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No more Newsome celebrations. Beginning of dumping players with expiring contracts?

Wowza. This is bizarre!

I don't think there's any doubt this makes the Jags better. By default, that makes our 1st round pick worse.

Big contract for a guy that has under-performed the last two seasons. Hamstring injuries have plagued him.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72413/tyson-campbell

The Battle of Wits has begun. "If you're going to improve you're team, thus devaluing our future draft pick, we shall ensure we tank our own pick!"

Plus we gave them a better pick swap.

Is this AB thinking that we couldn't afford Newsome in the offseason?

The tanking has begun. Wonder how Garrett feels. Wonder if he wishes he did not sign that new contract

Ah right. We're now in double secret 4d chess territory.

We'll trade for a worse player, but...we'll pay him more AND give up a better draft pick. That will fool them!

Ward,Emerson,Newsome and Harden WAS a pretty good top 4 at corner. But hey, they were probably making our WR group feel bad at practice. Gotta pump up their confidence. This will do the trick.

Besides we're tanking for Arch Manning......wait, I meant Drew Allar......wait wait wait

not shocked - Basically, we extended Newsome for 3 more years vs resigning Newsome for 90 mill.

Campbell is basically the same player in a ton of different ways from height, weight, age as Newsome plus, his contract is not terrible. *void years are not great.


Basically, we extended Newsome for 3 more years vs resigning Newsome for 90 mill.


worst case...
Tyson Campbell has a potential out in 2027, 3 YR, $46,968,941; $13,840,000 dead cap hit.

With the Jaguars absorbing the remainder of Newsome’s salary, and with the amount that the Jaguars have already paid Campbell from his 2024 extension, the Browns are getting Campbell for 3 1/2 years at a discount for a comparable if not better player.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...-tyson-campbell-and-a-swap-of-picks.html

In addition to the signing bonus, the Jaguars gave Campbell a restructure bonus of $12.4 million in 2025, as well as a workout bonus of $500,000. The Browns owe him the remainder of his $1.5 million base salary for this season, his $1.616 million base in 2026, and bases of $15 million in 2027 and $14.5 million in 2028. He’s also due $1 million a year in bonuses over the next three seasons, for a total of about $37 million for 3 1/3 years, less than half of the extension.

At times, Newsome looked quite capable, but horrible at other times. I didn't like his play and won't miss him. Can't say much about Campbell except I rread that he doesn't play well with his back to the ball. We'll see....

Meh -

The finainces work - but that hardly matters. The only thing that matters is how Campbell plays in a Browns Uni. I'll wait and see and watch for myself. Newsome wasn't perfect - but he was pretty damn good. He had a pretty good game against Jefferson who I consider to be the best (or top 3) WR in the NFL the other week.

With a team with a chrocnically bad OL and a #1 WR who seems to constantly drop the ball in clutch situations ... this move very much uninspiring at the momement.

Upgrade at CB1? Yikes....Newsome is not a CB 1.

I thought we'd trade Newsome last year, so I'm not surprised by this. Not fully aware of Campbell's recent performance but Newsome was inconsistent to say the least and expected we'd let him walk this offseason if not for the trade.

Newsome was probably going to be moved back to the slot next season when Emerson can return. He wants to play on the outside not in the slot. Not to mention he has talked about wanting 20 million a year for an extension. This locks up a starter at Cb or in the slot for a lot less money. Lets hope it ends up being a good trade for us.

I will have to wait and see Tyson Campbell play before I pass judgement. Going into the season I thought Newsome was average at best and very replaceable. With Emerson going down I think he has done a great job opposite Ward and was setting himself up for a nice pay day. He has played great in 2025. Probably the best he has played since he was drafted. If Campbell can play like Newsome is playing now and the Browns have him on the cheap for 2 more years it was a great trade. If Campbell does not play well and is a hole opposite Ward and the team is forced to spend capital on corner in the off season that they need to rebuild an offense it will be a bad trade. Even if Emerson resigns with the Browns 2026, he will not be 100% from an Achilles injury to be the corner opposite Ward.

strange trade IMO. I understand the theory, but like everything else in our franchise, it's just random lol

That new contract gives him the right to more or less pick his landing spot. I think he is very happy he signed the deal.

I think he and his agent are already talking with Berry about what parameters the Browns want so they can start talking with other teams about a trade. Berry will talk. I don't think the Browns want this to become a media issue.

I'd say the odds of Garrett finishing this season with the Browns is about 50%, if that high. The odds of starting next season with the Browns about 15%.

We know that Garrett wanted out, and IMO it wasn't about money. The problem the Browns have with Garrett is it is hard to build a team around a defensive end, much like it is hard to build around a great LT.

which contending teams need pass rush/DL help?

