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It simply has to do with the fact that DA is not signed yet for the 08 season or beyond. Pretty hard to put your money on that horse...for the simple fact come 3/1 he aint a Brown. That sort of puts a damper on the whole statement doesn't it.
One question if you wish to answer. What makes you think DA will sign our offer we will make?
LOL.........Nothing. I haven't made a firm stand one way or the other. I was simply saying that it isn't a slam dunk that DA is going to be gone and the team handed over to BQ, like so many people are claiming.
Believe me, if there was one snippet in one tiny article that mentioned BQ starting, the number of responses would be mind-boggling.
I have no idea how this is going to play out. The Browns may get rid of DA. I am not saying they won't. All I'm saying is that it isn't a guarantee that BQ is the starter next year. I seriously doubt anyone on this board knows the answer to that question. Yet, too many people were acting like it was a foregone conclusion.
I have a theory on what I would do. That is......I would sign DA and go to TC w/both QBs. He would go in as the starter, but all jobs on my team are open to competition. If BQ beats him out, then that is a good thing. If DA w/stands BQs challenge, that is a good thing. I want the most productive QB to play...not the fan favorite.
Now, I am not going to state that is what the Browns are going to do. Again, I have no idea what they are thinking. Of course, neither do all of you who were telling us that DA is as good as gone and it's BQ's team.
It's not a validation of victory..........it's a validation of reason and fair play.
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Again, I have no idea what they are thinking. Of course, neither do all of you who were telling us that DA is as good as gone and it's BQ's team.
Of course.
There's only two types of people that predict the future.
Those that don't know....and those that don't know they don't know.
I've been saying that DA won't be on the team after April '08.
Do I know for a fact? No, of course not. If I knew that I'd also know all the lottery numbers and would'n't be working for a living.
I say it because of all the factors involved (which I won't rehash) and I feel it's the logical outcome. Am I positive? No. Because only a fool is positive. "Are you sure?" Yes. I'm positive.
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Apparently Channel 19 News in Cleveland is reporting Anderson's Agent wants a deal between Schaub and Romo...Closer to Romo...And closer to SIX YEARS..This is confirmed in an OBR article...
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Schaub signed a six-year, $48 million deal that included $7 million in guaranteed money and a $10 million option bonus payable in 2010.
Romo inked a six-year, $67.5 million contract that included a whopping $31 million in guarantees.
NO WAY can we sign this dude to that type of deal without GIVING him the #1 Spot...PERMANENTLY...U don't ink those bucks to someone who may end up a #2 QB...NO WAY IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!
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Can't give him that much, it'd be crazy. I think the tender thing is what we'll do.
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But those are the numbers a starting qb will get.
Maybe someone will know Quinns numbers.....I think that will be a starting point in any talks we have with DA'a agent. Whatever he signs with the Browns, it is going to have to be for more than that.
It has been stated DA is the starter. You don't make statements like that, then turn around and offer him less money than what you pay your back-up.
Just looking at the above numbers, the Schaub numbers seem realistic.
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Not quite the same situation though - DA isn't as clearcut as Romo & Schaub.
Which is one of the reasons we'll tender, IMO.
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Not quite the same situation though - DA isn't as clearcut as Romo & Schaub.
What do you mean by 'clearcut' lamp? Just curious.
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Not quite the same situation though - DA isn't as clearcut as Romo & Schaub.
Which is one of the reasons we'll tender, IMO.
I don't know about the clearcut comment, but I do think there is a good chance it goes that route.
I see it as 3 distinct possibilities.
1. We want DA and want him in a longer deal.
2. We want him in a longer deal because it allows us to steer where he might go via a trade.
3. We are just talking up the desire to keep him and the starting qb comment to raise the demand, and then allow him to get his deal from another team and we take a 1st and 3rd. With all of the talk out of Berea, it wouldn't make sense to tender him lower then a 1st and 3rd.
