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- Our Special Teams is an embarrassment ... and has been for a long time
- The drops today are unacceptable ... once again
- Our OT situation is beyond dire
- Flacco needs to be benched at this point. Gabriel might be, but I doubt he's worse
- The defense was solid ... we gifted them 3 scores. But you could tell the Lions OL is the best we've seen

The game went pretty much how I expected - bummer.

We gotta switch QB's.

Our receivers gotta practice catching the ball.

O line is bad.

Judkins looks good.

Reminder: Next game is on at 9:30 am. Hopefully Gabriel will be at the helm.

- Browns got their fluke win out of the way last week.

- The offense continues to be unbelievably atrocious outside of Kev's patented opening drive script.

- More and more it looks like Stefanski is very limited in his abilities as a HC.

- Judkins provides the only spark on offense.

- If a situation calls for a drop, Jeudy is your guy.

- Tillman being injured is as reliable as the sun rising.

- The defense continues to give even a remotely competent offense a chance to compete and win games.

- Bubba Ventrone and his ST units are garbage. Why this goof still has a job is perplexing other than Kev doesn't want to fire him and admit another bad hire.

- Fanin Jr's worst game as a rookie

- Myles gave Sewell and Decker all they could handle today.

- The Lions offense didn't even have to do too much today. Just sit back and let the Browns beat themselves.

Off to London.

Also, time move on from Njoku. He's looks like he's put on weight and is slow. He adds little.

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The same 6 posters posting during game day

Yeah this team is exciting to watch

Pressed grapes today for wine

TV was on

No one really cared to watch

Hopefully Schwartz will be at the helm

Njoku does look slower. Sucks but his time is about done here

Njoku isn't slower. Dude is a young man. He'd thrive on another team.

This team's problems all start and end with one person. Their effort, focus, attention to detail, want to, execution is all a reflection of their coach. Stefanski wouldn't know how to win if someone gave him a road map. The culture under him is putrid.

And I keep hearing that if you start Gabriel you are giving up on the season or the vets would feel you are giving up on the season or it would send a signal to the team you are giving up on the season. What?! Why was he drafted and made the backup if you can't turn to him? And if he looks bad in practice, so bad that you would think it would be a downgrade to what is currently being shown on the field, which is about as bad as it gets, then the whole lot of them need to be fired.

The D did play well against a very good Lions O. Now 6-20 lifetime against the Lions. Nice even numbers. Maybe we can beat them in 4 years!!

Berry thinks you can be a playoff team with a average offense at best .shutdown Fannin and Judkins and their you go. They are the only 2 players that even remotely defenses have to gameplan for . Im waiting for the Tommy Rhees fanclub to show up. Rhees has no rhyme or reason for his playcalling
He just random picks out a play and sees if it works .
As good Graham as looked , bypassing Emeka Eguba was a mistake
DTs dont score TDs 4 games in the season looks done
And shame on the fans for letting Berry con them again thinking he was a
Good GM

I blame crucial drops by receivers, penalties, and bad special teams for the loss.

that's two games where drops and special teams loomed very large in the other team pulling away

Rees doesn't call plays.

I don't care anymore. After 40+ years as a fan, they've finally killed my fandom spirit.

Switching QBs will not help when we have receivers that can't catch. The Browns need to improve the offense through FA and the draft.

It doesn't matter who calls the plays when you don't have enough talented players on offense.

I hope in our next draft we can get a true #1 WR and a new offensive line. No QB is going to be successful behind this offensive line throwing to our WRs. Our WRs are catching less than 50 percent of the balls thrown to them. You can't win by passing the ball to our WRs atm.

Honestly, I think Gabriel might give a better chance to win but then I don't want DB or SS traumatized and ruined by playing behind this offensive line. It's just really bad. Really, really bad.

On the plus side the hardest part of our schedule is pretty much over. The Browns are not the only team that is going to be embarrassed by the lions this year so don't feel too bad about it.

we legit need an entire new offensive unit minus Fannin and Judkins. 5 new OL, new WRs, and of course a new QB

Live out of market so don't get to watch the games, so I have a question:

Flacco threw 2 interceptions.
Were they on him?