I'm glad Breer mentioned scheme fit. It seemed like Newsome was better in zone. Seemingly, Campbell is the opposite.

We'll see.

What will also be interesting to see is how this now affects (if at all) more cap space to rollover into 2026 from Newsome's remaining salary that I'm guessing Jacksonville will be taking on, while still having to eat Campbell signing bonus over the years based on how they amortized it. All of this I am not sure of.

So, if correct, $8.2MM to potentially roll over from the difference of Newsome and Campbell's 2025 dollars into 2026???

Supposedly there was also a scheme change that he didn't fit so well.

I have to say I'm in total shock!

Not because of the trade but unless I missed it somewhere thus far nobody has tried to place the blame for this on Stefanski!

Is Bert just talking out his tuchus?

Twice now with the same comment that adds .... nothing.

Still a bit miffed I see.

He gets blamed for everything else. I mean you know, he has equal say on everything, right? I mean he must have agreed on this trade since they all work together in a consensus, right?

Once you weave a fable don't be surprised when later it comes back up. I didn't create the fable to begin with. Just pointing out the obvious frivolity of it.

Jags supposedly switched defensive coordinator/scheme this off-season. They now play more zone coverage.

Fun fact: this is the third Jax DC in as many seasons.

LOL ... You are woefully wrong. I'm just pointing out you now have 3 posts trying to start a fight where absolutely none existed. That is called trolling.

Well that remains to be seen. Yes the $$$ works - but if the player ends up being not good as the guy we shipped out, it just creates another hole. If he ends up playing as well or better - then it was an excellent move.

We got rid of Joe Hadden because of $$$ - he then played another 5 seasons in Pitsburgh at a pretty good level with many on this board bemoaning our decision.

And - just to highlight - we have a lot of posters who continually espouse the salary cap being a non factor even after we signed DW. Decisions like this highlight exactly how and where the salary cap comes into the decision making process.

So did you not claim that Stefanksi had equal say with Haslam? That his only boss is Haslam? That he has equal responsibility in the decision making? That Haslam listens to both Stefanski and Berry equally? I'm pointing out the very things that were posted and you don't like it. But hey, blame me for that if it makes you feel any better. You sure as hell don't have any other defense for it. Shoot the messenger is a tactic that's worked out pretty well before.

Decisions like this is how salary cap can remain (to an extent) not a factor despite the Watson contract. It is more of a gamble, though... given the guy we got is coming off of a down year.

Agree - something of a gamble, and I do not hate the idea/plan. I haven't ever heard of the guy till today... I'll wait and see how he plays.

Bone - agree. Also read somwhere someone speculating MG is a possibility this year and maybe only 30% chance of being on the team next year.

I understand at this point that's all you have left. An emoji. Because everything I posted I have receipts for. Thanks for playing. I'll try to come up with a consolation prize for you.

I'd be VERY surprised if they are switching direction to a full rebuild. The story is that they swapped corners to be on teams that run systems better suited to their strengths. Browns gave up a little draft capital but it's offset by cap relief. This could easily turn out to be one of those rare win-win trades.

I have a hard time believing MG is on the trade block. Less so regarding Njoku, but we need to put someone out there that can catch the ball.

The only person that has mentioned stefanski in this thread is you... three times. Now you've got four posts all of which are baiting and trying to start a fight and have zip to do with this trade... But, you do you. Fight with yourself. No skin off my nose .

Oh, THAT'S what this trade was all about. Saving money. That makes more sense. Gotta figure out how to pay Desaun's salary after all.

Welcome to pits world.

I like the deal. I have not been impressed with Newsome, this new guy is probably just as good and the contract terms work better. It isn’t throwing in the towel. We may not miss a beat in the secondary.

It’s a yard sale now.

Newsome is solid but nothing special. Good luck to him.

Wow. You’re spot on but at the same time you’re confirming the incompetence among the decision makers.

One “promising” draft class out of six gives you an hit rate of 16,6%. A statistical average is 33,66% hit rate, elite is probably somewhere close to 40%. (The first round gives you a 63% chance of finding a starter. The second round gives you a 27% chance, the third a 17% chance - that means on average that nearly 50% of all first and second round picks become starters)

The best general managers in the league have on average “promising draft classes” almost every second season. Even a blind could get a better return than Berry by just randomly picking players based on his favorite numbers, that’s how bad it had been.

If you combine that with how the Browns have handled their quarterback situation you probably realize that the only word that’s suitable is incompetence.
You can only use the “bad luck” card (in the Browns dictionary it’s called “swing and miss”) so long, and after six seasons it’s no longer valid from a statistical perspective.