In the end, all 3 possibilities carry about the same odds of happening....which is probably why the debates on the board are so vigorous. Most people don't spend much time arguing a point they know won't happen, nor do people give a argument of little time and thought if they aren't so sure their position is slam dunk correct.
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Not quite the same situation though - DA isn't as clearcut as Romo & Schaub.
What do you mean by 'clearcut' lamp? Just curious.
Romo and Schaub are considered the QBs of the future for their respective teams. DA isn't - the jury's far from being in on that one.
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Apparently Channel 19 News in Cleveland is reporting Anderson's Agent wants a deal between Schaub and Romo...Closer to Romo...And closer to SIX YEARS..This is confirmed in an OBR article...
It won't happen...not a chance...six years in DA's mind is 2-3 years in Phil's mind...
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The number one rule in contract negotiations is shoot high and hope for the best. Sounds like DA and agent are doing that.  He will not get those numbers from the browns, and i would be shocked if he could get those from anyone else. 
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When they cited the Schaub contract as a basement and the Romo contract as a ceiling, I don't necessarily think they meant the duration of the contract. I thought it was more to direct the salary per year and guaranteed money figures of the contract.
In other words, the agent wants somewhere between 8 and 11 mill per year, with around 3 or 4 per year guaranteed.
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after reading that... I'm comfortable trading DA
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Apparently Channel 19 News in Cleveland is reporting Anderson's Agent wants a deal between Schaub and Romo...Closer to Romo...And closer to SIX YEARS..This is confirmed in an OBR article...
Now correct me if I'm wrong.............isn't this the SAME Channel 19 that already pissed off the Lerner family and got canned over their tabloid reporting?
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If there is any fact to that report (remember, this is Channel 19 we're talking about here... they're a bunch of freaking tabloid retards over there), then I would be freaking AMAZED if serious negotiations actually take place between us and him.
IF this is true, I think it is tantamount to his agent saying "we want to see what we can get on the "open" market". I think that in that case, we high-tender and then sit back and wait. Either the market will come to him, or his price will come to us. We're in a win-win situation.
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I think you are probably correct.
In these deals, a number has to be put out.....if DAs agent did put one out there, you don't throw out low numbers....and it isn't unreasonable to throw those as a benchmark.....that doesn't mean that is where they will end up...throw out your bogus number so the team starts with their bogus number, then you go from there.
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Apparently Channel 19 News in Cleveland is reporting Anderson's Agent wants a deal between Schaub and Romo...Closer to Romo...And closer to SIX YEARS..This is confirmed in an OBR article...
Deals...
Schaub signed a six-year, $48 million deal that included $7 million in guaranteed money and a $10 million option bonus payable in 2010.
Romo inked a six-year, $67.5 million contract that included a whopping $31 million in guarantees.
NO WAY can we sign this dude to that type of deal without GIVING him the #1 Spot...PERMANENTLY...U don't ink those bucks to someone who may end up a #2 QB...NO WAY IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!
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Now you must look at the market. Shaub got 48 mil with much less starting experience or wins than DA. The salary cap goes up every year, so we're looking at 50 mil + for DA IF we want to sign him "before he becomes a RFA".
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Not quite the same situation though - DA isn't as clearcut as Romo & Schaub.
Which is one of the reasons we'll tender, IMO.
You're right. It's far CLOSER to the Romo situation.
Shaub had not even played a full season. And much like Romo LAST season (and this season as well honestly) his production tailed off towards the end of the season.
Shaub only had about a half of a season as a starter and got 48 mil on the open market.
This is going to get interesting.
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You're right. It's far CLOSER to the Romo situation.
Exactly. Jones was hesitant to sign Romo long term in the beginning of this season. Romo has proven more to me than DA has, but only because he has done it over two seasons. I would love to sign DA up to a long term deal before we have to tender him but I doubt that will happen. I am curious to see how much interest there is in DA.
Some on here think we can get a huge windfall from tendering him, while others don't think we can really get much. Me, I don't really have a clue. 