Long way to go before becoming a serious team.

I missed just about all of the 2H, visiting my Mom who's recovering from a surgery (she's progressing).

While I could point out the same as others, OL/QB/WR issues, I still find the team culture Berry/Stefanski have created about as exciting as disposable diapers and for the same reason. When I see the players on the field at game time, with the exception of the D (thank you Jim Schwartz for making accountable players), it seems the rest of the team is listless and directionless. No one seems to look cohesive or motivated; the Ravens are 1-3 also, but they are a vastly different team than the Browns.

It's getting unwatchable too fast, and Stefanski isn't the one to fix the team.

Just my opinion - have a great day all!

Hmm I thought Kevin gave up play calling.
If KS calls plays then Rhees must be the OC . But if this is KS's " offense " then
What is Rhees actual role then?
Is he the pass and run game coordinator?
For years KS has been given these labels like " gb whisperer " " offensive genuis"
I dont think him and Berry complement each other
Berry cant draft Difference makers and KS cant create
A scheme to get the most out of them .

I hate to type it out loud, but I must. It is arguable that the message here is an announcement from the players and points to the coach calling plays. Drops, penalties galore, lousy tackles, drops and more drops, ST are wretched (we punt). Where is the bar set. Dumb mix of plays. Flacco on goalie runs? TWICE? Does Ski learn from his mistakes? Has he adjusted much in 4 games?
Since last self-anointed play caller stint? His production limps along. What would you say has been fixed? As a trend, are we better or worse since starting the season? Unholy part of the schedule, but we are damning ourselves further. The mental toughness on O and the sidelines and ST show up as vulnerabilities. Hard to watch some of the decisions.

I can live with losing to another team who plays well, makes great plays, etc ... but we also lose from self inflicted stuff. The drops are out of control through 4 games. The special teams has been mostly bad for the past few years.

This offense would have trouble scoring in a Honduran brothel.

Jeudy needs to catch the ball. I mean, seriously, catch it, that’s why you’re paid big money.

We are wasting this defence because of crap play by the O and ST.

Carter might be done, so someone else may need to return punts.



OL gave JF more time, not a lot, but a little more- QJ ran hard. This is not an acceptable offense, bottom line.

I’d start Gabriel in Dublin, he might not do better, but it can’t get much worse.

The Browns have scored over 20 points in just 3 of their last 21 games (Winston was the QB in all 3 games). The Browns are 4-17 in that stretch.

The Browns are approaching Hue "Booty Skin" Jackson ineptitude.

Jeudy is a big part of our problem IMO. So unreliable

Thanks Milk

Looks like one wasn't his fault.
Jeudy fell down when the ball was in the air

The other left me saying WTF?!
Clearly miscommunicatopin with the Wr but dang,No matter what route the Wr runs that ball isn't even close

I agree. I'll watch the games, but not much emotional investment. I'll put that towards the team playing for something worthwhile

One was all on him. Like, I don't even know why he threw it there. The only thing I can think of is that it was a zone pass and the WR went to the wrong place. I mean it was really bad.

The second one, the defensive player tripped Jeudy but the ref didn't call it so I don't blame Joe for that one. I blame it more on Jeudy being a weak and pathetic WR who can't seem to catch the ball anymore and instead of fighting for the ball whines for flags all day.

Yep - for all the Berry supporters who cheered with his contract extension ... I just read this comment from an article on The Athletic:

""If you lined up DET Off starters and CLE Off starters and said "make the best lineup out of the two" you literally might have an entire team of DET players.""

I think I agree and - just my 2 cents but a damning reflection of Andrew Berry as GM.

For the game itself - after the first drive and a pick by #21 - almost nothing to cheer or feel good about. Okay - Judkins has flashed yet again. Carson Schwesinger also. The D is good. But when the O gives away points and looks so inept ... it's hard to watch.

yeah, Detroit is LIGHT YEARS ahead of us offensively. I mean they probably have 11 better starters than our 11 starters

I'd love to know the official story of that INT that was thrown to nobody except the defender.

