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Clashes break out as Italians strike demanding action over Gaza

Clashes broke out on Monday after thousands of Italians took to the streets in towns and cities across their country in a day of solidarity with Palestinians co-ordinated by trade unions.

Milan and Rome saw the biggest crowds and tensions spilled over around the central station in Milan where some 60 police were reported hurt.

Italy's prime minister, Giorgia Meloni, who has come under fire from political opponents for her position on Gaza, condemned the scenes in Milan as shameful.

Although she has become increasingly critical of Israel's offensive in Gaza, Meloni has not gone as far as France in deciding to formally recognise a Palestinian state.


President Emmanuel Macron described his country's decision later on Monday as a "necessity".

Coming hard on the heels of a decision by the UK, Canada and Australia, Macron said his move would be the "beginning of a political process and a peace and security plan for everybody".

Paris says it is backed by countries including Belgium, Malta and Luxembourg, however two of the other big European powers in the G7, Italy and Germany, have not followed suit.



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Macron explains peace plan after recognition of Palestinian State

Israel has denounced Macron's move as a reward for Hamas, and its UN ambassador has called Monday's event a circus.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has insisted there will be no Palestinian state to the west of the River Jordan, and President Isaac Herzog said recognising one would only "embolden the forces of darkness".

French Foreign Minister Jean-Noël Barrot was adamant that his country's move was a "categorical rejection" of Hamas and he spoke of Macron's declaration as a "great diplomatic victory for our country".

Read more: UK says Israel must not retaliate against statehood push



A number of other European countries have already recognised a Palestinian state, including Spain and Norway last year.

Giorgia Meloni's government said recently it could be "counter-productive" to recognise a state that did not exist. However, she has infuriated political opponents on the left by not explaining her position on Israel in parliament.

While the UK, Canada and Australia were announcing their recognition of a Palestinian state on Sunday, Democratic Party leader Elly Schlein complained that the prime minister was giving a tame interview on national Rai TV about her favourite meal with her grandparents.

Monday's strike action brought together teachers, dockworkers and students in up to 80 towns and cities around the country.

There was widespread disruption to public transport as well as the big ports at Livorno and Genoa, a key metro line in Milan was shut down, and university students in Turin and Bologna blocked access to lecture halls.

Further protests took place in Florence, Bari and Palermo in Sicily, with strikers bearing slogans that read "Free Palestine" and "Let's block everything".

Anadolu via Getty Images People are seen in Naples during a national transport strike called by a grassroots union - holding a big banner that reads "Free Palestine"Anadolu via Getty Images
Workers took to the streets in many of Italy's biggest cities in pro-Palestinian protests

Some of the biggest crowds were reported near the big rail hubs in Milan and Rome, with at least 20,000 protesters turning out at Termini station in the capital.

Clashes erupted outside Milan central station after protesters called for a ceasefire in Gaza and burned a US flag. As protesters tried to move into the station, a fringe group of black-clad protesters began throwing stones, smoke bombs and metal girders at police.

In Bologna the main ring road was blocked and police used water cannon and tear gas to disperse protesters.

Milan Mayor Giuseppe Sala said the vandalism was unjustifiable "and certainly does not help the cause of Gaza".

Senior ministers expressed outrage at the attacks on police. Giorgia Meloni said it was "violence and destruction that have nothing to do with solidarity and that will not change a single thing in the lives of people in Gaza, but will have concrete consequences for Italian citizens".

LAURENT CARON/Hans Lucas/AFP Paris City Hall projected an image onto the Eiffel Tower featuring the Palestinian (L) and Israeli (R) flags, along with a dove holding an olive branch, in Paris on September 21, 2025LAURENT CARON/Hans Lucas/AFP
Palestinian and Israeli flags were projected on the Eiffel Tower on the eve of Macron's accouncement

Ahead of Emmanuel Macron's announcement, the Palestinian and Israeli flags were displayed on the Eiffel Tower in Paris on Sunday night. A number of town halls in France also flew Palestinian flags on Monday, despite a government order to local prefects to maintain neutrality.

Macron's high-profile move to recognise a Palestinian state later on Monday at the United Nations met with criticism from some of his political opponents.

Jordan Bardella, of the far-right National Rally, said it was a "mistake, while Hamas still holds Israeli hostages", and he pointed out that it amounted to "rewarding the atrocities committed on 7 October [2023], during the deadliest attack ever known by the state of Israel".

