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I am about ready to be done with the Stefanski experiement. He was about as creative as one of the rocks in my landscaping in my yard. His playcalling and decision making were abysmal, especially in the final 2 minutes of the game.

I thought that Gabriel was OK, especially for his 1st game, in difficult circumstances.

OK, it's been 6 hours since the game ended, when is the draft forum opening?

yeah unfortunately we've seen the KS offense and it is kinda grown stale. It's got very little ceiling to it

"We're going back to the Stefanksi offense!"

It is stale and it has been stale.

The Browns had zero turnovers. The defenses forced two turnovers and Judkins rushed for over 100 yards and they still managed to score only 17 points.

Meanwhile, Baker is now a top 5 quarterback. These idiots couldn’t make it work with him, and we’re all supposed to just agree that he was immature and had to move on to become great. But we were there: he had one of the greatest rookie years a QB ever had. They saddled him with terrible coaches and new coordinators every year, but he still produced. And when he played hurt, they trashed him. They treated him like garbage while they went after the pervert. There is no case for keeping Berry and Stefanski.

Grab someone from the San Fran , rams coaching tree and go

Baker himself admitted it was what he needed to grow up and be who he is now

Seeing Gabriel next to Wentz after the game..

It was like a pro player next to a high school QB

Gabriel seems so much more mature than the 2018 Baker

The Browns might have a Baker who lots wish they still had

Again just one game.

There were many reasons why the Browns didn't win

I wish all games started at 9:30 am

A pot of coffee and a football game to start the day was nice

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Pittsburgh in the divisional

we will draft in the top 5 IMO. If we can't win a game against a depleted team who gives us 2 TO's, a missed FG ... we won't win many

It looked like "take your kid to work" day.

Great way of saying it

Just looking at a few clips, there's no way we trot out the same LT next week. He had to have graded out at like a 0

From The Athletic:

Addison, who didn’t play in the first quarter due to a coach’s decision, finished with five receptions for 41 yards and the game-winning touchdown. Wentz finished 25 of 34 for 236 yards and a lone TD. Vikings coach Kevin O’Connell said after the game that Addison missed a walkthrough earlier in the week.

“Those types of things aren’t in alignment with our standards, and I wanted to make sure he was held accountable for that,” O’Connell said. “But at the same time, he knows that. I thought he handled it professionally. He spoke with the team to let them know that whenever I gave him the opportunity to go in the game, they could count on him, and he makes the game-winning catch.”

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How the Browns were unable to take advantage of this is remarkable.

At one point Sunday afternoon, the Vikings were playing their third-string left tackle, third-string left guard, third-string center and third-string right tackle. Still, they managed to eke out the game.

Lol KT Leveston has to be the worst LT in NFL history.

I know Cam Robinson probably isn't any good either, no way anyone is trading a good offensive lineman away at this stage of the season. But he can't possibly be worse.

Don't remember exactly how it went, but watched him not touch anyone on a sack. The defense ran a stunt and he was dumbfounded. He has to go.

God bless Gabriel, he was pretty decent today against a good defense.

Stand him next to me. He will look like a giant

It really was a disgusting loss. A bunch of back up offensive linemen for the most part dominated our so called dominant defensive line.

We dont have any receivers that can create consistent separation. Thats why we rely so much on our tight ends.

Stefanski using our last two timeouts and giving the vikings more time to run thwre game winning drive instead of forcing them to use thier last timeout and put the pressure on them was one of the dumbest coaching decisions I have ever seen.

While we were chasing Pickett and Flacco, we could’ve signed Wentz. Not that he’s great, but he would’ve been a much better option than either of those two.

It seems like that. Then again the saved time at least gave us a chance at the end. A slim chance, but a chance.

I think that was a classic case of being damned if you do, damned if you don't. Either way he was going to have people condemning the decision unless we somehow won.

What lost the game at the end was the Viking seemingly easy TD drive.

KOC showed the right way to beat our defense (Seattle did this a few years ago, Houston did it in the playoffs, Colts did it a few years ago etc) ... misdirection, quick passes, attack the edges, use Myles against us, etc

Our defense adjusted, but as always, ran out of gas it seemed. No pressure to speak of the last drive

I know we got him from the Rams I think for a 7th round pick. Maybe we can try him at guard I heard he was an aggressive run blocker.

I said he's the worst OL we've ever had (think about how BAD some of our OL were from like 99-10 too)

Once again, we see that no lead is safe with our secondary. We are late, slow, and out of position, especially in the red zone. No press off line.
We have a handful of guys wasting efforts of this team. KS is really hurting us. Repeatedly. So, who are we tanking for?

It seems we cannot carry him enough, even with the help we gave him. ST are still spotty on a good day. We will waste some newly-found weapons on O with KS .

ST cost us again. Lavardain letting it roll to the 1 and then Sunahara not even needing to touch it, but then having his foot in the end zone. Just dumb

Like everyone else < this was a very disappointing loss . I am over Kevin Stefanski . On a side note I had to listen to this game on the radio and I also was not impressed with Andrew or Nathan . They made it very hard to visualize the game as it was being played if that makes sense ?

