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This from the dude that Orchestrated the Jan 6th insurrection.

But I do agree,, it's gotta stop....

You should seek help. Seriously.

for what, pointing out the obvious?

For acting like a child 24/7.

A frickin church shooting has nothing to do with Jan 6. SEEK HELP.

It looks like the whole church burned down. WTH

One dead and 9 injured after gunman rams car into Michigan church and lights fire leaving people to burn alive

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rch-day-saints-grand-blanc-michigan.html

So terribly tragic... and disgusting.

Like Jan 6th

I guess this is actually just another Jan 6th thread.

Congrats on your TDS.

Nothing is going to change until something reasonable is done with guns in this country and mental health.
This is what we vote for-this is who we are.

I would also assume that this death count will go up. There were hundreds in that church and the guy drove into the building, starting shooting and he caught the church on fire.


Yesterday, a guy in a boat in NC picked off about a dozen people eating at a dockside restaurant.

Iraq War veteran Thomas Sanford ID’d as gunman who attacked Grand Blanc LDS church, killing 2 and setting it ablaze
By Joe Marino and Chris Nesi
Published Sep. 28, 2025, 3:48 p.m. ET

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Police on scene of horrific shooting and fire at Michigan church

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The deranged madman who killed at least two people and wounded eight others at a Michigan Latter-day Saints church is a 40-year-old Iraq War veteran who served in the US Marines, The Post can confirm.

Thomas Jacob Sanford rammed his Chevy Silverado truck into the building before opening fire on worshipers at a Sunday service of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc Township, Michigan.

The vehicle had two large American flags behind the cab and a set of deer antlers attached to the bumper.


In this image taken from video released by Julie J, @Malkowski6April, Massive flames and smoke rises from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc, about 50 miles north of Detroit, Sunday, Sept. 28, 2025.
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He also set the church ablaze, causing the entire structure to burn down. Authorities fear there may be more victims in the fire.

A Facebook post by Sanford’s mother says the gunman — who died at the scene in a shootout with cops — served in Iraq from 2004 to 2008.

He was killed minutes after the first 911 call came in. A Department of Natural Resources officer and a local township cop responded to the scene in about 30 seconds, authorities said.


At least two people have died, and nine others were wounded in the attack on Sunday.
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Thomas Jacob Sanford's Chevy Silverado pickup truck flying two American flags.
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Thomas Jacob Sanford’s Chevy Silverado pickup truck flying two American flags.
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Smoke fills the air around the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with visible damage to the building.
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Smoke fills the air around the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with visible damage to the building.
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Authorities later confirmed that Sanford, from nearby Burton, Michigan, is the lone suspect.

The source of the blaze was not immediately known, but sources told The Post that authorities found improvised explosive devices on church property, which a bomb squad was investigating.

A bomb squad was also searching Sanford’s house.

Cops said there were hundreds of worshippers inside the church when the attack began, with aerial footage showing an enormous plume of choking black smoke rising up from the structure as it burned.

Social media accounts believed to be connected to Sanford show he’s a family man, with a wife and young son.

A pickup truck surrounded by smoke and debris after ramming into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints building.
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A pickup truck surrounded by smoke and debris after ramming into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints building.
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Emergency responders at the scene of a mass shooting at a Church of Latter-Day Saints in Grand Blanc Township, Michigan, where one person is dead and nine others are wounded.
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The source of the blaze was not immediately known, but sources told The Post authorities found several improvised explosive devices on church property, which a bomb squad was investigating.
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Police block a road near a church shooting in Grand Blanc, Michigan.
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Cops said there were hundreds of worshippers inside the church when the attack began, with aerial footage showing an enormous plume of choking black smoke rising up from the structure as it burned.
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A dormant GoFundMe page from 2015 raised more than $3,000 for the couple’s now-10-year-old son who was born with congenital hyperinsulinism, or CHI, a rare, genetic condition where the pancreas releases too much insulin.

Pictures from the Sanfords’ Facebook page show the family smiling, posing in the beds of pickup trucks or in a field of tall sunflowers.

An unnamed witness told Fox 2 Detroit that the attack started at about just after the congregational hymn, when hundreds of people were inside the building for the 10 a.m. service.

Churchgoers reportedly heard a loud bang as the attacker crashed his truck into the church.

“We at first thought someone had accidentally crashed into the church, so we went out to help him,” the man told the local TV station.

Paul Kirby, 38, who also ran outside to render assistance believing it to be an accident, told the New York Times he saw the man getting out of the truck from about 10-20 yards away before he realized what was happening.



“He started shooting at me,” Kirby said, saying a bullet whizzed through a nearby glass door, clipping his leg with a piece of shrapnel.