The absolute fastest way for this organization to become more successful, above average or better, is to change the decision makers.
That’s not even an opinion, it’s just based on statistical facts.

So, by your own acknowledgment, having first round picks (generally) increases your chances of hitting on players in the draft. We didn't have 3 years of 1st rounders (plus I think there was a second thrown in there for good measure). I am of the opinion that Haslam, moreso than anyone else, carries primary responsibility for getting Watson.

I'm curious how our hit rate measures up when you include the entire picture/context of the past couple years.

I like Campbell. He was a good player at Georgia. I think this was a scheme fit and money fit for us. In the end it is a six of one, half a dozen move helping both teams. The money tilts the scales for us.

I made those trade percentages. Just gut feelings. I will say I didn't consider the cap implications of trading Garrett this year. That may make it nearly impossible to do anything this year. I will say that I don't see much of a chance that Garrett remains on the team for long.

Our timeline and his timeline aren't meshing. He is going to want out and when he starts clamoring for that to happen, it will happen.

For the record, I am not putting Myles down. He wants to help a team win and win big. Right now, he can't do that here.

The two trades we've made don't give me "firesale" vibes.

We tried to catch lightning in a bottle again with Flacco and it didn't work out. He probably wouldn't be here next year, regardless.

The Newsome deal brings in a closer scheme fit and shipped out a guy that wasn't going to re-sign next year and nets us a starter-caliber guy that's going to end up being cheaper. This allows us to take a minimal (if any) hit while siphoning off money for areas of need (Oline).

I mentioned him once until you jumped into the fray. But I didn't expect you would take any ownership in that. Yes, you actively engaging in the topic is something you would naturally blame on me. Whatever makes you feel better.

You just can't help yourself can you.

Yet another informative post by arch.

Agree. The fire sale narrative is weak.

Dude your first comment in this thread is about Kevin Stefanski.... he was unmentioned at that point.

When I pointed out your comment added nothing to the discussion you started to try and pick a fight. Lied about what has been said elsewhere and tried to drag other discussions into a thread where it didn't exist before and does not belong. Fact.

What did you lie about? You stated I said KS has eqaul "say" as the owner of the team. No what I said is they share equal blame (regarding the decisions leading to the signing of Watson). Haslam can sack anyone in the organization he likes. Stefanski cannot - that is not equal say. That's you just inventing something so you can fight. As for equal blame - we have one individual who is the closest thing to an insider we have. He has stated there is equal blame to go around the entire organization. You choose not to listen to that - your choice. But I am not interested in you trying to pick a fight.

All 100% fact. Bye.

Let's recap. I pointed out that nobody had mentioned Stefanski in regards to this trade. That sent you off the deep end. The claims made were that Berry wasn't Stefanski's boss. That both of them reported to Haslam and that it was Haslam that was the boss. So now you don't think both Stefanski and Berry had an equal say in this trade? If so why did nobody mention it after pounding on it during the Baker discussion? Why do you find that so argumentative and enraging that you feel the need to keep ranting about it?

It's quite simple. People have decided that they can pick and choose when Stefanksi is an equal and has equal say and when he does not. When it suits their purpose Stefanski had his hands all over things and other times nothing. I never said Stefanski has equal power as the owner. I said that you and others claim both Berry and Stefanski have equal say with Haslam.

All 100% fact. Bye.

Me going off the deep end? Only in your head.

No-one wants to read your crap or my response. Feel free to have the last word and make up some more lies if you like. I shall not be responding.

Oh ... before I go ... your words about KS and HASLAM.

Yet you already said "Bye" and are responding again. You just can't help yourself can you? It's funny how telling exactly the accusations you and others made about the pecking order within the Browns is now somehow lying. But there's a lot of that going around these days. I wish you a wonderful day!

Here's just how simple this all is. In one thread both Stefanski and Berry had an equal seat at the table on personnel matters with Haslam. That such decisions were made by consensus. In this thread nothing of the sort had been mentioned. It was all about Berry and Haslam. I found that to be odd. You took issue with that.

No disagreement.

In the end Berry has a history of locking up guys before they become free. My feeling is we tried to do that but it became clear the money gap was wide enough we made the decision to make the trade.

Not a fire sale. Just the typical run of the mill yard sale.

Maybe, but we CLEARLY got the better of that deal.

Campbell has been good, that's for sure

They just need to coach him to turn around during tight coverage to locate the ball. His coverage skills appear to be awesome.

You mean like he did yesterday in the end zone

Exactly,,, Damn that was fun to watch...

Pretty safe to say that Jacksonville fans would trade Newsome back to us for a ham sandwich lol.

Andrew Berry has made many mistakes but the 2 trades this year with Jacksonville both look really good from the Browns perspective.