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since you didn't respond to my list of Browns drafted since 2020 Mac here you go

1st year for our front office 2020
1st round Wilis... BUST
2. Delpit... great pick
3.a Jordan Elliot.. starter for the 49ers
3 B. Phillips... with the Colts on IR
4 Bryant ... On Houstons Roster
5 Harris... Lasted 4 years in the NFL
6. Donovan People Jones... lasted 4 years in the NFL 109 catches for 1,740 yards and 8 TD's in his 3 years with Cleveland.

2021
1. ...Newson... Good pick
2. ... JOK Great
pick
3 Swartz... BUST
4a... Hudson Backup with Giants
4.b Togiai On Texas Roster 3.3 million per year.
5a... Fields Lasted 4 years in NFL
6. Lecounte lasted 3 years in NFL
7. Felton Lasted 5 years in NFL Released AUG 26 of this year by Washington

2022

3a... Emerson... good pick
3b... Wright... good pick
3c ... Bell injuries ended his career before he had a chance.
4a... Winfrey... BUST
4b.. York ... Bad Pick
5. ... Ford... good pick
6.... Woods... Injuries killed his career
7a. Thomas lasted 3 years in NFL, was cut by the BEngals this year.
7b.. Deaton... career ended by injuries

2023

3a... Tillman... injurie prone
3b ... Ika... BUST
4a... Jones... Good pick
4b ... Mcguire... good pick
5a... RObinson... lasted a few years and ended up being traded for a 5th round pick
5b... Mitchell... good pick for the 5th round
6. ...Wypler... good pick

2024

2. ... Hall.... looks godd but jury is still out
3. ... Zinter... Good pic
5 ... Thrash... ???
6. ... Watson... Backup LB
7a. ... Harden... looks good so far for a 7th rounder
7b. ... Briggs traded to Jets with a 7th round pick for a 6th round pick

2025

1. ...Graham Looks like a great traDE so far
2a. ...Schwesinger looks great
2b. ...Judkins... looks great
3a. ...Fannin... Looks great
3b. ... Dillon... Jury is still out
4. ... Sampson... good pick
5. ... Sanders... Jury is still out.


2026 Cleveland Browns Draft Picks
Round
Pick Source
1st 1st Browns' own pick
1st (via JAX) Jacksonville Jaguars (from a 2025 trade)
2nd 2nd Browns' own pick
3rd 3rd Browns' own pick
4th 4th Browns' own pick
5th 5th Browns' own pick
5th (via LV) Las Vegas Raiders (from a 2025 trade)
5th (via CIN) Cincinnati Bengals (from the Joe Flacco trade)
6th 6th Browns' own pick
7th (via PHI) Philadelphia Eagles (via a 2025 trade with the Jaguars)

Analytics uses the current data to arrive at mathematical statistics that reflect what the data says based on that current data. It can't predict the future. Every NFL team, NBA team and MLB team use analytics. Yet you continue this.

LMAO come back when you want to talk football instead of fairy tales.

If a player cannot make it to a 2nd contract with the team that drafted him, I would consider that player to be a bust of a draft pick.

So, if you follow that train of thought:

2020 - 7 picks, 6 failures and 1 hit (Delpit)
2021 - 8 picks, 6 failures - 1 average at best in 1st rd pick Newsome for being traded for a 2021 2nd Rd pick CB Campbell and a 2026 7th rd pick and giving up Newsome and a 2026 6th Rd pick - JOK is a hit but his ability to return from injury is highly dependent of being able to staying a hit - IMHO.
2022 - 9 picks, 6 failures, 1 questionable hit in backup RB Ford a 5th Rd pick, 2 hits in Emerson and Wright.
2023 - 7 picks, 6 failures which includes 3rd pick Tillman (oft injured), 4th Rd pick Jones (3 consecutive years with injury), and 6th Rd pick Wypler (has failed to meet starter expectations), 2 hits with Mcquire and Mitchell.
2024 - 6 picks, 1 failure in Briggs, 4 with the jury still out in Hall, Thrash, Harden with Zinter (hasn't lived up to starter expectations, and 1 hit in 6th Rd backup LB Watson.
2025 - 7 picks, too early to determine hits or failures but looking good in Graham, Schwesinger, Judkins, Fannin, and Sampson as a backup with complete unknowns with Dillon and Sanders.

That gives Berry in 6 years currently - 44 picks, 24 failures, 2 average, 2 with serious injury questions, 9 to be determined and 7 current hits.

Add to that of the 15 AP 1st and 2nd team All-Pro selections during Berry and Stefanski's time, "0" NONE have been drafted by Berry and Stefanski with only Conklin in 2020 being acquired via FA during their time in charge.

Might be a reason for their 42-50 record over their timeframe.

