It streamlines the QB chatter. We know we're going to get a healthy dose of both rookie QBs this year. They absolutely must answer the question about both of them before the end of the season.
I agree with you in theory, but the main risk to this approach is if we get the answer to this question too quickly. I like DG because I'm not going to get too hung up on his height, but the fact of the matter is that he's a rookie picked in the 3rd round. The likelihood is very low that he's anything better than an average backup. He's shown flashes of good, and in limited action he's kept the catastrophic mistakes to a minimum (at least for a rookie).
It's not hard to imagine a scenario where he falls on his face or gets injured (especially if Oline play continues to degrade), and then we turn to Shedeur and... ? While I like the idea of trying out the new guys, but I have no interest in reliving that clipboard-Jesus stretch.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Our QB did not have the arm strength from mid field to reach the end zone, so they threw short. You can't make this stuff up it is just hard to watch. Dink and dunk all game long and throw short of the end zone on last play of the game.
I asked you to stop lying about that but you continue. The second and third pass alone in the video show you are lying. You said "You can't make this stuff up", yet you do ...............
Will this be enough to stop you?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I agree. Flacco had no future value to us so getting a higher 5th for a lower 6th round pick is a good thing. With good scouting and a little luck, you can still find starting type players in the 5th round. After that the luck factor increases greatly.
Especially since this now gives us (3) 5th round picks including the Raiders' pick. That's ammo for plenty of maneuvering into the 3rd and 4th rounds as they will probably all be high 5th round picks.
Our QB did not have the arm strength from mid field to reach the end zone, so they threw short. You can't make this stuff up it is just hard to watch. Dink and dunk all game long and throw short of the end zone on last play of the game.
I asked you to stop lying about that but you continue. The second and third pass alone in the video show you are lying. You said "You can't make this stuff up", yet you do ...............
Will this be enough to stop you?
No Dillon Gabriel is not the answer. That pick in round 3 was a wasted pick and shows that Stefanski and Berry do not know what they are doing. His performance was about as expected on Sunday. Dink and dunk all game long and really did not move the offense. Only improvement over Flacco was he did not attempt to throw down field and did not turn the ball over, but his play will never lead to winning football. He may end up a capable back up but he is not the answer at QB. Too small to be a real franchise QB.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
Our QB did not have the arm strength from mid field to reach the end zone, so they threw short. You can't make this stuff up it is just hard to watch. Dink and dunk all game long and throw short of the end zone on last play of the game.
I asked you to stop lying about that but you continue. The second and third pass alone in the video show you are lying. You said "You can't make this stuff up", yet you do ...............
Will this be enough to stop you?
No Dillon Gabriel is not the answer. That pick in round 3 was a wasted pick and shows that Stefanski and Berry do not know what they are doing. His performance was about as expected on Sunday. Dink and dunk all game long and really did not move the offense. Only improvement over Flacco was he did not attempt to throw down field and did not turn the ball over, but his play will never lead to winning football. He may end up a capable back up but he is not the answer at QB. Too small to be a real franchise QB.
You contradicted yourself in your own statement. You call the Gabriel pick a wasted pick and then go on to say he may be a capable backup. Where do you suppose capable backups are found? The alley behind the Cheesecake Factory? Nope. Usually in rounds 3 through 5. Taking a chance at lightning in the bottle is waaay closer to "prudent" than "wasted". If we stay on course and actually find a fQB, Dillon will already be groomed to be a solid QB2. If we don't find a fQB, it won't be because we "wasted" a 3rd round pick in the 2025 draft. JMO though.
Our QB did not have the arm strength from mid field to reach the end zone, so they threw short. You can't make this stuff up it is just hard to watch. Dink and dunk all game long and throw short of the end zone on last play of the game.
I asked you to stop lying about that but you continue. The second and third pass alone in the video show you are lying. You said "You can't make this stuff up", yet you do ...............
Will this be enough to stop you?
No Dillon Gabriel is not the answer. That pick in round 3 was a wasted pick and shows that Stefanski and Berry do not know what they are doing. His performance was about as expected on Sunday. Dink and dunk all game long and really did not move the offense. Only improvement over Flacco was he did not attempt to throw down field and did not turn the ball over, but his play will never lead to winning football. He may end up a capable back up but he is not the answer at QB. Too small to be a real franchise QB.
You contradicted yourself in your own statement. You call the Gabriel pick a wasted pick and then go on to say he may be a capable backup. Where do you suppose capable backups are found? The alley behind the Cheesecake Factory? Nope. Usually in rounds 3 through 5. Taking a chance at lightning in the bottle is waaay closer to "prudent" than "wasted". If we stay on course and actually find a fQB, Dillon will already be groomed to be a solid QB2. If we don't find a fQB, it won't be because we "wasted" a 3rd round pick in the 2025 draft. JMO though.
