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How would you fix and end the losing culture? Start cutting players who are not fully committed to winning? Clean house in the front office? What?

bingo. No QB, no winning, no culture. Funny how middling teams find their QB and they suddenly have great culture

It isn't that simple imo - we had a servicable QB. I think he was more than sevicable - but he had an attitude problem and he was injured. If all it takes is to find a good QB - we had one even if he came with some warts.

The issue is the FO. The roster on the offense is crap. As mentioned in the Post Game thread ... if you compare Det to CLE on the offense (probably) not a single CLE player would start for DET. That is a reflection of Berry. After 5 years this is Berry's roster...

Stefanski continues to show he's not able to adjust in games. He apparently does best when there are no expectations ... when we had a pretty stacked team he blew chunks.

I'd love to say Haslam needs to stay the hell away from the team - but he's the owner and no way to force that particular issue but I'd hope whoever comes in tells Jimmy to keep out of football operations and keep Junior from posting anything about the team and nothing from the locker room.

Just my opinion - the same opinion I have held since before KS and AB got contract extensions.

The veeeeeeeerrrrrry first thing though is when you have good players, hang on to them even if they're difficult and don't chase shiny objects or fall for short term, purely financial thinking. You can feel however you want to about Baker Mayfield and what he'd look like in Cleveland right now without his extra seasoning but I feel extremely confident saying we'd be much much (MUCH!) better off with the 3 first round picks and not having the massive financial anchor we hung around our own necks a few years ago. Just think of how our fate could have been different with 3 new 1st rounders, financial latitude to trade and sign quality, and if we were at least in the middle of the pack with real playoff expectations these last 3 years.

So, first thing: make a commitment to maybe stop shooting yourself in the face. That means having real checks and balances against the group-think and excesses of a football know-nothing owner. They needed louder voices in the room to say "hold up!" when they started the DW convos (or the Johnny Manzell, Freddy Kitchens, Hugh Jackson, letting Mitchell Schwartz & Alex Mack walk etc etc convos). Like, someone should be the reality-speak guy, the worst case scenario guy, the one to run the negative probabilities, and that guy should get real floor time, not pushed out of the room. Because if dumbs4!t old me could see the problems from 1000 miles away and no one in the building could..? Yeah, start there. I'm no genius. There are plenty of people who knew the DW deal was a colossally stupid move that was additionally executed in maybe the worst way imaginable. I mean, it just kept getting worse.

So, find the people that you've been ignoring but it turned they were right. Bring them in. Consult them before you do big things. As long as the current leadership trusts their own egos and instincts fully without reservation, they'll continue to blow holes in the bottom of their own canoe. I've been in senior management with enough companies for long enough to know that the organizations that have a faulty compass and no system in-house to course-correct, they fail. Sooner or later, but eventually, 100% of the time.. They may make some good decisions as they go, perhaps they limp along and get lucky here and there, but eventually they will turn and sprint off a cliff. The Browns are maybe the most classic example of that kind of organization.

j/c

A chef can only prepare a meal with the ingredients his boss purchases for him to cook with. Yet when people taste the meal they consistently blame the chef when in fact the product being served was prepared and cooked with foods he did not select. This is what it looks like when a chef doesn't purchase his own ingredients. Maybe it's not as much of the chefs fault as people would like to claim it is.

You can't open up a playbook by calling plays the players you have been given lack the ability to execute.

Baloney on the starts and ends on QB. ANY team has to have a decent/good roster thru and thru to win in this league. ANY weakness is EXPLOITED over and over again. We have lost our two starting offensive tackles- Mahomes would suck with Cleveland line. Other posters have mentioned important things- Barry has NOT drafted well- our O line has gotten OLD- Jeb was a complete lost opportunity. Giving up multiple first round draft picks for a sex offender- destroys a team. We hit on multiple draft players this year- D line and linebacker, our RB, if he can stop hitting women is a plus-- bottomline, unless we find some Tackles this year is complete waste....JMHO, at 1-3 Flacco should hit the bench- see what Gabriel is....we need to get much younger on O-line....next years draft picks must be used there or we'll kill the young QB....see what a 3rd Qb can do-- see if he has trade worth after this year.....cut Sanders.

Nobody said you didn't need a good roster. He said it "starts and ends" with a good QB. Of course you need a good roster but without a franchise QB you still won't get that far.

Our RB was not found to have hit a woman. Hopefully someone in the future will accuse you of something you didn't do and you will have to listen to the same kind of BS you're posting. Only then it will be about you. You've earned it.

Our RB was not found to have hit a woman.....You be a lawyer- not found---"According to Quinshon Judkins' account of the alleged incident, the argument with his girlfriend became physical when she slapped his hand after he pointed his finger at her, and also punched him. Judkins stated that he pushed and hit her back because he "didn't feel safe with the victim punching him as he was trying to drive and from the back seat," -- he stated he did hit the female.....he has poor judgement having had a continuing relationship with the woman-- I've never hit a woman in any context-- have you?

Losing culture- we can't give away first round draft choices with no return, we have a history of not doing smart thing when red flags are up and waving-- Manziel and Watson-- hopefully if we decide to pull the trigger again on QB we find and use background information to guide our pick.

