DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Gameday vs New England Postgame Thoughts

- The Browns managed their staple scripted opening drive for a TD and then managed nothing on offense until garage time.

- Kev's streak of losing by double digits on road games remains intact. Vrable kindly let off the gas at some point in third quarter.

- Myles Garrett had a monster game that had next to no impact on the outcome. 5 sacks, including a strip sack.

- Judkins was ineffective even before he banged up his shoulder. The Patriots still have not allowed a RB to rush for over 50 yards.

- Gabriel was lousy. 2 INTS and an intentional grounding in the end zone. Not sure he even bothered to look when he threw that pass.

- Opposing offense should just run laterally against the Browns. It's a clear weakness of the defense.

- The Browns offense is almost unspeakably bad.

- Jerry Jeudy 0 catches, 0 yards and just 2 targets. What is this team even doing?

- Isaiah Bond 0 catches, 0 yards and 4 targets.

- Nice interception by Schwesinger.

- Alex Wright continues to earn himself a second contract.

- Bojorquez and Szmyt both attempt onside kicks. Odd.

- There is nothing professional about this team's offense.

Schedule all remaining games against Miami in inclement weather.

Browns fans get a reprieve with bye week ahead.

This is the worst offense I have ever seen.

Milk while it is accurate to say judkins was “ineffective “, a defender, often multiple defenders, made contact with Q before he reached the los on many of his runs. He had no chance to even get started.

It doesn't help that Gabriel sticks the ball out in the direction Q intends to run to telegraph it for what seems like forever.

I don’t believe we have ever fielded a worse offense than the 2025 Browns offense.

The Browns telegraph their plays, the Patriots run defense is outstanding, all culminating in an ineffective run game performance today. We've seen lots of boom or bust.

Two head coaches in 3 weeks - one having a pop at Berry the other at Stefanski. Maybe it's reverse Psychology and these guys are scared about facing them over the long haul? Or maybe our FO is a predicatble joke to many in the NFL and neither will ever get a chance to hold the same position ever again once Haslam finally lets them go.

Berry put together a great Defense

Now it's time to use the next couple of drafts to build an offense that simulates the Defense

Slow steps

It'll work out

Hopefully, not too serious.

It's beyond bad. It's not even watchable. Our first string OL and we can't run the ball and our passing game is very substandard. I realize we don't have good wr's and DG is a rookie but something is seriously wrong with our offence. It's ineffective seemingly lacking imagination. It's almost impossible to watch and be optimistic. With the trade deadline, I'm expecting (and hoping for) big changes personnel-wise....

I'm not a Shedeur fan but I don't care, it's time to get him ready. There was never a better time than now, we have a bye week and the Jets.

I don't care, it's time to see him. I'm so sick and tired of Gabriel's dink and dunk crap. I don't want to see it again. He's not the guy.

Put Shedeur in, either he has it or he doesn't. He can't be worse than Gabriel can he?

I sure wish we had Kenny Pickett right now.

I got to watch the whole game today and except for the first drive and Myles it was unwatchable. In fairness Dillon does not have much to work with, but he did have some plays that could have been made and weren't. He will probably be a good backup and have a good career in that role. I don't think he is a starting QB in the league. Right now, with the lack of talent we have on O I don't think any QB could move this team.

This is the worst offense we've had since I can remember. The WRs stink, OL is old and bad, QB is an average backup type. Man, it's brutal

The first two comments are on mark. The third? Maybe.

When Joe was here, he threw a lot of dink and dunk passes as well. Maybe that is a "tell".

All right, we know Gabriel isn't it now, NEXT!

Anyone provide an update on DW's status? Just inquiring...

It’s gonna be funny to watch everyone when they see that sanders is just as bad. It’s bigger than the QB guys. Hate to tell ya.

It’s a combo of a bad o-line with a bad wr room

Everyone is bigger than the QB on the Browns. Gabriel's dink and dunk throws and watching him trying to play QB brings back way too many DTR vibes for me. Teams are stacking the box and and have no respect for his ability to push the ball down the field. If Sanders can't throw 5-yard passes to running backs out of the back field or screen passes to the tight end the team really does not have a QB on the roster. Gabriel actually had more time to throw today that Maye had. He was sacked much less times. His problem was his inability to push the ball down the field.

