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That would be the ideal scenario. Problem is, we will get, at most, a 7-game audition out of SS. If we continues to show improvement however, it’ll make things more complicated.

Or perhaps easier. I don’t follow college ball so I don’t know which QBs are doing what in college, how they might shake out. I do know we have other holes to fix, especially OL.

Plenty of time and things to be determined between now and next April.

Btw, if there’s one spot on D where’s we’d draft fairly high, it might be corner. Just a thought.

Sorry I missed this Bro.


THe Haslems grubby hands as you call them lol are not ALL over Berry and Kevin. Has he made it clear he doesn't think the Franchise will be successful unless/until we get a Franchise QB, (YES) which I'm sure 90 percent of fans agree with If you never noticed you don't see me bragging up or bashing our owners. They are nothing like Snyder, but they do like to know what's going on with THEIR team. Wouldn't you if you had that much money invested?

You keep saying he was projected a 5th round pick. Now it's 5th - 6th (At this rate at the end of the season he will have been an arena league castoff). This isn't true, unless you use a small section of the draft profiles. On a majority he was round 3-4, a few showed 5, I don't recall ant showing round 6 but that was 6-8 moneths ago. I don't think he is NFL starter material, but I don't understand why you insist on making his pre-draft ranking worse. So, I guess us drafting SS in the fifth round when he was projected by many to us at pick #2, more than makes up for it?

Mendoza and Moore have been better than advertised but the rest of the QB's have not lived up to the hype. We don't even know for sure what QB's will be coming out or if we will be picking high enough to get one of them. It would be nice if Shedeur could be our guy going forward but it's wishful thinking and much too early to tell at this point. If by some chance Shedeur could be our guy then we could use our first 3-4 picks on O-Line and WR. Between that and FA we could conceivably solve our need positions for next season. Again, wishful thinking but possible.

I was initially dreading drafting him with our first couple picks.... obviously that didn't happen and I was ecstatic we picked him up where we did. I was negative on starting him this year because it didn't seem like he'd made much progress on his bad habits... which is going to be a problem. That said, it's not hard to see how going downfield and some other things he brings can be a small lift to the offense. I'm encouraged how he handled his first game and happy we are well past the stretch of tough defenses we have to face. If he's the real deal like he wants to be, he's going to have to excel against tougher defenses, but I don't think doing that now with our supporting cast makes for a good eval.

Up next is the 9'ers, who have been decimated by injuries. Then the Titans and Bears who, while better, are still in the bottom half in pass defense ranking. The Bills, however, currently have the #1 pass defense. That could get ugly. Then we finish with the Steelers, who have an abysmal ranking but I sorta question that. We know they will bring pressure which will be tough for Sanders.

Here is what I was looking at.
https://www.foxsports.com/articles/nfl/2025-nfl-defense-rankings-team-pass-and-rush-stats

Oober let's face it, we probably still won't know for sure about SS after the season. Will we have a better idea yes but not for sure. If when we draft we see a QB we like we should take him then let the chips fall where they may the rest of the way. Too many questions at this point about who will come out where we will draft etc. Time will answer these issues.

I agree with your thought process. I think it comes down to this during the draft. At the end of the season what do the Browns think about Sanders/Gabriel/Watson for 2026 vs who is available when they select with their first pick in the draft. If Mendoza, Moore, or Simpson is on the board if they are not sure one of the 3 in the QB room is the answer then they must select a QB. If they are not sure if one of the 3 is the answer they have to decide if who is available is the answer. If none are available because they win 2 to 3 more games this season, then they have to decide if one of the QB's are worth trading up for. If the top 3 is gone I could see them making a similar trade to secure 2 1sts in 2027 just in case and improving the OLine and WR's and moving forward 1 more year with the QB room they have and if that does not pan out with added talent then trading the farm in 2027 for Manning, Sayin, Riola, or whoever else emerges.

I don't mean to pick nits here but 11-20 doesn't exactly scream accuracy. It's his first start and I think all things considered he did well but let's not blow it out of proportion.

I simply based my response on your comment about his accuracy. Hopefully we will see that with him wearing a Browns uniform. That's not what we saw last Sunday but it was just his first start.

So if a QB gets no pressure he is more accurate? Good to know.

I agree, but going into next year with a rookie QB with showing promise would be lightyears ahead of where we were this year. If this season is teaching us anything, it's that this offense is more than 1 offseason away from being back up to snuff (and that's if Berry can knock it out of the park again).

I would NOT be disappointed if the value this upcoming QB class brings doesn't quite line up with our draft slot. IMO, coming out of this draft without legitimately attempting to address a tackle spot is a fireable offense.

I agree that time will tell. As I'm sure it is with you, I hope for the best and will be looking for improvement.