European Union officials have toughened their language against Israel in recent weeks. European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen called for an end last week to "the horrific events taking place in Gaza on a daily basis".

Although Germany is one of Israel's closest allies in Europe, its chancellor, Friedrich Merz, has become increasingly critical of Israel's military response in Gaza.

However, the government says Palestinian statehood is not currently up for debate, and Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul explained as he left for New York on Monday that "for Germany, recognition of a Palestinian state comes more at the end of the process. But this process must begin now".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

After the 2014 war and 2021 crisis, Hamas began planning an attack on Israel.[112] In 2022, Netanyahu returned to power while headlining a hardline far-right government,[113] which led to greater political strife in Israel[114] and clashes in the Palestinian territories.[115] This culminated in a surprise attack launched by Hamas-led militant groups on southern Israel from the Gaza Strip on 7 October 2023, in which more than 1,195 Israeli civilians, military personnel, and other foreign nationals were killed, and 251 were taken hostage into Gaza.[116][117] The Israeli military responded by declaring war on Hamas and conducting an extensive aerial bombardment campaign on Gaza,[118] followed by a large-scale ground invasion with the stated goal of destroying Hamas, freeing hostages, and controlling security in Gaza afterwards.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks

The October 7 attacks were a series of coordinated armed incursions from the Gaza Strip into the Gaza envelope of southern Israel, carried out by Hamas and several other Palestinian militant groups on October 7, 2023, during the Jewish holiday of Simchat Torah. The attacks, which were the first large-scale invasion of Israeli territory since the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, initiated the ongoing Gaza war.


The attacks began with a barrage of at least 4,300 rockets launched into Israel[28][29][30] and vehicle-transported and powered paraglider incursions into Israel.[31][32] Hamas militants breached the Gaza–Israel barrier, attacking military bases and massacring civilians in 21 communities, including Be'eri, Kfar Aza, Nir Oz, Netiv Haasara, and Alumim. According to an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) report that revised the estimate on the number of attackers, 6,000 Gazans breached the border in 119 locations into Israel, including 3,800 from the elite Nukhba forces and 2,200 civilians and other militants.[33][28][29] Additionally, the IDF report estimated 1,000 Gazans fired rockets from the Gaza Strip, bringing the total number of participants on Hamas's side to 7,000.[33][28][29]

In total, 1,195 people were killed by the attacks:[21][g] 736 Israeli civilians (including 38 children),[38][39] 79 foreign nationals, and 379 members of the security forces.[40][h][41] While attending the Nova music festival, 364 civilians were killed and many more wounded.[42][43] At least 14 Israeli civilians were killed by the IDF's use of the Hannibal Directive.[44][45] About 250 Israeli civilians and soldiers were taken as hostages to the Gaza Strip.[30][46][47][48] Dozens of cases of rape and sexual assault reportedly occurred, but Hamas officials denied the involvement of their fighters.[49]

The governments of 44 countries denounced the attack and described it as terrorism, while some Arab and Muslim-majority countries blamed Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories as the root cause of the attack.[50][51][52] Hamas said its attack was in response to the continued Israeli occupation, the blockade of the Gaza Strip, the expansion of illegal Israeli settlements, rising Israeli settler violence, and recent escalations.[53][54][55] The day was labelled the bloodiest in Israel's history and "the deadliest for Jews since the Holocaust" by many figures and media outlets in the West, including then-US president Joe Biden.[56][57] Some have made allegations that the attack was an act of genocide or a genocidal massacre against Israelis.[58][59][60]





***It's also worth noting that The Palestinian Authority backs a two-state solution but Hamas does not because it is opposed to the existence of Israel.

Recognizing Palestian should have notihing to do with Hamas. Hamas should be universally villified and any discussion on a free Palestian should be contingent on it being free of Hamas also.

As for why these countries are recognizing Palestine... it's easy (I'm choosing to use the same source as the OP for continuity):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

As of 17 September 2025, over 68,000 peoplehave been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry (GHM) and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as well as 217 journalists and media workers,[46][d] 120 academics,[49] and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 179 employees of UNRWA.[50] Scholars have estimated 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians.[6][5][7][51]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/24/hamas-condemns-abbass-remarks-over-gaza-hostages

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas says keeping the captives provides Israel with justification for its attacks on Gaza.

Hamas has condemned remarks made by Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas, who urged the Palestinian group ruling Gaza to release Israeli captives and lay down arms.

