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Jaxson Dart starting for Giants this Sunday. Can we be far behind?

I don't think we're "far" behind. It was made clear from the top down that they planned to evaluate the rookies this season to see what they have in them. Hopefully part of that evaluation will be Sanders getting some playing time if can progress to the point that. At this point I believe that remains to be seen.

Evaluations are everything from practice and beyond. How much evaluation each QB gets will be dependent on their progress. With Gabriele being the named backup and already getting a little regular season playing time, and looking good when he did, he will be the first man up and they'll see where it goes from there I would imagine.

Sounds reasonable. Who knows if both our backups look good, we may get a reasonable trade offer for one of them next offseason. I realize it's speculative and way down the road but possible.

I don't know if one or both are good. I do think that the first part of the evaluation process is to determine if you're ready to play in the regular season of the NFL. One has played in the regular season and the other one hasn't. And one has been named the "emergency QB".

I don't know where Sanders stands as of now. I certainly don't think they would just throw him out there if they didn't think he was at least able to function on the field in the NFL. But hey, that didn't stop them with DTR who was another fifth round draft pick.

I think his current status pretty much explains the only way Sanders would be playing QB right now. An "emergency".

I’d bet that if the O doesn’t markedly improve against Detroit, win or lose, we will start Gabriel week 5.

Honestly, I thought we would only win 5-6 games this year always hoping that I was wrong and we would win more. However, after the first 3 games, where we should be 2-1, maybe we're a little better than I thought. We seem to have a top end D and our ST's are a little better. We may have actually found a kicker. Our O is obviously a problem. We may have a running game with Q and Sampson, but our passing game is anemic. I have a lot of respect for Joe Flacco and what he brings to the team not only as a player but as a mentor. However, his best days are behind him and he cannot elevate the guys around him at this point. Maybe Dillon can. He's got a strong enough arm and he can make and extend plays with his legs. It's time to add that dimension to the Offense which should help our WR's and O-line. I don't think it should be done this week considering whom we're playing and where but maybe in the next 2 games. JMO

That's not I bet I would take. I'm not as sure of that as you are but I see the realistic possibility that could happen. According to FOX sports the Vikings have the #6 ranked defense. But then you have to consider they have played the Bears, the Falcons and the Bengals backup. In doing so they gave up 20+ points to both the Bears and the Falcons while the Falcons D only gave up 6 points to the Vikings.

I agree with your points Pit but what you also have to consider is we're playing the Vikings on a neutral site and their game this week is in Dublin. I don't know if that's an advantage or disadvantage for them that they're playing 2 weeks in a row out there.

Maybe I had the wrong idea about him, but I was operating under the assumption that DG's ceiling (at least this year) would basically be whatever Flacco could do.

What I mean by that is Flacco's value is being a veteran... knowing where the ball needs to go and getting it there on time. Flacco also has an arm for the long ball, but we don't exactly have the pass-catchers to really make that a focus of the offense. My understanding is also that DG doesn't exactly have a cannon for an arm... he's not going to significantly upgrade our passing game by his arm strength alone.

Expecting a 3rd round rookie QB to provide instant improvement over a veteran doesn't seem like a great plan to me.

I think we're pretty much on the same page. As I tried to convey in my post the Vikings D is highly rated but you have to consider the teams they played and with the Bengals against a back-up QB.

I consider it a strong possibility Gabriel could start against the Vikings. As a matter of fact in my mind the odds of that happening are too close to call.

Giving up 20+ points to both the Bears and the Falcons while the Falcons D only gave up 6 points to the Vikings isn't a ringing endorsement of the Vikings D and indicates to me our D could put their O in a straglehold.

I think that Joe will be pulled by halftime vs the Lions. He's cooked

It feels like the same people yapping about Dillon Gabriel's height are the same people pining for Baker Mayfield and are the same people that wanted Baker gone. Baker's height was also a topic of discussion while he was here (Baker is a whopping 2 inches taller than DG).

With all of their collective NFL coaching experience I would say they should be considered experts on the subject.

I just know that a QBs height affects several factors in how the field is seen and how the ball travels across the field. The taller the QB the more advantage they have in seeing more of the field and throwing the ball at a more catchable trajectory especially in short to mid yard passes. It doesn't really effect the deep ball that much except that if the tall QB has a big arm to match his height he can throw the ball on a rope that is much harder to intercept vs throwing with more an arch that has to drop in the bucket to avoid being intercepted because if it is thrown on a rope from a lower height it's MUCH easier to intercept. This is one of the reasons I like Sanders more than DG in the long term because he doesn't have a strong arm so he won't try to zip the ball in when he shouldn't be. DG has an AMAZING arm BUT it's kind of useless since he is too short to have a good angle on zipping the ball in. Sanders is very good at throwing a slower ball with an arch to it that drops in that bucket really well with the only problem being that his passes travel too slow due to lack of arm talent that NFL CB's have all day to break up the pass. Still, you can build up arm talent but you can't grow taller without breaking the legs over and over again.

