, some of those options were not there b/c of either the DEs beating the Tackles or there was at least one play where Flacco couldn't step into his throw b/c of Lineman being bull-rushed into him, so he had to just get rid of it.

- Same as last game, the OL has trouble disengaging and picking up blocks. One example: ball is snapped, Pocic and Bitonio double the DT. Forgive me, I don't remember if it was the LB or DE that stunted around, and Joel should have disengaged after the initial block. The disengagement is slow, and the defender is passed Joel and disrupts the pass play.

- Consistency - frustrating b/c there are plays to be had and at times the line did well. The issue is there was most times one that would miss their block and would disrupt the play

- The Teller penalty on the last drive of the first half was terrible call by the Ref and killed a chance for some points.

3. WRs - Their youth (except for Jeudy) is showing. One positive with Flacco being under center is the recognizing the lining of the receivers. There were a few times where he had to tell an off-the-line receiver to line up on the line or waiting an extra second or two till everyone was set. During the game on tv, you could hear Flacco yelling for Tillman to come in motion.

- The route running needs improvement. There was one play where Thrash and Bond were in bunch formation. The ball is snapped and neither get into their breaks and freaking collide into each other 10 yards downfield. By watching Flacco, they were the primary/secondary targets. Flacco then has to adjust and scan the other side of the field (which was slow) and the play is dead in the water.

- Bro...stay on your feet! Last game, Tillman was the primary target on a play on a short post. He goes into his break and falls down. There was one play our two receivers on the right side (Flacco's primary looks) where both were on the ground either by being off-balance or slipping. Hard to execute a play when they're laying on the ground. There was at least one more play where a receiver was on the ground.

- The last play of the first half ending in an INT. I saw what happened, however I would love to know if Bond ran the wrong route or if it was correct. If it was correct, having two receivers running the same sideline up on a max protect doesn't make sense. The pass play went left, Bond ran more of a go route up the sideline and Jeudy ran an out and up. Bond's DB was in stride with him. Jeudy on his "up" was about 10 yards behind Bond. Jeudy has his man beat by a quite a few steps. The Safety was around midfield. The middle of the field had zero receivers that the Safety had to account so he broke to the two receivers and ended up picking the ball. If Bond would've ran a deep post back to mid-field, the safety would have to stay mid-field and Jeudy had an easy catch as the ball placement was on target, and he would've walked into the endzone. Instead, Bond's DB is there to make a play at the ball and the Safety is there in stride to pick the ball off.

Solid post. Thanks for the details ! This O is just anemic. Q helps the run game if we can be less hungry for four yard passes. Ski seems really self-limiting. If we are too dumb to execute playbook schemes, we need to fix our slackers. We need to keep our O driving longer. Seems too puzzling to our play caller. Remains pretty predictable.

Thanks, I do want to point out overall the offense does have a lot of promise. It might not feel like it as during the game we are in the moment.

We have a lot of rookies and/or 2nd year players in playmaker positions. They will have their mistakes, hopefully they will keep learning from those mistakes and improve.

Fannin has played well through three games. He had a rough blocking game this past game.

Bond has shown a couple big potential plays this past game. He was overthrown on a pass by Flacco. He was open for a deep post to the middle of the field that Flacco had to pull back b/c he couldn't step into the throw.

Judkins had a very solid to great game. His vision through the holes and jump steps were good to excellent.

Sanders played pretty well the past few games and shown he can make plays. His pass blocking has to get better.

Tillman has shown flashes. There are things he has to clean up.

KT Leveston actually did a decent job for really playing his first full game at RT

The key will be Flacco capitalizing on hitting the receivers and the OL giving him time to throw. Like I said, there were about 3-4 plays where Flacco didn't see the open receiver. There were also a few plays the line didn't give him the time for him to have the play develop. That can be attributed to the line missing assignments, but also Green Bay having an excellent DL too.

Holy heck. Geez, my heart was jumping out of my chest... Great win.

I love that clip of the OL yelling haha

I said during the game that it was so easy to tell if a play was a run or a pass. I had to stop at my mom's after church to take care of some stuff for her, and watched the 1st half there. I was calling run or pass on plays, and didn't miss a single one. (not even counting obvious down/distance plays) Our offense is horribly predictable, and has "tells" that never change. If a schlub like me can see that while sitting on the couch watching the game on TV, I would think that the pros could too.

one trend we have to ditch is the 3rd and short PA pass play for a deep shot. Teams are sitting on it

Maybe Detroit will be a little flat after their big win last night and we can pull off another upset.

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