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Well this is no surprise here...
It's pretty much obvious that negotiations will fall through. We can't give that kind of money to only a semi-proven QB (in my mind). We have more answers about him than we do Quinn, but we STILL have just as many, if not more questions than answers about him.
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Some on here think we can get a huge windfall from tendering him, while others don't think we can really get much. Me, I don't really have a clue.
I really don't have a clue either.
But I believe, from strictly a business standpoint, we might get a lot. Not that I believe DA is "the greatest thing since sliced bread" mind you, but there is a great need for QB's, and IMO, only one or two worthy of being a first round draft choice.
So the demand is high and the supply is down.
IMO- If you see Vinny suiting up? There's a MAJOR market for QB's.
So IMO, often times supply and demand set the price moreso than anything. If their were a bumper crop of QB's in this draft, I doubt we would get NEAR what we "may" get for him this year...............
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And even with the draft, taking a QB doesn't mean it will pan out like you hoped. It's like a 50-50 crap shoot. If you're going to burn a first round pick on a QB, do you want a young unproved one? Or a young one with some experience and some success?
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It's pretty much obvious that negotiations will fall through. We can't give that kind of money to only a semi-proven QB (in my mind). We have more answers about him than we do Quinn, but we STILL have just as many, if not more questions than answers about him.
I think that Phil has to "pick a horse and run with it".
I mean, if we tender him to a "one year deal", after next season, we get NOTHING out of the deal. No compensation.
So IMO, you either sign him long term and trade Quinn off, or you take the best offer you can get for DA. Because here's the catch 22...............
UNLESS the bulk of DA's money is "incentive based", you run quite a gamble. Because IF Quinn gets the start, not only will you have Quinn reaching his bonuses and garuntees, you'll have DA's huge salary on top of that against your cap every year!
That would be an INSANE amount of your cap space going to the QB position every year! So unless Phil plans to use DA as "the horse he's going to run with" and keep Quinn as a perrenial backup, I think the risk outweighs the reward.
JMHO
BTW- This is EXACTLY why most great teams don't have "two, REALLY GOOD QB's". Because there's only so much cap space with which to build a team and keep it in tact.
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Great find! Ah, so the water is getting even muddier.........
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interesting.... so his suspension isn't up until roughly around Draft time then; well past Free Agency and such.
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Good points...  My only disagreement or concern with what you wrote is I don't believe the Browns have two really good PROVEN QB's... I don't believe any of us here truly know what the Browns have... I'm not sure the Browns do either... I very easily could be wrong yet again though... That the Browns have 2 really good ones remains to be seen... We have a 3rd year guy who played way over his head according to many/most in the know, DA had and outstansding season. His sophmore starting jinx season is up next...? And we have BQ. A unproven prototypical prospect with all the intelligence, PO, size, skill set, intangebles and leadeship capabilities anyone could ask for..., It will be very interesting... We shall see...
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It's pretty much obvious that negotiations will fall through. We can't give that kind of money to only a semi-proven QB (in my mind). We have more answers about him than we do Quinn, but we STILL have just as many, if not more questions than answers about him.
I think that Phil has to "pick a horse and run with it".
I mean, if we tender him to a "one year deal", after next season, we get NOTHING out of the deal. No compensation.
So IMO, you either sign him long term and trade Quinn off, or you take the best offer you can get for DA. Because here's the catch 22...............
UNLESS the bulk of DA's money is "incentive based", you run quite a gamble. Because IF Quinn gets the start, not only will you have Quinn reaching his bonuses and garuntees, you'll have DA's huge salary on top of that against your cap every year!
That would be an INSANE amount of your cap space going to the QB position every year! So unless Phil plans to use DA as "the horse he's going to run with" and keep Quinn as a perrenial backup, I think the risk outweighs the reward.
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BTW- This is EXACTLY why most great teams don't have "two, REALLY GOOD QB's". Because there's only so much cap space with which to build a team and keep it in tact.
