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Bengals vs Steelers


Flacco looks more comfortable behind a so called worse O-Line as people said worse than the Browns.

Nice TD !

Please end in a tie ! lol

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Flacco has receivers who

Catch and run after

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If Flacco beats the Steelers, Cleveland sports talk radio should be a riot to listen to tomorrow morning rofl

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Is zac taylor that much of a better head coach than stefanski?


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And on this board

LMAO

10 -17 Bengals up !

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No

It's the old cold QB's

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Originally Posted by Jester
Is zac taylor that much of a better head coach than stefanski?

Receivers matter. The Bengals have two elite ones: essentially 1a and 1b. If the Browns intend to draft a #1 WR, this upcoming draft is the one to do it. There's a couple of interesting offensive tackle prospects in this coming draft too -- the kid Dunker(who's played RT and LT) from Iowa has a nasty streak and finishes off the majority of his blocks by putting the defender on his ass, and Gano from Utah who plays LT.

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GO Joe !!

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What an entertaining game.

I wish the Brown had a Ja'marr Chase. They might not know what to do with a player like that, but I wish the Browns had one nonetheless.

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Gee, it wasn't Flacco that was the reason the Browns Offense SUCKS.


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I’m glad you traded my boy. Your receivers sucked and cost him games .

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Just clicking,, Just like Flacco did here a few years ago, Came in Cold, lost the first game then went on a tear.

Anyone wanna bet against him doing it again? This time in Cincy!


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In light of Tomlin's remarks it is hilarious that the Steelers lost.

Receivers matter. Do the Browns have receivers?

Oh I forgot we have Jeudy and what are those guys names?


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That was a good game. I'm surprised the Steelers lost. Ja'Marr Chase really is all that. Go Joe!

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I was never a Baker fan. I hated his immaturity and how his personality split the Browns locker room, but he is playing well now. Stefankos decided he could not work with him. And every game that passes that decision looks bad. He has now decided that Flacco did not give his team the best chance to win, and he decided to play his handpicked QB that the Browns reached in the draft for. Now Flacco is making him look bad. He could not work with Baker, he could not make it work with Watson, he could not make it work a 2nd time with Flacco. He eventually has to answer for this!!!


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
he decided to play his handpicked QB that the Browns reached in the draft for.

rofl

You mean like Stefanski said would happen before the season ever started? What possible evidence other than "your feelings" do you have that shows Gabriele was Stefanski's "handpicked QB"? Where do you get these hair brained ideas from?

Haslam’s expect rookie quarterbacks to see playing time

https://www.cleveland19.com/2025/07/29/haslams-expect-rookie-quarterbacks-see-playing-time/


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Originally Posted by bonefish
In light of Tomlin's remarks it is hilarious that the Steelers lost.

Receivers matter. Do the Browns have receivers?

Oh I forgot we have Jeudy and what are those guys names?


Receivers do matter.Coaching matters more.


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Baker looking at NFL MVP as a possibility and Flacco beating the Steelers and putting up impressive numbers. Berry, Depo and Stefanski all the common factors.for letting them go, not drafting or trading for WRs and Olinemen and not being able to score more that 17 point in 2 full years.


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Good talent makes good coaches.

An average coach will look good with a great quarterback and good team.

A great coach will look bad with poor quarterback play and a bad roster.

A great coach and great quarterback can overcome a mediocre roster.

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
he decided to play his handpicked QB that the Browns reached in the draft for.

rofl

You mean like Stefanski said would happen before the season ever started? What possible evidence other than "your feelings" do you have that shows Gabriele was Stefanski's "handpicked QB"? Where do you get these hair brained ideas from?

Haslam’s expect rookie quarterbacks to see playing time

https://www.cleveland19.com/2025/07/29/haslams-expect-rookie-quarterbacks-see-playing-time/

Mary Kay Cabot has reported that many times. Stefanski spent quite a bit of time with him before the draft.


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Originally Posted by Jester
Is zac taylor that much of a better head coach than stefanski?

IMO, he's a poor-man's KS. Many of the same criticisms except he has the weapons he does on O.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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Originally Posted by Jester
Is zac taylor that much of a better head coach than stefanski?

IMO, he's a poor-man's KS. Many of the same criticisms except he has the weapons he does on O.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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Yes, the GM, the entire analytics and scouting department which they spend millions of dollars on each year had nothing to do with it.

Do you think Stefnaski was sent there to spend time with Gabriele or do you think he was just freelancing on his own? Think man.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yes, the GM, the entire analytics and scouting department which they spend millions of dollars on each year had nothing to do with it.

Do you think Stefnaski was sent there to spend time with Gabriele or do you think he was just freelancing on his own? Think man.

Fire every one of them. It was a horrible pick. The team is in horrible shape. The offense is horrible. Only thing good about this team is Jim Schwartz and this defense.


