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another loss ... another agony

Sanders is putrid. Not even a bright spot in any regard

OL is a sieve

Schwesinger is awesome -- what a player

We have zero playmakers on offense

ST's with another 1-2 bad blunders


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Hard to believe someone playing LT could be worse than Cam..

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Repeat offense.

Defense again played well

Myles and Carson wow. What a player Carson is. It is hard to fathom that he is a rookie. He most likely will win the Rookie DPOY.

Sanders looked like he did in college taking sacks. He backs up after snap and set. That is a bad habit. He made one quality throw.

Expectations became real. The offense 11 for 26 passing, 81 yards for both quarterbacks.

Putrid.

It is about the draft order. Too bad but that is the way it is.


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I wish we could keep this defense in their prime forever, unfortunately we will probably age out by the time our drafted QB/WR combo would ever be good


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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- I'm not convinced the Browns drafted a QB even capable of having a long career as a back-up in the NFL. 81 total team passing yards today. In 2025.

- Schwesinger is the DPOY.

- Defense showed up at home and held Lamar to a subpar performance. Garrett had another big game.

- Donovan McMillon had a heck of a play to keep the ball from going in the endzone on a punt. All for naught, however.

- 2 of 14 on 3rd downs. Pitiful.

- Monken and the Ravens offense made the big play when it mattered most.

I can't believe there are still seven more of these games left.

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The entire Offensive coaching staff from the Head coach to all assistants to waterboys/girls need to be gone. They are as bad, if not worse than the 0-16 Offense. It's that bad.


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I'm seeing comments on social media saying that Sanders showed some good signs and bright spots etc, and I think that is crazy. I thought he looked totally ill-equipped to even be on the field. Bailing backwards in the pocket, inaccurate, holding the ball, not athletic or quick enough to make big plays. I think the alarm bells should be ringing that KS knows exacly what he's seen in practice


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Hard to fault him as much after finding out these were literally his first reps with the 1s. That is a complete failure on the coaching staff. I understand giving the other rookie more than usual reps but to give Sanders literally no reps is a recipe for disaster. There is no built in rhythm or even timing to go off of. He was literally hung out to dry with nothing to go off of and the horrible line blocking for him.


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Judkins, Fannin, Schwesinger played their asses off. I feel bad for them. Myles too, but he's getting filthy rich for his efforts.


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Originally Posted by ~Con~Artist~
Hard to fault him as much after finding out these were literally his first reps with the 1s. That is a complete failure on the coaching staff. I understand giving the other rookie more than usual reps but to give Sanders literally no reps is a recipe for disaster. There is no built in rhythm or even timing to go off of. He was literally hung out to dry with nothing to go off of and the horrible line blocking for him.

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the bailing backwards thing. Sanders looked exactly the same as preseason#3. If he were just rushing throws or making dumb decisions or being out of sync with receivers then yeah... not enough practice reps.


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The fact that Sanders tried to take the blame for the team losing the game and the team wouldn't let him says quite a bit. That being said, 3 things are painfully clear: the Browns HAVE to get a left tackle in this draft in the first round, even if they have to trade up to do it, period. Another wide out wouldn't hurt either. Finally -- you have to throw the ball down the field to keep the defense honest, otherwise they sit on all the short stuff the entire game, effectively shutting your offense down. If they can figure out how to open up the intermediate/deep passing game it makes Judkins have a lot more room to operate in the running game.

Sidenote, it's coaching malpractice to not give your #2 QB ZERO reps in practice with the starters in case of injury-- Stefanski is getting roasted by former players on the NFL Network because of it.

I wonder if Bill Callahan would be open to returning to the Browns?

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Are these the same people that had just wrapped up saying DG needed all the reps he could get to try to get going within this offense?

I'm disappointed (but not surprised) that we had to trot Sanders out there this early. It took him less than a drive to revert to his tendency to hold the ball and run backwards.


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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Schwesinger is awesome -- what a player

He is everything I have wanted at ILB for decades. I coveted Patrick Queen when he came out ... but while I haven't seen that much of PQ to know - hard to believe he has had more impact (on a much better team) than Schwesinger. Above all else this season - this is the bright light for me.


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yeah he is smart, instinctual, great effort, tough, etc. It feels like there are two of him out there


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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The only good thing that can come out of this season is where we pick in the 2026 draft.

That is it. The only way to get better is to draft good players.

Nothing can happen until the players on the field are better than what we have now.

It feels like we have had the longest drought at quarterback in history.

I can only hope we find the answer in this coming draft.

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Originally Posted by bonefish


It feels like we have had the longest drought at quarterback in history.

We've had a lot of bad luck and bad choices to be sure. However that said - we had stellar QB play in 2018 and 2020. Over 3500 yards each year, 26+ TD's and a QB rating (old) of over 95 both seasons.) .... so I don't know that I agree we've had the longest draought. We had an imperfect guy who we (the FO) decided to move on from.


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Wasted Defensive effort. They were pretty damn good yesterday.

Is this what happens when you don't prepare your backup QB by having them work with the 1's during the week?


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With the first pick of the 2026 NFL draft, the Browns select a QB.

OL and WR will follow.

The have a terrible offense with a very good defense.


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Originally Posted by WooferDawg
With the first pick of the 2026 NFL draft, the Browns select a QB.

OL and WR will follow.

The have a terrible offense with a very good defense.

First 3 picks in 2026

QB
LT/WR
LT/WR depending on what the 2nd #1 pick was used for

Rounds 3 thru 7 will be more Oline.


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Baker had some good times in Cleveland.

He was not a difference maker at that time. I would like to have him now.

The reality is when he was with us. He was about average.

Bernie was our last franchise guy. That was a long time ago. As much I loved Bernie he was not a HOFer.

Otto Graham was our one and only franchise Hall of Fame quarterback.

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The REAL question is , do you really Trust ANY PART of this Organization to Draft a QB , Left tackle or WR. ..I THINK NOT ..
Did anyone watch just how bad Conklin was at Right Tackle ; was hard to watch how bad he was .. Browns need Two starting Tackles.. SO on top of a QB , WR , you really need to rebuild the whole OL.. Mason Graham is playing ok ,,,but like the # 5 pick in the first Round .. Ending with , we cant replace Haslam { thanksn NFL }, but Berry and Ski need to go ..

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Originally Posted by AlwaysABrownsFan
Hard to believe someone playing LT could be worse than Cam..

Again ... Why NOT? Any of these would be better than our current LT's and if it works saves a draft pick.

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LUKE FELIX-FUALALO, Eagles
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GARETH WARREN, Steelers
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Can anyone tell me what blocking scheme this is? rofl

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Originally Posted by DaveyD
Can anyone tell me what blocking scheme this is? rofl

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That is 100% on coaching. Stefanski has to own the lack of execution of his offense.


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