I thought DG played well, considering. I finally got around to watching the second season of Quarterback on Netflix, and there were several remarks about playing a Brian Flores defense on a short week (which we essentially did with the extended travel). He had some misses, but I felt like DG showed it wasn't too big for him.... I feel like that could be a big positive as we exit this hellacious starting stretch of our schedule.

Judkins can ball. This cat is the real deal and the cherry on top would be pairing him up with another capable back to create a relentless tandem. I feel like whenever he steps off the field and Ford comes in the running game grinds to a halt.

Defense was really disappointing. Not sure how a 2nd/3rd string Oline and Wentz can put the alleged #1 NFL D on skates and march straight down the field when they need to. It's not fair, but this D is supposed to carry this team and those last couple drives just weren't it.

Oline is bad AND undisciplined. Announcers were saying we were swapping Leveston and Robinson throughout the game... I know that sucks in terms of getting settled in, but the last thing this offense needs is getting sent backwards by procedural errors. Our Oline is in a bad state and there's not much we can do about it prior to end of season.

WR room is equally bad, but at least we can lean more on our TEs. No way we can let Njoku walk with a Jeudy-led WR room. And with Tillman hurt and ineffective, he's really all we got. Bond seems to be coming along nicely. My hope is that as the season progresses the offense will start to open up with DG and we start pushing the ball downfield a little more.


The missed opportunity for a win hurts, but we have a lot going on this year. I was NOT a fan of starting a mid-round rookie against a defense like Minny on what was essentially a short week, but I gotta admit that he was pretty low on our list of issues.


Biggest takeaway of the day, however, is that my birria recipe still slaps.

They are atrocious. I remember listening last year while traveling for work and it went something like:

"He drops back, looking, touchdown. In comes the kicker to try the extra point." - Siciliano

"You just can't have that." - Zegura

Never said who caught the TD, who was in coverage, etc..

-The defense didn't provide a whole lot of pressure considering their OL injuries.
- Our LT is putrid. I cannot imagine him starting another game.
- I thought Gabriel had a good game as a rookie...something to build on and perhaps the playbook opens up a bit more as a result.
- Judkins had another good game.
- Garrett had his once-a-game offsides. It's the most consistent thing to this team.
- Rookies continue to show promise even though it doesn't result in a win.

Holy Jalisco! We need to get this man to a tailgate!


Missed the game yesterday as I was out of town. Occasionally checked the scoreboard on my phone since I figured I would watch after-the-fact to see DG's debut (in the past I would sequester myself from all info because I would be sooo excited to come home and watch the game).

After looking at the stats and reading here, probably not. Not because he sucked, mostly because my state of apathy has reached the point of looking at this charade from a sheer standpoint of investing my time.

Funny, I checked in to see us up 20-17 and saw the Vikings were getting close enough for a game-tying FG. Told my wife it was probably going to OT. Checked-in a few minutes later and lol'ed... "Nope, we figured it would probably be easier to just let them go ahead and score a touchdown". 🤣

I like that your memory took a glass-half full approach. Believing the Browns actually scored 20 points in a single game. Too cute!

Lol. Yep. Can't even recall the score correctly!

Sheesh.

Gabriel looked pretty good. Not great but for a first start I have to give him credit. No turnovers and 2 td's. DG was smart enough not to force the ball. When the WR wasn't open he threw the ball away. It doesn't look sexy but turnovers and sacks look much worse. It seems as though what I expected played out. You don't call plays that overwhelm him in his first start against a very good defense. You start out with the basic and safe as a foundation and build your way up from there. People claiming they should have opened up the playbook in this kids first NFL start against this defense are not being objective about it.

Judkins is running well. He broke 100 yards. That's a positive that will bode well moving forward. With the lead late in the game the D seemed to just roll over. The Vikings marched right down the field with what seemed to be of little effort. I have no idea what happened there. This vaunted D-line overall got very little pressure on Wentz.

Zac isn't wrong - but he was a very vocal proponent for ousting Baker ... at the time he wrote many articles essentially saying the Browns and Kevin Stefanski were only being held back by one thing - their (injured) QB.

I feel like there's a lot of that going on (romanticizing Baker's time here).

To an extent, I agree....I'm not going to rehash the Baker now vs then argument.


I think putting this loss on the offense is an odd take. We had the lead going into the last drive and we allegedly have the top defense in the league. Despite the line being a mess and a rookie QBs first start, we were just 1 defensive stop away from getting a win against a good team.

Yes, the offense sucks and the offense is KS's baby... but the reality is this year is going to go exactly how far the defense can carry us.

The league scoring average is 23 points a game. The Browns defense gave up 21 points. Under the league average. I just don't believe you can pin this loss on them for giving up the late drive. How much more can we ask of them. If the Browns offense was just average and scored 23 points a game the team would be 3-2. The 1-4 start is all on Stefanski's offense.