DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Greg Newsome Traded to Jacksonville

I understand at this point that's all you have left. An emoji. Because everything I posted I have receipts for. Thanks for playing. I'll try to come up with a consolation prize for you.

I'd be VERY surprised if they are switching direction to a full rebuild. The story is that they swapped corners to be on teams that run systems better suited to their strengths. Browns gave up a little draft capital but it's offset by cap relief. This could easily turn out to be one of those rare win-win trades.

I have a hard time believing MG is on the trade block. Less so regarding Njoku, but we need to put someone out there that can catch the ball.

The only person that has mentioned stefanski in this thread is you... three times. Now you've got four posts all of which are baiting and trying to start a fight and have zip to do with this trade... But, you do you. Fight with yourself. No skin off my nose .

Oh, THAT'S what this trade was all about. Saving money. That makes more sense. Gotta figure out how to pay Desaun's salary after all.

Welcome to pits world.

I like the deal. I have not been impressed with Newsome, this new guy is probably just as good and the contract terms work better. It isn’t throwing in the towel. We may not miss a beat in the secondary.

It’s a yard sale now.

Newsome is solid but nothing special. Good luck to him.

Wow. You’re spot on but at the same time you’re confirming the incompetence among the decision makers.

One “promising” draft class out of six gives you an hit rate of 16,6%. A statistical average is 33,66% hit rate, elite is probably somewhere close to 40%. (The first round gives you a 63% chance of finding a starter. The second round gives you a 27% chance, the third a 17% chance - that means on average that nearly 50% of all first and second round picks become starters)

The best general managers in the league have on average “promising draft classes” almost every second season. Even a blind could get a better return than Berry by just randomly picking players based on his favorite numbers, that’s how bad it had been.

If you combine that with how the Browns have handled their quarterback situation you probably realize that the only word that’s suitable is incompetence.
You can only use the “bad luck” card (in the Browns dictionary it’s called “swing and miss”) so long, and after six seasons it’s no longer valid from a statistical perspective.

The absolute fastest way for this organization to become more successful, above average or better, is to change the decision makers.
That’s not even an opinion, it’s just based on statistical facts.

So, by your own acknowledgment, having first round picks (generally) increases your chances of hitting on players in the draft. We didn't have 3 years of 1st rounders (plus I think there was a second thrown in there for good measure). I am of the opinion that Haslam, moreso than anyone else, carries primary responsibility for getting Watson.

I'm curious how our hit rate measures up when you include the entire picture/context of the past couple years.

I like Campbell. He was a good player at Georgia. I think this was a scheme fit and money fit for us. In the end it is a six of one, half a dozen move helping both teams. The money tilts the scales for us.

I made those trade percentages. Just gut feelings. I will say I didn't consider the cap implications of trading Garrett this year. That may make it nearly impossible to do anything this year. I will say that I don't see much of a chance that Garrett remains on the team for long.

Our timeline and his timeline aren't meshing. He is going to want out and when he starts clamoring for that to happen, it will happen.

For the record, I am not putting Myles down. He wants to help a team win and win big. Right now, he can't do that here.

The two trades we've made don't give me "firesale" vibes.

We tried to catch lightning in a bottle again with Flacco and it didn't work out. He probably wouldn't be here next year, regardless.

The Newsome deal brings in a closer scheme fit and shipped out a guy that wasn't going to re-sign next year and nets us a starter-caliber guy that's going to end up being cheaper. This allows us to take a minimal (if any) hit while siphoning off money for areas of need (Oline).

I mentioned him once until you jumped into the fray. But I didn't expect you would take any ownership in that. Yes, you actively engaging in the topic is something you would naturally blame on me. Whatever makes you feel better.

You just can't help yourself can you.

Yet another informative post by arch.

Agree. The fire sale narrative is weak.

Dude your first comment in this thread is about Kevin Stefanski.... he was unmentioned at that point.

When I pointed out your comment added nothing to the discussion you started to try and pick a fight. Lied about what has been said elsewhere and tried to drag other discussions into a thread where it didn't exist before and does not belong. Fact.

What did you lie about? You stated I said KS has eqaul "say" as the owner of the team. No what I said is they share equal blame (regarding the decisions leading to the signing of Watson). Haslam can sack anyone in the organization he likes. Stefanski cannot - that is not equal say. That's you just inventing something so you can fight. As for equal blame - we have one individual who is the closest thing to an insider we have. He has stated there is equal blame to go around the entire organization. You choose not to listen to that - your choice. But I am not interested in you trying to pick a fight.

All 100% fact. Bye.

Let's recap. I pointed out that nobody had mentioned Stefanski in regards to this trade. That sent you off the deep end. The claims made were that Berry wasn't Stefanski's boss. That both of them reported to Haslam and that it was Haslam that was the boss. So now you don't think both Stefanski and Berry had an equal say in this trade? If so why did nobody mention it after pounding on it during the Baker discussion? Why do you find that so argumentative and enraging that you feel the need to keep ranting about it?

It's quite simple. People have decided that they can pick and choose when Stefanksi is an equal and has equal say and when he does not. When it suits their purpose Stefanski had his hands all over things and other times nothing. I never said Stefanski has equal power as the owner. I said that you and others claim both Berry and Stefanski have equal say with Haslam.

All 100% fact. Bye.

Me going off the deep end? Only in your head.

No-one wants to read your crap or my response. Feel free to have the last word and make up some more lies if you like. I shall not be responding.

Oh ... before I go ... your words about KS and HASLAM.

Yet you already said "Bye" and are responding again. You just can't help yourself can you? It's funny how telling exactly the accusations you and others made about the pecking order within the Browns is now somehow lying. But there's a lot of that going around these days. I wish you a wonderful day!

Here's just how simple this all is. In one thread both Stefanski and Berry had an equal seat at the table on personnel matters with Haslam. That such decisions were made by consensus. In this thread nothing of the sort had been mentioned. It was all about Berry and Haslam. I found that to be odd. You took issue with that.