Psst Steve maybe you need to learn math as well as football. Only about 44 percent of 1st round draft picks sign a second contract with their original team and it drops way off for each round after that.

The fairy tale has been pointed out to you over and over and over again but you just pretend you don't hear or see it. You insist that reality is that Depo makes decisions and runs things on the footall side. You have been making that crap up for a long time. Tell me Mac just how does the Browns analytics department run different than all the other 31teams analytics departments since none of their departments run football operations anywhere outside of your head bro.

So Baker is a bust. Got it.


Your logic and post is also a bust.

So, did Baker sign a second contract with the Browns? Has his top 5 performance the last 2 plus years benefited the Browns in any way since he left? How could Cleveland claim any credit for a drafted players performance that they gave up on? You're just trying to spin something that had nothing to do with the post. Baker was a 1st Rd 1st overall selection by the Browns that they bailed on prior to his next deal after 4-years. If that isn't considered a failing draft selection by the Browns, I don't know what is!

“If a player cannot make it to a 2nd contract with the team that drafted him”

Your words.

There is nothing to spin. It’s your first sentence and I debunked the premise of it.

Again, Baker DID NOT make it to a 2nd contract with the team that drafted him - start debunking because you're wrong on the premise that was stated.

We all know what went down with Baker. We know how that trade worked out. It doesn’t really matter they he didn’t get to his second contract with the Browns, we are three years on from that.
Keep picking nits. You’re good at it.

Let me say it in a classy way: real Browns fans have moved on and no longer GAF.
Why don’t you just go down to Tampa and give him a passionate kiss?

Thew quote wasn't about Baker, the post was about the poor draft selections Berry has made sense he's been the GM. Since Berry and Stefanski arrived, the Browns have had 15 AP 1st or 2nd Team All Pro selections for the Browns. The Browns have not had a single AP All Pro that they drafted in 6 years and actually only 1 from the signing Conklin as a Free Agent.

Here is another lesson... It's a TEAM sport Steve.

The coaches that turn around teams are tough, smart guys with passion. Dan Campbell, Mike Vrabel, Ben Johnson. Our coach shows no passion, with the same demeanor after a loss as after a win. He doesn’t push the team in training camp. His offense is not innovative. It is not working.
As for The Baker debate, everyone can say he was immature here and had to go on this odyssey to find his greatness. There is some truth to that, but he had a rookie season for the ages, and played with a different OC every year. Then, he played while badly hurt and got punished for that and humiliated during the Watson courtship. It would have been nice if he could’ve matured while here, but we don’t have the support system for that. So we can watch him win an MVP in Tampa while our search continues. It was a failure by the Browns.

Here's an idea ... merge with the Bengals. They have no defense, and we have no offense.

If we're going to make a wholesale change, I wouldn't mind landing someone from Green Bay's org. That is a team that has seamlessly moved from one HoF QB to another. Whatever it is you're supposed to be looking for in a QB, they know what it is.

Kokinis...? Really!?

Here's the quote. Trying to backtrack now is not attractive.

I was gonna say... I agree with the premise of his post but he's missing one big part of the equation. Making all picks (rounds 1-7) equal and grading on how many total picks make it to their second contract doesn't make much sense. And when you look at how many picks we've had in the first and second rounds, the math starts to math a little better.

Basically everything on the roster side of things all comes back to the Watson deal. That was a "push all the chips to the center" transaction as there will ever be... we obviously didn't hit and have to bear the consequences. The only little wrinkle in all of this if we can argue that Stefanski was part of Watson's failure... but the part about Dorsey coming here was supposed to mitigate that.

LMAO

Just how long have you been a Browns fan, Stevie??

Ah, thanks for the lesson. Of course it's a TEAM sport GM. Who is responsible for building that TEAM and creating that TEAM atmosphere? We're in year 6 of the Berry and Stefanski rule. To date, they have posted a team record of 42-50 record and it's getting worse. The TEAM concept is not a viable option if you don't have consistent playmakers though. When Berry and Stefanski was hired, they inherited some of those type players for example: Garrett, Ward, Chubb, Bitionio, and Teller just to name a few. They inherited a solid base that needed to be built upon.

So, who is responsible for continuing the build and who is responsible for creating that TEAM atmosphere and cohesiveness? Let's review their TEAM build since being in charge: Is the QB play they inherited in 2020 gotten better at any time than what they had inherited? How about at RB? Wait, can you name a single offensive position right now that is better than the 2020 starting depth chart. Where is the succession planning. Can you give me one positive in that area on offense? Why the hell not?

