DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Gameday vs Miami Postgame Thoughts

- Can we play Miami every week? Holy smokes. Now, that is a team that doesn't give a rip anymore.

- 21 points off of turnovers.

- Delpit is having himself a really good year.

- Judkins is an explosive weapon. Nice game. First Brown to have 3 rushing TDs in a game since Travis Prentice in 2000 (courtesy of Dan Murphy Browns PR).

- Really good game by Tyson Campbell.

- Like Kev says, winning is an excellent deodorant.

- Szmyt still steady.

- Dolphins had 11 penalties for 103 yards.

- Browns defense held Miami to 1-13 on thrid downs.

10 more opportuites.

We won it feels good so enjoy it for a week!!

Miami is worse than us

Miami is really bad ... and didnt care

Judkins is exciting and runs hard

Our defense was great, with a lot of help obviously

I think Gabriel is as MEH as it gets .. he'll be accurate inside of 15 yards, but he'll never be a high ceiling guy

I vote a game ball to the refs.

Struggling at the keyboard today; I forgot what to type after a win.

Fun win. Lot of folks did solid jobs today. How would you rate our ST play today?

We beat a bad football team.
Defence was excellent, outside of a couple big plays, Miami did jack on O.

Our own offence took advantage of the opportunities the D gave them, kicker was perfect, punter was solid. The wildcat package was interesting and actually worked.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we got Miami’s coach fired. He doesn’t even look like a head coach of an NFL team.

What’s with the sunglasses on a rainy day? He showed little emotion, just staring at his play sheet all day.

I liked the trade more and more. Outside of the TD he allowed last game, he has looked like a solid starting CB. So glad Newsome is gone....

Holy crap, really?? I would've thought either Chubb, Hillis, Jamal Lewis, or even when Jerome Harrison has his near 300 yard game that they would've had a 3 TD rushing game

The Dolphins penalties and lack of discipline/effort was so apparent. That's probably what other teams sense when they play the bad versions of the browns

That thought ran through my head watching the game. "So this is what other teams and their fans typically feel like playing the Browns."

Even more shocking is that Travis Prentice once scored three TDs in an NFL game.

We won and I'm happy about that. However, If we don't get better play calling and much better blocking from the O line we're in deep trouble.

The Browns attacked the Dolphins weakness . Worst run defense in the league .football can be simple at times . Judkins showed next level speed. The WRs blocked well.
But mam is Gabriel so average. Talk about a game manager in the purest sense . Nothing about him makes
You go "wow" . Another questionable draft pick and evaluation of talent
By the front office .
Stefanski called a decent game .
Take Tyrek Hill away from the Dolphins offense and Tua and McDaniel are exposed .
The defense was laying the wood today .
Dolphins acted like they wanted to bail out at halftime

Good catch! Harriosn did have 3 TDs that game. I skimmed the tweet and missed the "rookie" qualifier.

To give Judkins credit, he had 3 TD's. The down side is he only had 84 yards on the ground. That is a good total but doesn't leave me gushing as much as some.

The weather was a big story before the game. As one who was at the game, it never rained hard, if at all and the wind wasn't all that hard. I have been to dozens of games that the wind was much worse.

A good win but it will only matter if we string some wins together. We need to win games. We don't need to play for draft position.

Winning builds culture. Better draft position doesn't, or at least better culture. Having a top draft pick isn't a good thing.

Yeah peen, we need to stack a few wins and get back in the AFC North race. This isn’t impossible. I fear our downfield passing game - lack thereof - will prevent us from doing that, but we ain’t out of it, as Yogi Berra once said.

Impossible, certainly not.. Improbable, yep. We can't score enough points to keep up with Cinci or Pittsburg....

The downfield passing is really dire. I don't even remember us completing anything beyond 10 yards with Gabriel (I'm sure he has, but man it's not pretty). Tough to win that way

That had to be a record of the number of Judkins up the middle play calls, which most were for 1 or 2 yards or a loss. Ot was extremely predictable. Thank you Defense for the win. Our offense is still very, very bad as are the play calls (still) and scares nobody. Gabriel is a career backup.

Gabriel has the arm. That's not the problem. I think it's the oline.

The worst part of those runs, how many was he hot before he even got back to the line of scrimmage?

But the best part of that was how Gabriel didn't throw the ball 52 times ... Not sure about anyone else, I'd rather a running play up the middle for 2 yards instead of throwing it for an incompletion. Not sure if there are stats - but my gut says while big running plays are more frequent when they are outside ... I would also think more plays are stuffed behind the line to the outside, especially when the D is playing everything underneath.

Miami is a really really bad team. Their coach looks like he expects to get fired. I thought he looked ridicuouls wearing gold rimmed sunglasses.

The defense is better at home - but hard to know how much better because ... Miami. I liked that Schwartz switched things up but I would have preferred to see that against a better team when the game was close. Ovder time things regress to the Mean so we were due some tunovers.

For all the criticism of Gabriel - I think it's worth noting how tragic Joe looked until he went to a team with better WR. Not saying Gabriel is this or that yet - but I sure as hell wouldn't judge his ceiling based on this roster and this offensive scheme under KS. I will say he throws on the run really well and extremely accurately. Oh and it's 3rd career start.

Loved the story about Judkins and Duce Staley ... but seeing Staley on the sidelines with all that grey made me feel old.

Dolphins put up 21 points against Buffalo, 27 against the Pats, 27 against he Jets, 24 against the Panthers, and 27 against the Chargers.