If he comes out we should take a look at Dante Moore from Oregon. I'm sure they'll be others too but this kid looks good.

DUH by winning games.

You’re both right but in general very few will have the courage to admit they were wrong.

The owner recruits the the general manager, the GM draft players, signs FA, renegotiate contracts and independently or together with the owner recruits the the head coach, the HC select the team, independently or together with the GM recruits the OC/DC and rest of the coaches.

These three alone are 100% responsible for the culture, everything that’s connected to the organization and last, but not least, the RESULTS. 1 0 0 %

The Cleveland Browns aren’t unlucky. Read that again and reflect. Bad results are a consequence of bad decision makings. Bad decision making is done by the The Haslam family, Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski.

The question must be asked. Is the Cleveland Browns a serious organization or just a toy for a rich owner?
I thank my God that I’m not fully emotionally invested in this. I want them to win but as long as I see this incompetence I keep my heart and soul out of this mess.

How is he processing what's in front of him? Accuracy?

There was video evidence that she faked those photos and there were no marks or bruises on her after the incident. If he "hit her" it was so mildly it didn't even leave a mark. Please provide a quote from Judkins that says he hit here. I have seen nothing of the sort anywhere.

Joe Flacco’s last couple of seasons stats wasn’t a hidden secret. His age was also well known.

With these information available even an IQ 70 handicapper could foresee that his decline was inevitable rather way sooner than later.
Despite that the Browns once again tried to bet against the odds. Four games later…..

Unwise decisions like this is the offspring of lack of culture and incompetent management.
Nobody could say that this couldn’t have been avoided.

Week 5 it’s time for another bingo card.

With an extremely weak oline the chances for a young rookie to succeed is probably all time high, or….. maybe, less good.
I really hope that Dillon Gabriel survives a couple of weeks as a starter without getting slaughtered by a “welcome to the NFL moment” or an incompetent leadership, time will tell. (he deserves better)

Culture was the key word, or maybe lack of it.
Another couple of losses later maybe it’s time for even the most stubborn to talk about changing the upper management!?

He would probably promote something that looks good in hindsight. That or he would be saying how stupid it was to draft *insert QB's name* in round 1. In case you missed it there's a trend in play here.

This group won't call for regime change. They will just continue to make excuses.

What excuses exactly do you feel anyone needs to make about this years draft? Their first three picks all seem to be doing quite well.

Maybe you should consider the context of the question being addressed? Nah, that wouldn't play into your agenda.

Both of our OT's are injured. I know that's something you wish to ignore as well.

So when the front office decides to not invest in any offensive line and roll out often injured ageing players that we've seen time again be hurt.... We shouldn't hold that against the front office and Andrew Berry?

Are you trying to say they didn't draft good players in positions of need? What I'm saying is that this roster had huge needs at several positions and you can't fix it all in one off season. I'm also saying this was a very weak draft class at the OT position. Drafting inferior players at positions of need isn't helpful.

You are ignoring the one little fact. This is year 6 for Berry and Stefanski!!!! How many years do they get? In 6 years, they have no QB, No Offensive lineman, and very little at wide receiver. Is that anyone else's fault than these two?

I agree Berry had a fantastic draft in 2025. He made a great trade to start that draft. But his moves 2020 thru 2025 has led to the team being where it is. True?

Stefanski has had 2 great season 2020 and 2023. What has he done besides those two years to get the grace period he is getting? He has worked with Baker Mayfield, Jacoby Brissett, DeShawn Watson, DTR, Joe Flacco, and a fee others. How many chances to find MR QB does he get? Should he not be held accountable that in 6 seasons he has not found his QB? Many QBs on this list played better before or after Stefanski.

When did Stefanski start drafting the players and signing FA's? In 2023 he was working with a QB they brought of the couch and a below average roster and somehow still made it work.

Are you the same guy that complains at the restaurant when the meal is bad while the chef was given bad ingredients to work with? Because that's the problem here.

I don't disagree with you in terms of this FO. They assembled this poorly qualified roster. And the watson debacle is a huge part of where we are now. That's on them.

It's up to Berry to find "MR QB". And mujch like yourself I'm not confident in him being able to do that job..... again.

I'm not ignoring anything. What I'm not going to do is blame the HC for the GM not doing his job well.

You do understand the difference in the responsibilities between the GM and the HC, right?

But once again, these things have nothing to do with a question about this past draft.

Exactly!

Five seasons of all imaginable mismanagement gives you a situation where the Browns don’t even have a realistic chance to draft or sign a top 30 NFL QB.
In your own words. ‘What options were available”.

That’s a gigantic failure of epic proportions.

I said almost directly after last season that the 2025 season is lost.
Even a limping schimpans could have foreseen that.

What was the point of force Garrett to stay when the team has an offense side so bad that they can’t even score a TD even if the opposition closed their eyes and played with their hands behind their back.

Even if some of Berry’s draft pick 2025 has turn out to be good the team as a whole is still a disaster.
The results give you the picture. More than five seasons after Berry and Stefanski’s arrival.

WTF is that if not incompetence beyond belief. Tell me!