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Who says we can't offer DA a long-term deal next season?
IMO it makes sense from a financial and football standpoint to see if DA truly is the man or not.
Take the Tommy Maddox situation, after the '02 season Maddox wanted a new deal but the Steelers said "Prove you're not just a fluke and we'll give you the new deal."
After the '03 season, the Steelers drafted Roethlisberger. The main differences being Maddox was much older than DA and we already have our 1st round QB waiting in the wings and we won't have to draft him.
Basically, I see the tender as "We have this available to us, we can use it for further evaluation or compensation...let's be safe and see if DA truly is the guy. Then next offseason if he is, we'll offer him starter money."
It may cost us more long-term if DA truly is the guy, but it's better than paying someone too soon only to have him stumble once he's paid.
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just clicking banger, although your point is one I'll more or less echo.
Our QB situation is a gamble. Its a matter of who we want to bet on.
I figure if we can have DA for another year at manageable cost, why not? Well yes, I do know why not (in theory anyways). Because by NOT signing him long term now we risk:
1. Someone putting up the tender and signing him away from us.
2. DA playing next year lights out, making his potential contract even bigger.
OK, fair enough. However, here's how I figure these two scenarios..
1. If someone wants to shell out a first and a third for DA, hell, even just a first for DA, I have a hard time saying no. We still have alot of holes on these team that need to be filled and moving back into the first helps us do this.
2. If DA doesn;t get signed away as an RFA, comes back, keeps the starting job in camp and plays lights out the first half of the year, we buck up the cash and sign him, assured that we've given extra time to ensure he's not a one-year wonder and that we have seen growth from the previous year (ie. development of "touch" on short passes, not throwing behind/ahead of receivers etc).
Really, if Schaub numbers are already being shopped around, why not wait the extra time and take the added financial hit. I figure once you're into the 50 mil contract range, having a 55 mil contract or a 60 mil contract is pretty much academic. BQ is too expensive to stick around as a back up and we cart him off for a draft pick.
Now then, on the flip side of things, what do we risk by signing DA to a longer term deal in the offseason:
1. DA turns out to be a one season wonder and descends back to mediocrity.
2. DA stays the exact same QB, with a hell of a long ball but questionable short game. Unfortunately for DA, the NFL adjusts to one-trick ponies.
So how do we deal with these scenarios? Well, they ain't good.
1. DA chokes and the BQ era begins. No problem....except for the massive contract we now have for our backup QB.
2. DA stays DA. Not the worst thing in the world... we continue to win our fair share of games but have BQ still riding pine and a QB controversy continues on whether to trade DA or BQ as we can;t have both on the roster with those salaries.
In my mind, the answer is somewhat clear. Minimize our risk the best we can. Might end up costing a couple of million more per season, but eliminates the large scale risk of paying out a big contract to the 2008 version of Scott Mitchell.
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"I have a theory on what I would do. That is......I would sign DA and go to TC w/both QBs. He would go in as the starter, but all jobs on my team are open to competition. If BQ beats him out, then that is a good thing. If DA w/stands BQs challenge, that is a good thing. I want the most productive QB to play...not the fan favorite."
Your theory is basically what I feel would be the prudent thing to do...accept for the beginning...Signing.
If DA was signed already and had the enterprising season he did that is exactly how I would envision things to turn out.
But the fact of the matter and what I was probably trying to stress is the reality that DA isn't signed. This is his Windfall Contract just like I thought in draft trade we had a Windfall well with DA this was his perfect situation.
Just the way he spoke after the season - seemed like he was saying goodbye and didn't feel that he would be here in 08.
But also Savage has made it clear that he's not getting rid of BQ - and all mention of DA starting has been with a "One more Year" intention. I no I'm not dealing with a solid foundation but just trying to get into the minds of the people involved.
If signed - Ideally Savage would want to sign him to a 2-3 year contract cause I think he still feels that BQ is the Franchise QB of the future.