- Another week and another good performance by the rookies, sans Gabriel. Schwesinger is a legit candidate for rookie DPOY.
- Delpit putting together another good season when he can stay healthy.
- OL still seems to struggle in pass protection.
- Love the DL rotation. Alex Wright is warranting a second contract with us. Not all that much of a PFF fan these days but they have him ranked as the 13th overall edge rusher on their site with an 85.6 rating. Take it FWIW.
- Dillon Gabriel might have all the smarts but he lack major physical tools to my eyes. I really don't see him getting any better to becoming a legit starter but I hope I'm wrong.

This team has talented players, we just don't have a QB and our OL is old, injured, and our tackles suck. That usually won't spark any offensive consistency, to put it mildly.

Schwesinger doesn't get enough praise, I agree. He's already a legit pro bowl type player. I really wish he and JOK could ever play together

Schwesinger was impressive AND he just appeared to be out there having fun and not trying to be impressive. That's tough for a Rookie.
We need an Offensive Schwartz..... May the Schwartz be with you.... Kevin just ain't cutting it!
Coach or Call... not both.
D AND ST looked relaxed and confident! Both showed up.
Gabriel looked better than last week and I hope they open the Play Book a bit more.
Running Game, outside the Red Zone, was vanilla at best.

I also think Delpit has turned into a really impactful player. He's improved in both the run and the pass game. And he's disruptive near the LOS

I do not miss the celebrations by Newsome

First game in very recent memory where it was very clear what the plan was. The weather forecast coincided with their 32nd ranked run defense and so we leaned hard on the run. Clear that Ski didn't want to a rookie chucking it in the rain and anyway, he got torched for having him throw 50 times last week.

If Gabriel is indeed a career backup... a low drama manager who isn't a loose cannon, doesn't turn the ball over and who is a consummate system guy... that's a major need and a fantastic find in the 3rd round. I'd be perfectly happy with that outcome assuming we land our guy next draft. But maybe let's wait more than a few odd games before making that determination. Our OL makes any QB look like either a dink-dunker because they have to go to the dump off read so quickly or a loose cannon, ala Flacco. I hope we continue to lean heavy on the run and tight ends and get creative with it. We simply won't be a successful deep ball team until the line gets fixed.

And I agree 100% with Peen.. winning creates culture. It's also not clear that 2026 is going to be the amazing QB draft everyone was touting last spring.

- Defense played lights out... The D-line has potential to be a real threat for the next few years. Berry should already be on the phone with Alex Wright agent.
- Offense needs to revolve around Judkins - simple. I'll take 3 tuddys over him having 150+ rushing yards any day.
- Dillon didnt play horrible, but he missed some easy ones. Not optimistic that we can make a run with Dillon.
- Tyson Campbell trade is working to our favor.

I have written b3fore about wasted first down calls and how Ski insists apparently to stay behind the chains. Our middle run calls are not deceptive, and they can't be called for production. The D was a band of heroes, the O seemed lost. I am willing to risk handing over KS duty as play caller to someone else is we can see what we have, a popular poster notion.We answered the bells on defense. Our offense needs production, not another snappy interview. Hats off to our backs. Thanks for carrying KS.

j/c

It's odd how people recognize and point out we have a terrible OL and awful WR's. Then those very same people turn around and knock a 3rd round QB pick in his third NFL start who went 13-18 and doesn't turn the ball over.

Go figure.

I was really enjoying the W until I read this thread.

With those 2 issues will we be able to get an honest assessment on what we have with Dillon?

I don't think so. To some extent possibly. We can see that no matter the pressure he is smart and doesn't turn the ball over. We can see by his numbers he is a fairly accurate passer.

His college highlight reel and college game film shows he has the arm strength and accuracy when passing downfield. But I think if Stefanksi tries dialing those long developing plays up with this OL and WR's it would only serve to get Gabriele killed. I believe the plays we are seeing called and executed on the field are more a product of the roster on OL and WR than anything else.

It comes down to likelihood. How often can Stefnaski count on this OL to give Gabriele plus two seconds in the pocket? Which WR's do we have can count on to get separation downfield? It's hard to make a decision to call plays that have very little odds of success. Even those dreaded "run plays up the middle" have better odds of success than long passing plays would.

I don't know and certainly would never predict what Gabriel's NFL ceiling is, but I do know if the Browns had the personnel on the OL and at WR we would certainly be seeing the passing game opened up more and see that the limited play calling we are seeing now is not due to Gabriele lacking the arm strength or ability to throw the ball down field.

I felt like Dillon made nice throws when he was called on to do so (I got home and was able to turn the TV on for the second half, but doesn't sound like I missed much passing game). I didn't see any egregious QB mistakes or misthrows. Saw some more drops, though. Missing Njoku hurt, I think... and I was really surprised Fannin's targets did NOT take a big jump up.

The script to follow for the Browns to win games this year is not hard to decipher. Defense keeps the game close and helps out the O with turnovers and even scoring... and the O has to least not shoot themselves in the foot. Same for special teams.

So running a ton (especially with the elements yesterday) makes sense. Like Homewood Dog said, I do wonder how well we can evaluate DG (or SS when that time comes) with this Oline and corps of pass-catchers. I'm a big fan of NOT throwing everything at a rookie QB right from the jump... and I hope that as we get further from this first stretch of opponents we can maybe see the offense open up a little, but I have my doubts we will be able to flex our muscles in the passing game given how poorly most of the supporting cast has played.

I'd be more optimistic about Dillon if he was pushing the ball down the field more. Now, that could be because we don't trust our OL, but we have nothing beyond 10-15 yards in the air. We rely on quick, short timing routes

Way more fun watching a win then a loss. Jud is pretty damn good, That spin move at the goal was fun