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What has Garbriel done on the field that makes you claim he was a "horrible pick"?

Just shouting things with no reasoning is what a lot of people do. Would you like to back up your accusation that as a third round pick at the QB position that he was a "horrible pick"?

Come on now. Surely you can do batter than just saying things with nothing to back them up or has your training made you feel that's enough?


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
What has Garbriel done on the field that makes you claim he was a "horrible pick"?

Just shouting things with no reasoning is what a lot of people do. Would you like to back up your accusation that as a third round pick at the QB position that he was a "horrible pick"?

Come on now. Surely you can do batter than just saying things with nothing to back them up or has your training made you feel that's enough?

There was better players and better QB's on the board when he was selected. He is averaging less than 5 yards per pass. I guess if you like dink and dunk QB play Gabriel is your QB. He cannot see the field and that is who the Browns are running out there as QB.


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You have nothing to substantiate any of that other than is average yards in the air. What better QB's were on the board who have actually shown that they are better than Gabriel on the field after Gabriele was selected? What evidence do you have that "he can not see the field"?

Do you think it would be smart to call longer pass plays when our OL can barely give him enough time to attempt the short pass? Once again you just like to shout things with no evidence they're true.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
You have nothing to substantiate any of that other than is average yards in the air. What better QB's were on the board who have actually shown that they are better than Gabriel on the field after Gabriele was selected? What evidence do you have that "he can not see the field"?

Do you think it would be smart to call longer pass plays when our OL can barely give him enough time to attempt the short pass? Once again you just like to shout things with no evidence they're true.

Enjoy the dink and dunk passes then. Don't you think the team saw last nights game and knowing what Flacco did here 2 years ago and play hard for a rookie QB that can't throw the ball to the right side of the field, struggles to see the whole field due to height, and dinks and dunks all game long. If the Browns get behind Sunday, the Sanders chants will start at the stadium. That is when it gets real ugly. This game vs Miami is a must win for Stefanski and Gabriel. The Bengals fans chanted on the national stage last night Thank you Cleveland. That has to hurt the FO. It hurt us Browns fans.


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So Stefanski is not the same coach he was when Flacco was here the first time and that's the reason Flacco looked like crap when he was playing here? Enjoy your delusions.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So Stefanski is not the same coach he was when Flacco was here the first time and that's the reason Flacco looked like crap when he was playing here? Enjoy your delusions.

Obviously he is not the same. The results are different. It is 2025 and not 2023. We do not live in the past. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately sport. Results matter.


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So how did Stefanksi change in the past two seasons? Do you also blame Stefanksi for Flacco looking like crap last year in Indy?


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So how did Stefanksi change in the past two seasons? Do you also blame Stefanksi for Flacco looking like crap last year in Indy?

He actually had better stats in Indy than he had here in 2023. He had a QB rating in 2024 of 90.5 vs 90.3 with Browns in 2023. Throw for 12 picks to 7 int's in Indy. The Browns would love those stats this year.

The bottom line is Watson, DTR, Zappe, Flacco, and Gabriel all are putting up similar stats with the Browns 2024 and 2025. What is the common denominator?


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The common denominator here seems to be that Flacco played no better than Watson, DTR, Zappe or Gabriele. And the fact that you added DTR to that list just sounds idiotic. Even Zappe for that matter.

Flacco had a few really good games with Indy. Then he had some real stinkers. Sort of like this year only this year is even worse. One good game and the rest have been stinkers. That's called a gradual decline.


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Flacco was very impressive last night. He has great WRs obviously. He's going to have a few more games like that this year IMO


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Haslam has a decision to make.

What we the fans think means little.

Fire the regime and start again. Fire one and not the other. Keep both.

Stefanski has proven he can win when he has talent and win sometimes when he doesn't.

That is the reason he won Coach of the Year twice.

The roster right now lacks talent and is very young. The 25 draft looks encouraging.

26 is the year the Browns have identified as a draft to find a quarterback. Should Berry be the guy to make that decision?

Where the Browns are as an organization is the direct result of the decisions that Haslam has made.

Since nobody gets to fire the owner. Everybody gets to scream all they want about who they want to fire.

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Bone,
Yes what the fans think means little until they stop coming and stop spending.
I looked at tickets for tomorrows game-mid 20 dollars for uppers-50 bucks to sit in 140 sections. Tenn tickets below 20 bucks.

Buffalo tickets and Pitts tickets probably won't go down much more-but in December, both of those games are going to have more opposing fans than Browns fans.

This is a comedy of errors going back to Bake and the Watson fiasco and poor later round picks and not addressing needs.

I actually think it came to a head a little bit this week with Tomlin saying what I sure was thinking and then us being made the fools after Flacco's amazing performance.
Yesterday, the little bit of social I looked at-I think we have gone to a new low-and that is hard to do

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