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the most I care anymore is to create this thread LOL

however, how did we lose to the bum-ass Jets, especially after a bye week and they traded their 2 best defensive players??? I was busy installing a new water heater so missed most of the game until about 6 mins left in the game, guess I didn't miss much.

Don’t we always lose after the bye week? Whenever I make my season predictions I almost always count the post bye game as an L. I think I made an exception this year but I was thinking we might very well lose this one.

This really looked bad. Of course Bubba Ventrone’s job looks seriously in jeopardy. 14 points in retuned kicks. Great, just great.

The OL was garbage again. Why they don’t roll Gabriel out of the pocket more I may never understand. But he didn’t look great. Some good throws, some bad ones. No INTs and that’s good. Just doesn’t pass the eyeball for potential future NFL franchise guy at this point. I’ve been very pro Gabriel because of his experience and his calm under fire. But I don’t know anymore. He’s certainly not the spark we need. But maybe no one would have that spark.

The bigger issue is that the team looks lost. Like in a profound way. I don’t want to doubt Ski but the team looks more than a little rudderless.

Thoughts?

This team is trash.

OL and WRs are garbage. The "vaunted" defense got exposed, again.

Being Top 3 or Top 5 in "Passing Defense" is meaningless. There are no style points for yardage. Points are all that matter and if you're giving up points, it is completely worthless to say "yeah, but at least they don't give up a lot of yards".

LT is worse than a tree stump. Special teams has been bad for awhile now. Not sure Dan Marino would have any more success with this OL and receivers we have.

This team had the 31st ranked roster in August .
Yet so many on here thought a simple change in oline blocking philosophy was
Going to magically turn the offense around .
And if anyone criticized Andrew Berry , his fan club would let you
Hear about it . His 2025 Draft had so many Homer's fooled

Indeed. The team is absolutely atrocious. The defense plays well at home and it does not follow on the road. Same as when they were "the #1 defense in the NFL" in 2023.

I've said it before, the Browns are just not a serious organization.

Today's calamity of errors was mildly amusing at this point.

I just don't see why they drafted Dillon. His passes look like garbage even when he has plenty of time to throw. I'm tired of it. Let Sanders play and lets get it over with.

Special teams is a JOKE. There is no way this game is not friable for the special teams coach.

I honestly wonder if they are playing bad on PURPOSE to draft higher in the draft.

Bravo.

We were losing 14-7 and they hadn't had a first down !

We lost by jumping offsides in the most ridicuous way possible - their HC was laughing his pants off.

I came here to post the same tweet that Milk just posted: Since 1950, teams had been 225-0 when holding opponents to 175 or fewer yards and not turning the ball over.

After Hue Jackson it was hard to ever imagine a new low ... and yet, here we are.

I don't know how this team trots out Gabriel anymore unless they think the best chance to lose (thus a higher draft pick) is with him in the game.

I'm truly sick to my stomach.

I am beginning to wonder if Stefanski is fed up with things and has been coaching to lose in the hopes he gets fired. If he resigns, he voids his contract.

Just an additional comment.

I know it would be next to impossible to prove, but with all the gambling info in the news has me wondering, with all the talk about tanking, not just the Browns, why would that not be considered throwing games?

Is throwing games not at minimum a 1st cousin to rigging games?

Who knows Ball. All I know is in 58 years of being a Browns fan this is the most disgusted I've ever been. I figured we would only win 5-6 games this year but now I doubt we will even reach that. I hate to see Shedeur play and take a beating, but we have to see what we have with him. When the coaches feel he is ready he should play but how can his ability be assessed correctly with the O-line and receivers we have? What a mess that DW deal caused this franchise.

I do believe that if Haslam had wanted to reboot the FO, he would have done so this past off-season. My guess is they had a multi-year plan to come out of the Watson fiasco.

Losses like this one are season-altering and plan-wrecking. I cannot imagine how Haslam can keep his itchy trigger finger in check after watching that game go down... and honestly, it's gotten REALLY hard to argue (honestly) against not blowing up at least this coaching staff.

Special teams has zero discipline/execution. Defense is starting to come apart at the seams... inexplicably not stopping the run when the Jets are arguably even more 1-dimensional than our own offense... sealing the win with a BRUTAL holding call and then the encroachment call. I can't even imagine what's percolating in the locker after a loss like that.

Not even going to get into the offense... say what you want about Stefanski's play-calling, that's so far down the list of issues with this offense it's not even worth talking about. Sad to say (but not surprised) DG just doesn't seem to be it. Maybe you could argue that nobody could look competent behind this Oline, but I just don't see much in his game to hang his hat on... he had the bye week to try to get up to speed and I just don't see much to hang your hat on with his play. He has a hard time finding open guys (they are there, sometimes) and is starting to make more and more questionable decisions (and decision-making was supposed to be his strength). He's taking a TON of sacks, especially against teams that aren't known for getting after the QB.... and part of that is on the Oline, but he plays a part as well with holding the ball.

Unfortunately, I really don't know what the argument would be to keep KS at this point. As I said, losses like this (both in terms of who we lost to as well as how we ended up losing) tend to be the start of sharp downturns and drastic decisions.

I can't believe he played as well as he did on the ankle. Unreal.