I also know and understand...this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for DA he's going to get anything and everything possible. The likelihood of these two coming to an agreement I think are slim to none. So all posturing about starter this and starter that are meaningless until he actually signs a contract.
I have said more than once before...What I do know - Is that I don't Know!
Just doing my Sherlock Holmes thing on the subject and trying to solve the puzzle.
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Just throwing this out there...
Would DA's agent actually have the nerve to hold out DA if he's tendered? $2.5 million is MUCH less than he'd receive on the open market, IMO. (But of course, he's not truly on the open market).
I don't see it happening because if it did, Quinn would get ALL the OTA reps and it would just build up Quinn. IMO we have ALL the leverage here.
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"Would DA's agent actually have the nerve to hold out DA if he's tendered?"
Not even a consideration. Worst case scenario is he would sign the tender and play for One Year and then next - after having another season with probably on of the most complete offensive OL, weapon, running game situation. Go hit the UFA market of 09...sitting out of football for a year would be suicide for him and lower his future 09 contract not raise it. Even if he sits next season under BQ he still wins. BQ will be great or struggle...if he struggles DA will come in and probably do well and bolster his FAgent position. If BQ is great - well he will be the next best thing to apple pie in the 09 market and get a similar contract as did Schaub. Sitting out...would be silly.
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Would DA's agent actually have the nerve to hold out DA if he's tendered? $2.5 million is MUCH less than he'd receive on the open market, IMO. (But of course, he's not truly on the open market).
Actually, it is an open market in one sense.. If a team,, let's use the Ravens for instance, were to offer DA $5 million a year for 4 years, we have the right to match, but if we don't, we get a 1st and 3rd from the Ravens.
As for what DA is worth,, I think that depends on the situation. I'd say that DA is worth more to a team that has NO real QB at all. Like for instance the Ravens.. Maybe Troy Smith is the man, and maybe not. If the Ravens aren't sure either, then DA becomes important. For that matter, so does every other UFA or RFA QB out there.
We on the other hand have Brady Quinn.. To us, DA is worth something, but certainly not as much as he would be to someone else.. I'm talking STRICKLY Money here.. not skill or ability. JUST MONEY.
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Good points... My only disagreement or concern with what you wrote is I don't believe the Browns have two really good PROVEN QB's... I don't believe any of us here truly know what the Browns have... I'm not sure the Browns do either... I very easily could be wrong yet again though...
I must say I stand corrected.
Let me rephrase........................
Pay out the "cap space" and draft investment at the QB position that it would take to keep or acquire "two really good QB's".
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Who says we can't offer DA a long-term deal next season?
Excuse me? Why would DA and or his agent let it get to that point? We only have two choices at this juncture. Tender him a one year UFA contract, or sign him long term.
Now, if we tender him for one year, I find it HIGHLY unlikely that there won't be at least a few teams that come calling. What will they offer us? I have no idea.
But let's say for the sake of arguement, that nobody that offers DA a long term contract, is willing to pony up a "true first and third". And we turn the offer down.
We have DA for one year with NO compensation if he walks after next year. So you are rolling the dice here BIG TIME IMO.
Look at the scenarios.....................
1. Quinn wins the job in training camp and is our starter. The end result? DA walks after next season and we end up with nothing.
2. DA is our starter and his accuracy, mechanics and footwork get no better. So we no longer see him "as the future" and turn to Quinn. Once again, the end result? DA walks away and we get nothing.
3. DA works out well as our starter, but he wants more than we're willing to pay to keep him and we can't work out a long term contract with DA. Once again the end result is, DA walks and we recieve NO compensation.
4. DA works out well as our starter and we come to a long term deal with DA and we all live happily ever after!
That's a 25% chance of a successfull ending. Like those odds?
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IMO it makes sense from a financial and football standpoint to see if DA truly is the man or not.