Will Howard would be a QB that has potential. He has real NFL size and a winning pedigree. Actually, I feel the Browns will someday regret not picking Howard and where does he end up with the Steelers. The Browns could have drafted Howard and not wasted time on either of the two QB's they selected in this year's draft.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
I agree. Flacco had no future value to us so getting a higher 5th for a lower 6th round pick is a good thing. With good scouting and a little luck, you can still find starting type players in the 5th round. After that the luck factor increases greatly.
Especially since this now gives us (3) 5th round picks including the Raiders' pick.
We can get three Shadeur Sanderses now!
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Will Howard would be a QB that has potential. He has real NFL size and a winning pedigree. Actually, I feel the Browns will someday regret not picking Howard and where does he end up with the Steelers. The Browns could have drafted Howard and not wasted time on either of the two QB's they selected in this year's draft.
I'd be willing to make a bet on Will Howard becoming a viable starter. Sig bet?
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Will Howard would be a QB that has potential. He has real NFL size and a winning pedigree. Actually, I feel the Browns will someday regret not picking Howard and where does he end up with the Steelers. The Browns could have drafted Howard and not wasted time on either of the two QB's they selected in this year's draft.
I know! The same way they regret not drafting Aaron Rodgers and taking Charlie Frye in the 3rd instead.
Where do you suppose capable backups are found? The alley behind the Cheesecake Factory? Nope.
Not sure if it was intentional, but this one got me to laugh harder than I should have, so bravo to that.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I agree. Flacco had no future value to us so getting a higher 5th for a lower 6th round pick is a good thing. With good scouting and a little luck, you can still find starting type players in the 5th round. After that the luck factor increases greatly.
Especially since this now gives us (3) 5th round picks including the Raiders' pick.
We can get three Shadeur Sanderses now!
Even more enticing than The Price is Right's 'Hole in One.....or Two' opportunity!
I think it's weirder that a team would give up any draft capital for a guy that was just signed off the FA scrap heap.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg Originally Posted by PitDAWG Quote Our QB did not have the arm strength from mid field to reach the end zone, so they threw short.
This was a lie and the film proves it. Now you wish to deflect and avoid it. Sad, just sad.
He did not attempt that throw did he? Why?
It wasn't because he lacked the arm strength. Stop being obtuse........
Pit...I question why Stefanski did not call for one more hail merry pass attempt knowing the game was still "winnable" had Gabriel connected on the last play of the game.
Why throw short..?
It sure didn't sit well with me because I've seen teams win games on a "hail merry"
Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg Originally Posted by PitDAWG Quote Our QB did not have the arm strength from mid field to reach the end zone, so they threw short.
This was a lie and the film proves it. Now you wish to deflect and avoid it. Sad, just sad.
He did not attempt that throw did he? Why?
It wasn't because he lacked the arm strength. Stop being obtuse........
Pit...I question why Stefanski did not call for one more hail merry pass attempt knowing the game was still "winnable" had Gabriel connected on the last play of the game.
Why throw short..?
It sure didn't sit well with me because I've seen teams win games on a "hail merry"
Ugggghhhh...
I feel like I've read this 30 times since Sunday.
I didn't even watch the game but queued up the final plays to watch today. Another poster keeps droning on about it and questioning Gabriel's arm strength as a reason we didn't call the Hail Mary on the final play.
I feel like this is the Twilight Zone.
We DID dial up the HM -- and Dillon threw it to the endzone -- the play was nullified because the Vikings called a timeout. There were EIGHT Vikings waiting at the goal line.
Furthermore, HM has about an 8% success rate.
The final play was a completion of 22 yards to the 27. Thrash would have been OB with a tick or two left if he were not tripped up. That would have left one play on the clock from the 27.
Some of the coulda-woulda-shoulda junk around these parts is INSANE. 🤣
Flacco will start Sunday against GB. Rare for a guy to play the same team twice in a month (non-division opponent obviously)
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
1. Is the Browns leadership on the same page moving forward?
2. In less than 24h they have traded away both Flacco and Newsome. Are Berry already viewing this as a lost season and what does this mean for Stefanski?
