DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Looking Back: Browns 20 Jets 27 Postgame thoughts

Yes I do. For me the measuring sticks are how many yards did the D give up and how many total points did they give up. In both cases they passed those metrics with flying colors.

I see. So according to that it makes sense that a defense that has essentially shut out a bottom-tier offense for 3 quarters then turns decides about midway through the fourth quarter that "guys, we've done all we need to do here... so whatever we do to end the game is just gravy".

There are a couple reasons why we lost to the Jets. An allegedly great defense letting an offense that couldn't throw the ball for anything score 10 points in the very end of the game and then seal the win for them with dumb penalties is one of them.

So according to is that it makes sense that only giving up 13 points for an entire game doesn't matter because 7 of those points came at the end of the game?

If you lose a game while your D only gives up 13 points you need to be looking elsewhere for someone else to blame. So if the D isn't perfect for all 4 quarters they're to blame?


Yeah, like that happened.

This debate isn't about whether the Defense is at fault for the loss...it's about whether the Defense is "great".

If the Defense wants to be known as great, they must shutdown the other team at whatever crucial moment changes the outcome...it doesn't matter if the ONLY points they give up is a FG at the end of the game that results in a 3-0 loss.

No one would fault the Defense for that ^ loss - just like we aren't faulting them for the Jets OR Vikings loss....BUT...a truly GREAT Defense gets "another" stop when the game is on the line. Ours simply does not...our all-world DE leads that unit. He'll get (5) sacks in a (20) point loss and will get ZERO sacks on a last minute drive.

I think the defense shares in the blame for the loss. Like you said, they are supposedly great, and they were going against arguably a more one-dimensional offense than our own. Getting walked down the field by a team that can't pass the ball is laughable.

Jets attempted a TOTAL of 11 passes in the game, and completed 6. Only one of those pass attempts happened in the 4th quarter, and was completed (the short pass where Hall broke loose for 40-some yards). In their 2 drives in the 4th, they went for just over 100 yards and 10 points, plus dumb penalties to ice the game for the Jets on the final drive.


While it's silly to try to "blame" the D for the loss (which is what exactly nobody is doing), it's way worse to say the D played "good" when they beat up on a poor offense for 3 quarters just to turn around and get walked around the field and give up the win.

Once again, if holding your opponent to 13 points is what you call "giving up the win" while your special teams gave up 14 points it seems as though you're looking in the wrong direction.

Only allowing 13 points is good. Allowing !3 points would have been a win for the Browns.

I think any argument to the contrary is just silly.

Actually no it's not. You may wish to take another look. I was addressing the question.... "Do you think the defense played well?"


And if the D only gave up 3 points an entire game the loss would be the fault of the defense?

Do you think the defensive players are patting themselves on the back giving up 10 points in the last 2 full series to give up the lead?

Honestly, I'm asking and continuing the conversation out of sheer curiosity. You're trying to make it sound like the defense is blameless... it's not like calling out what the defense did wrong somehow absolves STs or the offense. STs giving up two TDs and the offense just being all-around pathetic is pretty obvious.

The defense showed that it could easily handle the Jets offense (and rightfully so given how bad they are). So why did they fold like a cheap tent at the end of the game?