He also isn't making the play calls. Nothing we saw from Sanders indicated he was any better. All 32 NFL GM's passed on Sanders 4 times and some 5 times. There are reasons for that.
He is physically more gifted for sure. Taller, faster, stronger, and better arm talent. Can that make him a better QB? We shall see. Gabriel's one advantage is he processes quickly. If he had Sanders physical traits this would not be a discussion. He does not though. His physical limitations will hold him back.
I agree with you on your previous post. It was well-stated. I had a lot of hope for Gabriel, but with each passing week of not seeing a ton of improvement, that hope steadily went down. He had a ROUGH start to this year (operating within this offense as well as the defenses he had to go against with limited prep). I was really hoping to see improvement vs not-as-tough defenses, but instead saw a lot more of the same. He made a couple tougher throws vs Baltimore... but the flipside is that I think I'm seeing him get steadily less decisive. The six sacks vs the Jets really stands out. I understand our pass-blocking isn't doing anyone any favors, but six sacks to a defense that currently has 18 for the year catches your attention.
My worry with Sanders is that he hasn't addressed some of his more egregious weaknesses in his game, and it's going to be tough to get a good gage on what he could be for us. I was really hoping we wouldn't see him in action until much closer to the end of the year.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
None of that helps if you don't have it behind the ears. His bad traits are exactly the same as they were in college. College tape proves Gabriel has the arm strength. But when all looking downfield accomplishes with this OL is a very high likelihood you will be sacked it's a low success rate play. Who calls and looks for a play that takes 3 seconds to execute when your OL isn't even giving you 2 seconds?
Sometimes being fancy and looking flashy isn't the same thing as being smart.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
None of that helps if you don't have it behind the ears. His bad traits are exactly the same as they were in college. College tape proves Gabriel has the arm strength. But when all looking downfield accomplishes with this OL is a very high likelihood you will be sacked it's a low success rate play. Who calls and looks for a play that takes 3 seconds to execute when your OL isn't even giving you 2 seconds?
Sometimes being fancy and looking flashy isn't the same thing as being smart.
His arm is below average. Don't kid yourself. We have seen it for 6 weeks now. His two best traits are that he is a leader and has leadership skills and he processes plays quickly. He just does not have the physical skillset to be a starting QB in the NFL.
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Six weeks? So in this video are your eyes lying to you? Or are you going to turn a blind eye to it all together?
Com on man.
Yeah I know it was college but are you trying to say his arm has gotten weaker since college? that he has gotten poorer at reading coverages downfield since college? That's just not true. But you just keep clinging to your "six weeks".
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Six weeks? So in this video are your eyes lying to you? Or are you going to turn a blind eye to it all together?
Com on man.
Yeah I know it was college but are you trying to say his arm has gotten weaker since college? that he has gotten poorer at reading coverages downfield since college? That's just not true. But you just keep clinging to your "six weeks".
His arm is not NFL starter caliber. Sanders looked terrible on Sunday but when he threw down field the ball looked to rocket off his arm compared to what we have seen in Gabriel. Face it if Gabriel was 6'3 and had a stronger arm he would have been a 1st round draft pick and would probably been a super star. Well, he is not. They list him at 5"11 but most of the media in Cleveland says he is much closer to 5'9 than 5'11. He is just too small. I cannot help that. Did you watch the rose bowl last year? Ohio made him look just like he has looked all season long.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
Several of those passes on that video are undeniable NFL throws that show more than adequate arm strength. But I didn't actually expect you to admit that even with solid video evidence of it.
Did you see him look stellar and actually beat OSU in their first game last year? Gabriel went 23-34 with two TD's and 341 yards passing. The video evidence was provided for you. Publicly denying it is on you.
But you are tight about one thing. If he had more the prototypical size of an NFL QB he would have been drafted much higher. But that doesn't change the "fact" that the arm strength is there.
You do realize everyone who sees this board can also see that video, right?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Several of those passes on that video are undeniable NFL throws that show more than adequate arm strength. But I didn't actually expect you to admit that even with solid video evidence of it.
Did you see him look stellar and actually beat OSU in their first game last year? Gabriel went 23-34 with two TD's and 341 yards passing. The video evidence was provided for you. Publicly denying it is on you.
But you are tight about one thing. If he had more the prototypical size of an NFL QB he would have been drafted much higher. But that doesn't change the "fact" that the arm strength is there.
You do realize everyone who sees this board can also see that video, right?
I was right about Gabriel the night he was over drafted, and I remain right about him now. You are just blinded by your agenda. Gabriel is not an NFL caliber QB. If you have a good line and good WRs he possibly can be a backup and has the mind that great QBs have. He will someday be a great QB coach he is just not QB. Sanders has the raw talent but needs to learn. Can he learn? We will see. If he can be an NFL QB because he has the physical skill set that Gabriel does not have.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
Video evidence is not an agenda. Everyone else can watch it and see for themselves. It seems your agenda is all in on Sanders. Yet the entire NFL let him sit on the board the entire time. It seems every NFL team in the league disagrees with you.
You go ahead and think you know more than every NFL GM including ours. Whatever it takes to make you feel better. I'll go with every GM in the NFL and the video evidence. Or as you call that, an agenda.
Your argument seems to be that he had the protection to run long pass plays at Oregon but he doesn't have that here. On that we agree.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Video evidence is not an agenda. Everyone else can watch it and see for themselves. It seems you agenda is all in on Sanders. Yet the entire NFL let him sit on the board the entire time. It seems every NFL team in the league disagrees with you.
I am not a Sanders fan one way or the other. He is at least the size of most of the NFL QBs. I think the Browns should have went all in on Pickett in 2025 with Flacco as his insurance policy and then drafted Will Howard as the developmental QB. I hate that the Steelers drafted him and he will end up haunting the Browns like so many Ohio players that went to the Steelers in the past.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
How many Buckeye QB's over the last 20 years have gone on to successful NFL careers again? I can only really think of one and he's looking pretty shaky this year himself. You're really hung up on this "his size" thing aren't you? OSU has produced some great WR's. Some great CB's. Some great DL and LB'ers. QB's? Not so much.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
A good arm is a good arm whether in college or the pros. DG has a good enough arm for the NFL. If h had a solid O-Line and better receivers I'm sure he would be showing us. A small college QB could have an NFL arm but never make the pros.
If the Browns get a bridge quarterback on a third-round rookie salary, isn't that a bonus?
If Gabriel proves to be a journeyman quarterback and you trade later for an early-round pick, is that not a double bonus?
So, Gabriel is a little short and is not the greatest athlete. It may take a season or two before he pays dividends. He is receiving a third-round salary. What's the issue?
If Sanders is the better athlete but lacks the mental aspect of the game, again, what's the issue? The percentages for a later-round pick at any position are low.
The low-risk, high-reward quarterbacks provide the obvious play.
Lastly, if Cleveland can establish a plan that turns project quarterbacks into productive players, isn't that a win?
Teams today don't want to develop; they want instant results. In my opinion, they are passing up value. Developing a plan for late-round draft picks increases your odds for success. It's how good teams maintain success for multiple years.