1. In an offense as anemic as ours, pre-snap penalties and dumb mistakes are totally inexcusable.
2. Our offensive line is offensive. Backup tackles can't pass-block. Judkins was effective (~80 yards on 20 carries)... need to build off that, as we have no hope in the passing game.
3. Jeudy seems to be following the same arc as Cooper.

People are railing on Flacco, and I get it... but the bigger issue is Jeudy and the Oline. DG isn't going to solve the line's inability to block for downfield throws and he's definitely not going to fix Jeudy's stone hands. Tillman's inability to do anything of note besides get dinged obviously isn't helping either.

I get that moving on from Flacco is probably going to happen sooner rather than later, but I just don't see how that's going to help. Yes, you gain a LOT of mobility in the pocket, but you're also also going to regress in terms of being able to throw long. Overall, I just don't see a third round rookie riding in to save the day. I would LOVE to be wrong here.

Defense played awesome. Games like this have got to be frustrating as they played FAR better than the score would indicate.

I'd love to know the official story of that INT that was thrown to nobody except the defender.

1. In an offense as anemic as ours, pre-snap penalties and dumb mistakes are totally inexcusable.
2. Our offensive line is offensive. Backup tackles can't pass-block. Judkins was effective (~80 yards on 20 carries)... need to build off that, as we have no hope in the passing game.
3. Jeudy seems to be following the same arc as Cooper.

People are railing on Flacco, and I get it... but the bigger issue is Jeudy and the Oline. DG isn't going to solve the line's inability to block for downfield throws and he's definitely not going to fix Jeudy's stone hands. Tillman's inability to do anything of note besides get dinged obviously isn't helping either.

I get that moving on from Flacco is probably going to happen sooner rather than later, but I just don't see how that's going to help. Yes, you gain a LOT of mobility in the pocket, but you're also also going to regress in terms of being able to throw long. Overall, I just don't see a third round rookie riding in to save the day. I would LOVE to be wrong here.

Defense played awesome. Games like this have got to be frustrating as they played FAR better than the score would indicate.

Not sure the end would have been any better, but if you don't have the drops (specifically two of them) we would have made it a much closer game. We do have a winner in Jud

I felt like the drops were deflating to the team too (just like week 1). We still had a little hope, the D was playing well, we were within 10, getting into scoring range ...

Just curious. Where were you last week after the Green Bay win?

... also...

I'd love to hear what folks think our returner brings to the table. It doesn't top the list of our issues, but I don't know if I've seen a more underwhelming return man for the Browns. He muffed a fair catch, looks slow bringing the ball out, and I swear he intentionally runs directly into the nearest coverage guy.

I believe he also featured some questionable decision-making in the previous game.

Seems like he fits right in on our extremely underwhelming special teams generally.

Carter adds nothing of value to the return game. Great at fair catching the ball inside the 10 yard line. He now has a knee injury.

Well then. We will miss that output, neh? Tillman seems hurt regularly and Njoku disappeared. Let us cut anybody dropping excessively. We would lack about a quarter of our roster.

Seems to me if we just find about four "guys named Blake" and a couple PS WRs we'll be right back in this!

Tillman is the Tin Man

And the entire schedule looks like Flying Monkeys.

It does not matter who is the QB, that is a really bad OL.

Agreed. We have O-Line problems no doubt but if our receivers would CATCH the damn ball it would really improve things IMO.

I agree, but it would be nice to see Gabriel start and see what he can do.

And Depodesta is the wizard behind the curtain

I'm sure he can watch receivers drop the ball better than flacco.

On the face of things I can't disagree.

I do think that not having 3 first round picks has hurt Berry. That said, I also think that was very much a self-inflicted wound so I can't give him too much slack.

Remember that Joe got benched last year when playing for the Colts. I think we tried to catch lightning in the bottle again but failed.