Senior Hamas official Basem Naim said on Thursday that Abbas’s remarks made a day earlier were “insulting”.


“Hamas has given the criminal occupation excuses to commit its crimes in the Gaza Strip, the most prominent being the holding of hostages,” Abbas said at a meeting in Ramallah, the PA’s seat in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

“I’m the one paying the price, our people are paying the price, not Israel. My brother, just hand them over.”

“Every day there are deaths,” Abbas said. “You sons of dogs, hand over what you have and get us out of this” ordeal, he added, levelling a harsh Arabic epithet at Hamas.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ecognised-Palestine-state-Netanyahu.html
Hamas declares ‘victory’ after UK recognition of Palestine

Hamas claimed victory on Sunday after Sir Keir Starmer awarded a 'prize for terrorism' by recognizing a future state of Palestine.

https://londonlovesbusiness.com/ham...nises-palestinian-state/#google_vignette

Mahmoud Mardaw, a senior Hamas official said Starmer’s announcement is a “a victory for Palestinian rights and the justice of our cause,” and the Telegraph reported that this will “send a clear message” to Israel.


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in 2006 Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections and was not recognized.
https://blogs.kent.ac.uk/carc/2018/03/01/mapping-the-fatah-hamas-conflict/


So... in 2007, Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip from the PA.

Today, Hamas controls the Gaza Strip.

Recognizing Palestine could turn into another military coup which would allow for Hamas to fully take over both states or worse... get elected as they were in 2006.

Hamas / Antifa cannot really tell a difference. They both are jihadists. They both wear black clothes, cover their faces, and are a terrorist organization. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck!

Who did ANTIFA invade, murder, rape and take hostage and torture? What are you smoking?

Are you sure you're not talking about ICE?

Those are sworn in American officers doing their duty to their country to protect and serve. You can show your disrespect all you want though.

You know, I've seen people smoke a lot of things. From streaks to ribs to brisket to pork shoulder to pork butt. You're first person I've ever seen smoke trump butt.

Hamas isn't the Palestinian people who are being slaughtered every day by Israel.

Hamas is also taking about 85% of all money and aid being funneled into Gaza. We hear crickets about that. Doesn't fit the narrative of the left. I thought our Ambassador to the UN laid that case out really well yesterday.

Let me lay out the case very well for you. The measure was presented not to say Israel should accept any current offer on the table. The measure was presented to show most of the globe wants a homeland for the Palestinian people and that Israel not invade and turn it into a police state and make it a part of Israel.

65,000+ people have been killed and the vast majority of them have been women and children. Not Hamas. But I do realize deflection is the brand.

If that was to happen October 7th, 2013, would happen again and again and again. I do not think that would be wise and just because the rest of the world wants it does not mean anything they do not get a say. Israel is a sovereign nation and has a right to defend their selves, and Palestine has not existed since World War 1. Gaza should be under Israel control and will be again soon. The war could end now if the 48 final prisoners would be released and Hamas would lay their weapons down. They are responsible for the war and what happened in Gaza but let's don't speak about that.

65,000+ dead and most were women and children. Palestine may not exist by name but the citizens of Gaza are Palestinians. Starving Palestinians and leveling residential neighborhoods wasn't about defeating Hamas. It was about slaughtering innocent Palestinians in an act of revenge. How many more dead bodies does Israel need to say it's enough? Defending yourself doesn't include occupying your enemies homeland and taking it for your own. That's conquering a nation. Not defending yours. That's how Russia became the USSR.

How many are left?

Gaza is part of Israel. It is not a foreign land. They tried to live peacefully with Gaza during Hamas control. Look where that got them. Now Gaza will be back into Israeli control. No more Hamas.

Thanks for showing your support for genocide on a message board for all to see what you have turned into.

No, Gaza is not a part of Israel. Not until Netanyahu occupies it with his military. Do you own a map?

It is not its own country. Not now and certainly won't be in the future.

So it is not in fact a part of Israel. Thank you.

The reality of the situation is FAR more complicated than you (or the person you're talking to) seem to want to admit.

The history goes back a very long way. That still doesn't change what is happening now. But there are certain people that have a hard enough time digesting one morsel at a time much less an adult size bite. That's why I have kept it limited and on as simple of terms as possible in this particular instance.

For such outrage over Palestine, people seem to have low IQ when it comes to what is actually happening and who is in control of what.

Stop talking that way about Day of the Dawg!