So right now, we may get a stud D player and high second round pick for DA that can help greatly to build our D, but you are willing to risk that in order to take such a huge gamble "to see IF" he is "the man"?
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Take the Tommy Maddox situation, after the '02 season Maddox wanted a new deal but the Steelers said "Prove you're not just a fluke and we'll give you the new deal."
After the '03 season, the Steelers drafted Roethlisberger. The main differences being Maddox was much older than DA and we already have our 1st round QB waiting in the wings and we won't have to draft him.
So in OTHER words, you want us to "do it backwards"? See they tested their QB BEFORE they drafted Ben. But WE "already drafted" our 1st round QB. So you believe doing the "exact opposite" of what the Steelers did is somehow a reasonable comparison?
You see, they made their minds up "before drafting a QB". I think Phil did too.
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Basically, I see the tender as "We have this available to us, we can use it for further evaluation or compensation...let's be safe and see if DA truly is the guy. Then next offseason if he is, we'll offer him starter money."
What if we tender him and somebody ponys up the big bucks to him and draft picks? What if somebody offers us a D stud and high second rounder? You toss that away to "test the waters" with DA?
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It may cost us more long-term if DA truly is the guy, but it's better than paying someone too soon only to have him stumble once he's paid.
Problem being, we don't "hold all of the cards" here. If we tender him, he may not be here this coming season. He may be wearing a Falcon, or Dolphin or even Ravens jersey next year. Of course unless you're sold enough on him NOW to match any "big bucks offer" that comes his way AND turn down the compensation?
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"Actually, it is an open market in one sense.. If a team,, let's use the Ravens for instance, were to offer DA $5 million a year for 4 years, we have the right to match, but if we don't, we get a 1st and 3rd from the Ravens." Too bad D.A has to actually sign an offer sheet uh ? We could get Phil's buddy OZ to make that offer, we match and they keep their picks. 
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I suppose if you're willing to gamble future draft picks because of "collusion", go right ahead.
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why is everyone so caught up on the money?
like you said we have 2 choices....tender him or sign him to a long term contract....the cash is the least of it cause we have tons of space...
if we let other teams offer contracts thru the tender then he's probably gonna walk next year and we lose the chance of getting anything...
signing him to a long term contract is just risking a bunch of lerners cash to insure we don't let a good qb slip away....
these owners money away all the time with coaches....why is it such a big deal to just sign da and then trade him if we decide thats the best thing to do later...we save by quinn not meeting incetives and we get to chose between 2 qb's for the best one....
and on top of that it makes da very tradable down the road because we take the majority of the cap hit...
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This is why I've been saying to toss a tender on DA and see what happens. This is why I've been saying since mid-season that DA isn't going to be a Brown next year.
Savage is talking about keeping DA for 2-3 years... but how exactly is that going to happen? DA and his agent aren't going to want to do it - they know they can get big money for him NOW and don't want to put it to risk.
Knowing that we're not going to sign DA for 6 years and Romo money, there's only two ways Anderson is a Brown next year (assuming Savage won't settle for anything below a 1st and 3rd):
1) Someone signs DA, doesn't put a poison pill in the contract, and we match a 6-year contract for Romo money.
2) Anderson and his agent can't find anyone willing to pay a 1st and 3rd to sign him.
The first won't happen. We're not stupid enough to pay DA that much money while turning down a 1st and 3rd rounder. Even if we are, a poison pill could make it impossible.
The second is the only legitimate scenario, but with Ryan, Brohm and Woodson as this draft's QBs, why wouldn't one team at least make an offer?
Either way, the talk of signing Anderson to an extension has been a bunch of bologna; posturing from both sides. If Savage insists on getting his way, DA isn't going to do it. If DA insists on getting his way, Savage isn't going to do it. It's all going to come down to RFA and who puts in a bid for DA.
Honestly - I'm praying someone makes an offer so we can scoop up those draft picks and get this giant controversy headache past us.
We're... we're good?
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