Defensively, Ward - Garrett - and 2020 draftee Delpit remain the nucleolus of the defense. Outside of those 3, all the other positions on the defense have changed from that 2020 team. Berry had another hit in JOK but with his injury maybe being career ending is no help. Graham, Schwesinger, and Emerson look promising but are they an improvement over the inherited 2020 team, equal, or just a replacement piece?

After 6 years and basically an unlimited amount of money to spend since the Browns have been the highest spend team in the NFL 3 years running, wouldn't you expect or should hold accountable Berry and Stefanski having a zero improvement at any position from the 2020 team they inherited on offense? Inheriting Garrett, Ward, and drafting Delpit in 2020, what about the other 8 positions on defense (with 3 or 4 being promising)? Is it satisfactory enough to say the defense is better today than the inherited 2020 defense - after 6 years, why not?

The tell tell is the facts of their TEAM build and TEAM atmosphere. Since that inherited 2020 team in 2020, Berry and Stefanski have put together a TEAM that over the next 4 1/2 years that has gone 31-45 a .408-win percentage.

So, here's the challenge for the Browns you might not know. Over the last 4 1/2 years, the Browns have won 31 games to date. What you might not know is the bottom 5 teams in the entire NFL for wins the last 4 1/2 years concurrent is:
32. Raiders (30), 31. Jaguars (30), 30. Browns (31), 29. Saints (31), 28. Falcons (32). What this means is that if the Browns lose 1 more game the remainder of this season than the Raiders, Jaguars, Saints or Falcons, they will post the worst record in the last five seasons for the entire NFL.

Whether the Browns are the worst or not, they'll be in the bottom 3. So, let me ask you, has the TEAM building and TEAM atmosphere or cohesiveness anywhere close to an acceptable level? After six years being in charge, there's a high probability that the Browns under Berry and Stefanski will have delivered the worst record in football over the last 5 years. How many more years do we have to accept this failed project because as of today, you can't call it anything more than a failure.

Oh I agree he didn’t make a second contract.





In your written words after the comma, YOU would consider that player a bust of a draft pick. The post was “if you follow that train of thought”.


There are many examples of that being a not true statement. What is hilarious is your boy is one of those examples.

Maybe you should look at who signed off on the watson deal to place blame since that seems to be what you're searching for. That's what robbed us of talent. That and the cap space to sign FA's which you openly admit is true. I can't imagine that would be so complicated for you but it sure seems to be. How well would your draft classes look if you lost three firsts and a second round pick in the past four years? Maybe stop reacting with your emotions and engage your mind instead.

A.I. let you down or you copy and pasted an outdated article:

John Spytek is the GM of the Las Vegas Raiders

Mike Borgonzi is the GM of Tennessee Titans

George Kokinis - hysterical.

Having said that, I have no issue with Laser Eyes getting canned as long as everyone goes.

Below is an example of what Depo has done for the Browns as CFO. Yet Depo keeps his job. It's time for lthe entire analytics crew to go...

On March 18, 2022, DePodesta helped to facilitate a trade for Deshaun Watson.[11] Watson and the Texans' 2024 sixth-round draft pick were traded to the Cleveland Browns in exchange for the Browns' first-round draft picks in 2022, 2023, and 2024, as well as the Browns' third-round pick in 2023 and fourth-round picks in 2022 and 2024. As part of the trade, Watson signed a new, fully guaranteed, five-year, $230 million deal with the Browns, making it the largest contract at the time and most guaranteed money in NFL history.

You know Mac out of respect for you I spent over an hour this morning going over our old posts over the last 3 years. I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

It didn't work. I was just reminded how you post links to unknown bloggers (many of which can't even be pulled up anymore). you still forget to put ONCE UPON A TIME before many of your posts because I have been reminded just how many times you have reached up your own backside to try to pull out an answer, or worse yet your just making them up or out right lying. I was reminded of just how many times you refuse to answer questions after you stuck your foot in your mouth.

Now as to your question Which unlike yourself I already answered on 10-16-24 here you go AGAIN

Originally Posted by mac
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I know for a FACT Depo has made zero moves. So if you want criticsm here it is. You have no clue what you talking about.

GM..the Browns have Depo listed as their "CHIEF STRATEGIST" and he ranks as being the #2 on the Browns organizational chart.......link
Cleveland Browns staff
Front office
Owners – Jimmy Haslam, Dee Haslam, Whitney Haslam-Johnson, J.W. Johnson
Chief strategy officer – Paul DePodesta

Depo is portrayed by the Cleveland media as Haslam's #2 showing Jimmy and Depo watching the team practice and the individual right next to Haslam is Depodesta. The Browns want Depodesta shown right next to ownership.


GM, tell us what Depodesta does..



Besides steal your lunch money and bully you wink


His job is "Chief Strategy Officer" and officially that's "DePodesta is tasked with implementing systems and processes to strengthen the Browns organization."