We don't currently have a QB on this roster who is a legitimate NFL starter. They are both just long term backup QBs.

Gabriel has a chance to be a good back-up if he doesn't start.

Sanders doesn't. He already thinks he is better than half the starting QB's in the league.

QB’s (6’ +) to watch for ’26 draft;

Mendoza - Indiana — 6’5”

Beck - Miami — 6’4” Sr

Simpson - Bama — 6’2” Jr

Robertson - Baylor - 6’4” Sr

King - GT — 6’3” Sr

Layne - NM — 6’2” Jr

Green - Arkansas — 6’6” Sr

Moore - Oregon — 6’3” So

Hoover - TCU - 6’2” Jr

Altmyer - Ill - 6’2” Sr

Sorsby - Cinn - 6’3” Jr

Mendoza and Simpson were virtual unknowns at the start of the season, but both have been very impressive. The throw that Simpson made on 4th and 8 late in the game to seal the win vs Missouri was simply awesome. The defender had the Bama receiver covered like a blanket and Simpson laid the ball out where only his receiver could get it. Throw he open. It was an NFL level pass for sure. I also like Carson Beck that arm talent is really hard to overlook.

Taylen Green is a player I have my eyes on. Not just because he is HUGE but because he throws the ball EASY for big yard chunks. He is also deceptively fast on his feet. His stride is so long that in just a few steps he is GONE. He also clearly sees the full field even when he is running for his life. I have seen some beautiful passes by this kid. It's like if Joe Flacco was fast on his feet. I mean this kid is a REAL danger when he runs with the ball.


I think this kid paired with Judkins would be a REAL nightmare for defenses to deal with because if he fakes the handoff and runs the ball himself he could be running for a first down easily. After the nightmare of dealing with that the kid then throws a 20 yard pass with just the flick of the wrist while on the run. I think he has HUGE NFL potential.



I mean he is not perfect by any means but he could be turned into something special in my humble opinion.

That's a great highlight video. Thanks for posting that !

6'6 236 pounds. Any chance he can squeeze into a number 8 jersey on Sundays ? LOL

Your opinion is as good and as welcome as anyone else's. I don't know much about him but now I'll be checking on him. He could be very good in the pros who knows.

I see our first round pick in that video.

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I realize this thread about Qb height was started to discuss Gabriel being short.
There are very few successful NFL Qb's under 6'0

How many are there 6'6 or taller?
Brock Osweiller was 6'6

I think 6'6 or taller and the throwing circle gets too long so you cannot have a quick enough release
Just my supposition

Seems like the sweet spot is between 6'3 and 6'5

Joe Flacco is 6'6

Maybe the age factor ?

There are not that many tall QBs above 6'4. When your that tall the basketball gods call you to go make some real money lol! What is special about this kid is that normally when you are that tall you can't normally move fast but this kid runs like a HB and I would not be surprised if he can run a 4.5.

Nah this kid has a plenty quick enough release. He is so big that everything kind of looks weirdly slow but then when you track his movement in comparison to those around him you will find he is actually very quick. He also has this unreal stick step that destroys defensive backs where he is running full speed and just plants his left foot and stops instantly. It's SOOOOO crazy to see him do it and watch DBs just fall down trying to adjust to it. What I really like about him though is that he knows how to soften the throw to make touch passes more catchable instead of always throwing it as hard as he can. At the very least he is head and shoulders better than any QB in this last draft.

I honestly don't know if he is the best QB in this next years draft but I know he won't be a bust. We could use a guy like this who can really use his feet while we continue to build an O-line and maybe draft some of the WRs in the later rounds that he is used to throwing to. That team also has one massive offensive lineman I would not mind drafting too but I cant remember his name.

Think Sellers at South Carolina is the legs and tools QB. Burning Arkansas Pine Bluff with your legs not quite the same as outrunning LSU DBs.

I think every FBS coach at the beginning of those Green highlights has been fired this season. ...Including his?

Hard to tell what will translate with either guy. But Sellers having to chuck defensive linemen is probably more in line with what he'd have to deal with here.

Factually speaking having a QB who is a double threat to run or pass is always a positive. However, as you stated it's especially helpful based on the Browns current situation.

I think he is a good QB. My initial though when watching him on Saturdays,,,,I watch SEC football...he looks like Matt Jones, and one of the announcers said the same.

If QB isn't his calling, a switch to receiver might be an option if he can catch the ball. He looks to have decent speed and he shows he can run and make tacklers miss.