They gave up 2 points less than league average to an offense led by Carson Wentz and backup and 3rd string Oline. The "#1" defense did that.
The #1 defense had the lead and needed 1 stop vs largely backups and got walked down the field. They didn't even hold them to a field goal.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Yet the Browns D was rated #1 going into the game. That isn't "league average".
They held their opponent under the league scoring average. That is what great defenses do. The sorry offense could only muster 17 pts. even off two forced turnovers from the defense. I guess you want the defense to start blocking and catching passes now.
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I feel like there's a lot of that going on (romanticizing Baker's time here).
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Well now he isn't here, he's kind of like the back up QB... much easier to love the player that isn't starting syndrome. I've always liked him as a Brown, thought despite the immaturity he was a good QB and sort of epitomized the character of the city with his play. The Bottom line he is gone.
I think KS / Offense gets a good portion of the blame for so many short series making it harder on the D ... Zac clearly questioned some of the play calls (as did the announcers to be fair)... but again, bottom line is that the D had a chance to stop them on the final drive and didn't. Kudos to the Vikings - per these stats, they had an excellent game plan to overcome their OL situation and executed.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I feel like there's a lot of that going on (romanticizing Baker's time here).
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Well now he isn't here, he's kind of like the back up QB... much easier to love the player that isn't starting syndrome. I've always liked him as a Brown, thought despite the immaturity he was a good QB and sort of epitomized the character of the city with his play. The Bottom line he is gone.
I think KS / Offense gets a good portion of the blame for so many short series making it harder on the D ... Zac clearly questioned some of the play calls (as did the announcers to be fair)... but again, bottom line is that the D had a chance to stop them on the final drive and didn't. Kudos to the Vikings - per these stats, they had an excellent game plan to overcome their OL situation and executed.
Good coaching!!!
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Yet the Browns D was rated #1 going into the game. That isn't "league average".
They held their opponent under the league scoring average. That is what great defenses do. The sorry offense could only muster 17 pts. even off two forced turnovers from the defense. I guess you want the defense to start blocking and catching passes now.
That might be ok for an average/mediocre defense. Are you subtly trying to say the defense is not as good as most people are saying? I would argue that the personnel the Vikings had pass-blocking and throwing, just barely doing better than league average would be bad for even an average defense.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
They blew a late game lead. Simple as that. Maybe that's just a little bit too simple for you. The Vikings marched right down the field on them with little resistance. You know, by that offensive genius QB Carson Wentz.
It happens. Just like you blame the offense when they can't make a late game scoring drive to win. Or does it only work in one direction for you?
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They blew a late game lead. Simple as that. Maybe that's just a little bit too simple for you. The Vikings marched right down the field on them with little resistance. You know, by that offensive genius QB Carson Wentz.
It happens. Just like you blame the offense when they can't make a late game scoring drive to win. Or does it only work in one direction for you?
If not for the defense the Browns offense would have only posted 3 pts. The offense scored the other 14 off turnovers forced by the same defense you say lost the game. Without the defensive effort there is not late game drive.
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So when they don't score it's the fault of the O and when they do score you give the defense credit for it. I see and so does everyone else.
The only touchdowns the offense had were off of the two turnovers produced by the defense. Why is that so hard to figure out? The Browns offense only scored 3 points driving the length of the field. Gabriel was Stefanski's handpicked QB according to sources around Cleveland. He did not turn the ball over. That was good. He did not lose the game, but he did not win it either. He really did not throw the ball down the field either or over the middle. If he is going to be QB, he must throw the ball down the field and over the middle. Also, the offense could not get a first down when they got the ball late. Blaming the defense for this loss is ridiculous. They held their opponent under the league scoring average and set up the majority of points the offense achieved. The offense scored well under the league average, but you don't blame them. I get it through. The Browns have scored under the league average 21 of last 25 games except with Jamies Winston was at QB so it is your expectations to be average.
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So you're saying this defense is average. Weird take.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
So you're saying this defense is average. Weird take.
How am I saying it is average? I am saying they held an NFL football team offense under the league scoring average. That is not easy to do. Look at the scores. Unless you're defending a Kevin Stefanski offense then it is a little easier to accomplish.
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So you're saying this defense is average. Weird take.
How am I saying it is average? I am saying they held an NFL football team offense under the league scoring average. That is not easy to do. Look at the scores. Unless you're defending a Kevin Stefanski offense then it is a little easier to accomplish.
The offense they barely held under league average featured a backup QB and backup/PS Oline. That's NOT an average offense. What do you think would've happened if the D played like they did against the Minny starters?
You're being deliberately obtuse when you say an above-average defense holding a below average offense to average-level scoring is ok.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
There were a bunch of us watching the end of that game in an Uncle Bills department store. Rashad was one of my favorite players -- until that day. We had the opportunity to win the division that day; I was gutted when the banner crossed the screen showing the Vikings as the NFC Central Division Champions. What a strange twist of fate.
We went on to beat the Bengals and win the division the following week. In true Kardiac Kids fashion, the lead tied or changed six times before we kicked the game winner with under two minutes.
So when they don't score it's the fault of the O and when they do score you give the defense credit for it. I see and so does everyone else.
Again, both touchdowns came off drives started by defensive forced turnovers and gave the offense the short field. That is where the defense gets credit, they set the offense up. I will give the offense credit for scoring on those opportunities presented to them by the defense. That is complimentary football. Now can the offense drive the length of the field and score. They only provided 3 points last week doing that.
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So the team did their job on both sides of the ball. Thanks.
So why did the offense not drive the length of the field and score more? That is why the team lost Sunday. The defense did their job and held the team under league average. Special teams did their job. The offense continued to underperform. That is the bottom line no matter how you slice the team's performance.
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Let me know when the OL can protect a QB long enough to be calling plays that take time to develop. I think Mr. Dink and Dunk would be a good name for you.
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