This includes the entire organization. From setting up plans on running the entire organization from Hiring process of janitors, media people, sales staff, secretary's, scouts, and yes even GM's and Head Coaches. He was instrumental in setting up the process that lead to the Hiring of AB, and Ski. He is in charge of the Analytics Department. He is NOT in charge of Hiring the GM, hiring the Head Coach, saying who gets drafted, traded for, traded away, put on the practice squad, or any other thing you can make up in your own mind.

j/c

And a general comment. I was in a smaller minority that - before Berry and KS got extensions - I was in a position of wanting to move on from them. Various reasons, all of which have been made at some point, and none of those opinions are such that I feel the need to brow beat or try to convince another Browns fan who wants to stick with KS and Berry that they are wrong. There's been nothing since then to change my mind. On the one hand the KS performance as HC and offensive play caller has maybe gotten worse while also showing what I find to be consistent patterns (negative) of behaviour - while also acknowledging that the roster has gotten progressively worse making KS's job that much harder or more futile. The one area of the team that has been consistently decent has been the defense which KS has (virtually / little) to do with. . . . To me AB and KS are joined at the hip, they appear to run this organization and work together in partnership with a high degree of agreement. That should be a good thing - but the results (to me) appear to point to that disite the partnership, we have the wrong people in place.

What I cannot answer is who I think we need to replace them with. I'm not even going to speculate on that. But - just for myself - I would rather jetison the people who I have lost faith with and take a flier on the unknown and unproven than continue into a 7th year with what I have seen so far. The 2025 draft class looks good. Berry's other drafts aren't great. Proably not terrible either .... but the fact is with or without a Watson being a top 5 or top 10 QB - this team and the talent on the roster is far worse than it was 6 years ago.

If they keep their jobs - I'm not going to post everyday about how bad the decision is. Just like always I will hope that I was wrong and that they do better. Its the only thing we can do as fans.

If we blow up the front office it will be another 4 or 5 years of that record for sure. New Gm and Head Coach want their own players so it's starting from scratch all over again. Tell me Steve just how has that worked out for the Browns since 1999???

Not very well has it. So, your solution is to hang on to the two guys that after 6 years will have a losing record and could very well have over the last 5 years post the worst record in the NFL. Keep in mind that the last 3 years of that timeframe the Browns have the highest annual spend of any team in the NFL. Your solution is to keep going with these two in a hope that it'll start changing.

First, what have they done in 6 years that gives you a single clue that it'll start changing? As I've been saying, in 2020, Stefanski and Berry were handed a playoff caliber team with the only long term add they made that year was drafting Delpit -the only draft pick from 2020 still with the team. They proceeded from that inherited team to be on the verge of posting the worst record in football over the next 5 years.

Second, with their record, what happens if it doesn't turn completely around next year or the year after? Spoiler alert, that rebuild suddenly becomes 6-7 years.

Third and most importantly, blowing up the FO doesn't necessarily mean 4-5 years. Even if it does, what's the purpose of keeping Stefanski and Berry if it's going to have to be blown up anyway?

Finally, the current Browns roster has to be blown up especially on offense. Let's review: The Browns have no viable long-term QB. The current crew has had 5 first round pick QB's on the roster the last 5 years that they haven't been able to get franchise QB play out of any of them (their judgement). The offensive line is in shambles and aging. Four of the five have expiring contracts (with high dead cap). The fifth, Jones, has had season ending knee injuries every single season (3). Worst yet, because they have expiring contracts, Berry has to extend them which would be higher contracts (stupid) prior to March 1st with zero cap space. Njoku has an expiring contract and certainly will want an extensión with higher pay. This too must be settled prior to March 1 or he becomes a FA. Again, no cap space to extend really and a huge dead cap also. The Dead Cap charge on these guys alone is over 80M. The WR room is a joke, and I'll leave it at that. RB might be fixed but drafting another would be a good idea just in case. At a minimum, that's getting 8 players on offense alone which includes a franchise QB.

How can anyone want Berry and Stefanski to put together this offense with their record. I mean it's been 6 years, and this is the best they can put on the field. JJMHO, but the current offensive backups haven't shown anything close to being replacement options. I base that on what I've witnessed last year and this year when they have had to play.

We can get an idea of what Berry and Stefanski believe their idea of a "franchise QB" looks like by examining their past QB selections are...

2023-5th rnd-Dorian Thompson-Robinson

2025-3rd rnd-Dillon Gabriel

2025-5th rnd-Shedeur Sanders

Yeah, all top 10 picks.

Mac might have finally got his wish…




The next Chief Strategy Officer’s record is soon to be undefeated at 0-0

It already was 0-0 get with the program.

None of which you know to be true.