I've also been so underwhelmed by our ST's unit. The return game is bad and never provides a spark at all

Our OL can’t block well enough to give our RBs or the QB, a reasonable chance to execute a play. Opposing defences don’t respect our deep throws, at all, they stack the box and dare us to throw.

Our WRs are little fellas. We need to draft a stud WR next spring, and a QB. DG will likely be a good backup, but probably not much more.
What a shame to waste this defence , even though they weren’t great today - run D was terrible- on this offence.

Bojorquez is having a bad year, too. It's overlooked because how bad the rest has been.

Look at this year's stats as a team and as individuals. Our offence sucks. And it's not their fault. They have no leadership, a rookie qb with no arm, and a coach who doesn't know a dang thing about the NFL based upon his up and down career. No stability at all. And then there's the qb pick that the front office went all in on. Gabriel ain't got it. And Sanders is gathering lumber. PLAY HIM! Only consolation after a game like this is in knowing that soon the Brook Park Browns will automatically get a super bowl win. That plus the Bungals losing to the Jets...that was a bright spot on the day.

You'll have to wait to find out.

I hate saying this but when will Watson be available to play?

Yeah I saw that.

I know it's more than just Gabriel.

From the offensive line to the wide receivers to the play calling to the coaching staff to the general manager.

We're ready for a complete overhaul of everything, I've tried to be patient but I can't wait any longer. It's time to make some changes everywhere.

I liked Stefanski also, until now. I just don't see him as the guy anymore with this conservative dink and dunk approach he's using, and now he won't let go of Gabriel.

I'm ready to move on to the next step, and I really hate to do it all over again. I really do, but it's time.

This offense is worse than the 0-16 Hue Jackson offense given we have more talent.

I sat through the 99-01 teams, 09-13 teams, 15-18 teams ... this offense is the worst of them all

My guess is Haslam will allow Berry and Stefanski to stumble along until it's time to foist PSL purchase agreements upon would be season ticket holders at the new stadium. About this time, he'll part with the old and bring in the new to sell that sense of hope and bright future as he has done so deftly in the past.

Getting blown out when a single player on your Defense has 5 sacks and your Offense barely gets over 200 yds and 13 points, should be a fireable offense.

The game went as expected. We scored more points than I thought we would which is nice. Myles got some sacks but new England was using his aggressiveness against him to pick up chunk yards on running plays. Our two safeties got bullied all day long. Our o-line blocked better than I thought they would. Sadly Gabriel was not able to take advantage of much better blocking.

I think I have already seen all I need to see of GB. He just doesn't have the physical ability to play in the NFL. Even when he has time to throw it just doesn't look very good. IF Kevin can't see that then it's time for him to go too. It's time to start Sanders and let him take his lumps. If he can do well then great. If he can't then it's time to draft a better one and let these two fight to be the back up. Sanders at least has a chance to become a good QB. I don't think DG does. DG has played 4 games so now give SS 4 games and lets see how it looks.

Thrash had a few nice catches I think but our WRs look like hot garbage. I hope we draft some BIG PHYSICAL WRs because I'm tired of watching our short WRs get punked and knocked off their routes constantly.

100% - Gabriel is struggling. I don't know what his floor or ceiling is but it's not looking great but then who would? I suspect Sanders is much worse. It'll be funny to hear all the people clamoring for Sanders give him get all the excuses after excuse once he starts, holds the ball too long (which won't be long at all) and is sacked endlessly.

Oh and here's RG3 talking out of his Butt. I'm not a KS fan but what RG3 is saying is junk.

https://www.facebook.com/RG3/videos...starter-in-cleveland-i/2030006254508356/

I think both things are true: Gabriel sucks and our OL/WRs suck. It's just a horrendous offensive unit ... and yes, that falls on the FO, coaches, and players

Started out promising.. Held them to a FG,, then go right down for a score. Geez,, From there it was Crap except for Myles Garrett and a few others.

This is a really bad offense. I hesitate to lay it at the feet of Gabriel but he's not taking control like say a Baker Mayfield might do. Actually does!

We seem rudderless on offense. The system isn't working out well.

Not sure if changing QB's at this point will actually accomplish anything.. But it might be worth a shot.

Bright spots: Fannin, Garrett, Carson S, (hope he's ok) and the D as a whole.

Gabriel looks terrible......again.