He then rushed inside the church to find his wife and two sons before they fled through the back of the church and loaded as many people into their car as they could before speeding away.

Grand Blanc resident Tony Deck told USA Today that he drove by the church after hearing sirens and saw “at least four yellow canvases over dead bodies.”

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Thomas Jacbob Sanford in his Marine uniform.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/28/us-ne...-church-killing-2-and-setting-it-ablaze/

This is about the guy in North Carolina yesterday-


Southport mass shooting suspect identified as Nigel Edge after ‘targeted’ and ‘highly premeditated’ deadly attack on crowded North Carolina restaurant
By Ronny Reyes
Published Sep. 28, 2025
Updated Sep. 28, 2025, 11:05 a.m. ET

1.8K Comments
Gunman charged after ‘targeted’ deadly attack on crowded NC restaurant



The madman who “targeted” a crowded dockside restaurant in a “highly premeditated” mass shooting in North Carolina once identified himself as a wounded Iraq veteran and filed a slew of conspiracy-laden lawsuits earlier this year, according to authorities and records.

Nigel Edge — who​ changed his name from Sean DeBevoise in 2023 — was arrested Saturday night ​for launching his deadly assault on the American Fish Company restaurant in Southport Yacht Basin, about 30 miles south of Wilmington, when he suddenly sprayed bullets into the crowd of unsuspecting diners, officials said.

Nigel Edge was taken into custody Saturday night after the deadly attack at American Fish Company restaurant in Southport Yacht Basin.
Brunswick County Sheriffs Office

Three people were killed and eight injured, authorities said.


One of the wounded​ victims is still “clinging to life,” officials told reporters Sunday, ​adding that many who were at the restaurant last night were from out of state.

Edge, 39, was armed with a short barrel AR rifle, equipped with a suppressor, with a folding stock and scope, court documents charge.


​The suspect, described as a “lone wolf’’ by authorities, faces three counts of first-degree murder, five counts of attempted first-degree murder and five counts of assault with a deadly weapon.

The motive has yet to be determined, police said.

But records show Edge has been behind several bizarre lawsuits filed in North Carolina this year — including one accusing a Southport church of trying to kill him.


The suit, filed in May, claimed the Generations Church was behind a “civil conspiracy” masterminded by the LGBTQ community and white supremacist pedophiles to kill Edge because he’s “a straight man.”

In January, Edge filed a similar suit against the Brunswick Medical Center, accusing it of being part of a conspiracy launched by “LGBTQ White Supremacists” who were allegedly out to get him because he survived their attack in Iraq.

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An image collage containing 4 images, Image 1 shows A City of Southport Police official gives an update to the shooting outside the American Fish Factory on Sept. 28, 2025, Image 2 shows Police set up crime scene tape at the sight of the shooting in Southport, North Carolina, Image 3 shows The Southport Yacht Basin where a shooting took place in North Carolina on Sept. 27, 2025, Image 4 shows People enjoying drinks and conversation on the deck of the American Fish Company restaurant
3 dead, 8 injured after gunman on boat opens fire on crowd at dockside NC restaurant — person of interest detained
Both lawsuits were dismissed with prejudice, according to court records.

The wild claims in the lawsuits echo those detailed in a book written by ​Nigel when he went by Sean DeBevoise, “Headshot: Betrayal of a Nation,” where he claims that he was shot four times, including in the head, by friendly fire over an international conspiracy.

He claims he served in the Marines Corps and was deployed to Haiti and then served two tours in Iraq when he found himself in the middle of the conspiracy ring.

The ​Marine said he was wounded in two separate IED attacks during a 2006 tour in Iraq, along with a bullet wound that left shrapnel lodged in his head.

North Carolina authorities identified Edge as a combat veteran allegedly suffering from PTSD.

Law enforcement officials on the scene of an active shooter situation in Southport, NC.
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The gunman opened fire upon a crowd of unsuspecting diners at the restaurant Saturday night.

​The Marines did not respond to The Post’s request for comment and confirmation of Edge’s service.

He was previously seen on the red carpet accompanying “American Idol” star Kellie Pickler to the Country Music Awards in 2012.

Following the mass shooting, police said the gunman quickly took off on the Intracoastal Waterway and was spotted at around 10 p.m. trying to load a vessel along the marina on Oak Island.

He was arrested by the US Coast Guard​.

Edge was being held at the Brunswick County Detention Center without bond, according to court records.

He ​is due to appear in court Monday for an initial hearing.

Southport Police Chief Todd Coring said the investigation ​is ongoing as he asked for people to keep the victims in their prayers.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/28/us-ne...ter-deadly-north-carolina-attack-report/

I agree. That guy has gone off the deep end.