3 By not naming Sanders as the back up quarterback and not explaining the thought process behind not taking that decision creates speculations and uncertainty. On the other hand if Stefanski name Sanders as their qb2 all attention will be on the HC to make changes when Dillon starts to struggle. A lose and lose situation. This hypothetical scenario was brought up already after the draft and in preseason as a potential conflict. Now we’re there and once again the Browns HC seems surprised, unprepared and confused being in this uncomfortable position. Why not be transparent from the beginning to avoid these kind of distractions?
If Gabriel isn’t the answer and the Browns end the season with similar numbers as last season then Stefanski will get fired. When things go horribly south someone has to be the scapegoat and the only way to change the narrative and create some positivity is to making changes. Hey! No pressure Dillon. You’re already on the clock.
Once again. More drama than results. Why am I not surprised…
The final play was a completion of 22 yards to the 27. Thrash would have been OB with a tick or two left if he were not tripped up. That would have left one play on the clock from the 27.
Exactly - two weeks before we executed a pass and spike as time ran out. I think the commentators in that game had just said there wasn't enough time to do that ... and we executed it perfectly. We were a finger tip tackle from doing the same thing with the pass to Thrash. I criticize KS a lot - I don't hate that call. And the call has nothing to do with Gabriel's arm strength. Absolutely nada.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I'm going off memory here so I could be wrong, but I believe if Thrash would have run STRAIGHT out of bounds we could have run one more play. Instead he ran diagonal trying to pick up a few more yards. He caught the ball around the 35 and went out of bounds at the 29. He could have gotten out of bounds with 1 or 2 seconds left but didn't.
I have not rewatched the play - but from memory I think you are right ... it might have only been 1 1/2 yards of 'up field' - but as you say, enough. Am I right in thinking that in the last 2 minutes - out of bounds stops the clock even if the runner is headed backwards (towards his own end zone) at the time he goes out? Or do all backwards plays out of bounds keep the clock moving now?
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Do not see.....over analysis of last few seconds of a game diminishes real issues- defense breakdown allowing TD pass- every second counts, but last few are over hipped. You are what you are- 1-4 with questionable O tackles/ generally old O line- we be in analysis mode the rest of season- best return on 1st rnd picks next season---this season is now experimental.....Go Browns!!! We got something for Flacco, surprising. He wouldn't have another second in Cleveland.
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I'm going off memory here so I could be wrong, but I believe if Thrash would have run STRAIGHT out of bounds we could have run one more play. Instead he ran diagonal trying to pick up a few more yards. He caught the ball around the 35 and went out of bounds at the 29. He could have gotten out of bounds with 1 or 2 seconds left but didn't.
You're right. He looked like he had that inkling that he could break the play and score and quickly came to his senses. Too little, too late. I guess that's probably a normal reaction when you turn and see open field.
I'm not sure what needs to be explained in terms of Sanders not being named the #2 QB. If he was ready to assume that role he would be named the #2 QB. Obviously by not receiving that designation he isn't ready to fill that role. It seems very self explanatory to me. I suppose people can make up a scenario making this a huge issue because we see silly things like that all the time. That's how it works when people can't see the writing on the wall.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Haslams admit they didn’t know what they were doing when they ...
Apr 3, 2022 · Now the Haslams are admitting that their experience with the Steelers didn’t teach them much of anything, and that they didn’t know what they were doing when they bought the Browns a decade ago. www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/...
Obviously, the Browns owners and management haven't learned much in the last 3 seasons either.
I'm not sure what needs to be explained in terms of Sanders not being named the #2 QB. If he was ready to assume that role he would be named the #2 QB. Obviously by not receiving that designation he isn't ready to fill that role. It seems very self explanatory to me. I suppose people can make up a scenario making this a huge issue because we see silly things like that all the time. That's how it works when people can't see the writing on the wall.
What do you think will be the talking point in the locker room? On social media and among talk shows? Tell me that you’re not that naive?
What do you think will be the talking point in the locker room? On social media and among talk shows? Tell me that you’re not that naive?
Who in the hell cares what the media and talk shows think. They make a living by doing nothing but stirring the pot in most cases these days to make a buck for themselves.
I'm not sure what needs to be explained in terms of Sanders not being named the #2 QB. If he was ready to assume that role he would be named the #2 QB. Obviously by not receiving that designation he isn't ready to fill that role. It seems very self explanatory to me. I suppose people can make up a scenario making this a huge issue because we see silly things like that all the time. That's how it works when people can't see the writing on the wall.
What do you think will be the talking point in the locker room? On social media and among talk shows? Tell me that you’re not that naive?
Do you think the players in the locker room aren't aware that Sanders isn't ready to be the backup?
As of the rest of them that's been happening all along and what does any of that have to do with whether he's really ready to be the backup or not? Tell me you're not that naive.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