The D only gave up 13 points. The other 14 were on kick returns by the special teams. I wouldn't say giving up 13 points means "The "vaunted" defense got exposed, again."

In August the Browns had the 31st ranked roster in the NFL. The coaching staff doesn't create the roster. If you're going to blow up the coaching staff you need to blow up the man responsible for creating this putrid roster in the first place to go along with him. Otherwise you're just setting the next HC up for failure. The roster itself is at least, if not more than half the problem here. In my opinion more than half. It makes no sense to fire Stefanski and not show Berry the door too.

They were great right up until it mattered most.

If s D only gives up 13 points and you're blaming the loss on that D you really need to look elsewhere. The special teams unit gave up more points that the Browns D did.

Don’t worry, we always find a way to lose.

Haslam was too busy with politicians down in Columbus and in CLE trying to close the multi-billion dollar stadium deal to be bothered with a full on GM and HC search last offseason. Thinking there was/is a plan in place is giving them too much credit. They're making it up as they go along. Look no further than the hilarious four man QB competition that was a complete and total waste of time.

Throwing things at the wall and hoping something sticks.

The plan is to get the top draft pick. Why else trade Flacco and Pickett? Why start Gabriel after 4 games? Why else continue to start Gabriel when it is easy to see he is not starter material? He is a very limited QB plan and simple. He was over drafted by at least two rounds. His selection was a top 100 pick and could have been used on a much more valuable commodity than a too short, weak armed QB. They replaced DTR with a slightly improved version of himself in Gabriel.

Could you imagine any other great defense giving up at the end of the game like that?

The Ravens defense with Ray Lewis?

The Super Bowl Bears?

This is supposed to be a great defense. A great defense does not allow one of the worse offenses in the leagus march down on the field at winning time to score, and then make an incredibly stupid mistake to lose the game.

Good Lord man. The game lasts for four quarters. It's a body of work over the entirety of the game. Baker has been making late game comeback drives to win games. He couldn't manage to do that yesterday. Can you imagine! That's what great QB's do! Can't you see how that sounds?

If the ST's hadn't given up 14 points the score would have been 20-13 Browns yet you can't seem to see what the real problem was?

My first thought,thankfully they had 2 weeks to prepare,I could not have stomached this team on one week prep time.
Having two fat,slow guys on the kick cover team was not a good idea.
I like the rookie LB,Judkins and the corner they traded for.The DT that was a top ten pick doesnot play like a top ten pick.He holds the point of attack well,but a top ten pick should make game changing plays,he doesn't.
The midget QB needs to stop throwing late and high over the middle before he gets one of the receivers killed.It's no wonder they are afraid of the ball.
Jumping offside on 4th and 5 is unbelievable,a pee wee football error.It wouldn't have mattered anyhow,the offense wasn't going to score.

Go back a few years, I was of the opinion and still am that NO PRO league club should be based in Las Vegas.

I happened to be listening to radio in the car this morning. Turns out that the guys were saying how much Tags was against every putting an NFL team there. Obviously they were speaking about it because he passed the other day,

But I think Tags was right. It gives the look of something that just isn't right!

There are only two possible explanations. One, Stefanski is incompetent. Or what you said here. We all know the real answer is the former. Freddie Kitchens was more competent than Stefanski.

As Milk said this isn’t a serious organization. It’s a clown show that wouldn’t know how to win if someone gave them a recipe. I feel bad for the good players on the team being stuck with this. Could you imagine your son getting drafted by the Browns to play for Stefanski? I’d pull an Eli for sure.

Bet the Ravens big this week. I’m going to make some money off of this travesty.

This makes no sense. You can bet anywhere in the country.

Keep in mind who you replied to. Common sense is not his forte.

Every Browns fan I personally know believes the same as you in this regard. You wanna be known as a great defense? You need to make plays that change the game. Your team may still lose but not stopping - or even slowing - the Vikings on their final drive and boning the end of the Jets game after two weeks to prepare does not = a great defense. They ARE good...they are not even close to great.

If a great defense plays well enough to win through most of the game, then lets the other team cut through them like a hot knife through butter (and then seal the game for them on 2 boneheaded defensive penalties), are they really a great defense?


Nobody is arguing that ST's was the main issue... but beyond that our allegedly great defense had a couple chances to win the game and didn't.

I'll put it another way again... if the D had held on that last drive and given the offense another chance at scoring, we would be having a very different conversation (at least I would).


If the defense wants to be great, then they have to play great... and that involves closing out games.

It amazes me how people that see a defense give up a total of 13 points say such things. It boils down to what you are saying is this...................

"It's not about only giving up 13 points. It's about when they gave up those points."

One thing is an unmistakable fact. Any time your defense only gives up 13 points you should win that game. Period. Allowing 13 points is what great defenses do.

Everything else is nothing except a lot of, "Yeah but".

Do you think the defense played well?

I think they knew they were total crap in camp. This O needs a ton of new talent. And I doubt Ski or Berry get axed.

The announcer saying that the Browns had one of the worst opening drives he had ever seen, is the epitome of the Browns offense, especially coming off a bye week. Their offense is trying to make the 0-16 offense look like Super Bowl contenders