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They have to take a QB in Rd 1 next year IMO. I just don't know how a pro QB talent evaluator looks at either of them at this point and is like "...maaaaybe". They're both a long way off. And as for Sanders, I don't think he'll ever get there. He doesn't have the head set. I suspect he'll have some great moments over the next several games. But I think he'll look like he did against the 49ers more than not. He's a D+ to C+ QB. Every 3rd game or so he'll look like an A-. But he won't elevate his teammates. And I like Gabriel but I think his ceiling is apparent.

We unfortunately have to make decisive decisions pretty quickly right now. I suspect that we'll just have to go with the limited evidence in front of us at year's end and I think it'll tell us to go get another guy and make sure he's a good one.

I'm actually way more interested in college games this weekend for this very reason. I think our guy is playing out there somewhere this saturday.

This is referring to Dante Moore, who apparently was born in East Cleveland and grew up in Elyria.

I did not know this.

He's quite young but cool under pressure.

Would be thrilled to have the Browns draft him barring any last minute Phil Knight Brinks trucks.

I just hope we don't reach for a QB. After Mendoza there really isn't anyone that stands out. This QB class was predicted to be good and deep but it's kind of shaping up to be like last year. I know we need a QB badly the contending teams all have a very good one so that tells the story. I'm torn between sticking it out with the 3 guys we have now for next season and drafting for our OL and WR groups or drafting a QB high with our 1st #1. Unless we get the #1 pick Mendoza will most certainly be gone. I would hate to reach for a guy we really aren't excited about. Maybe we could get one in the 2nd round that was once predicted to be a solid 1st rounder but had an off year. Lots of scenarios to contemplate. Maybe we can find our Jaxson Dart in April.

Most people didn't see Mahomes as being Mahomes until he became Mahomes. Mitchell Trubisky was drafted as the top QB prospect at #2. Mahomes wasn't drafted until #12 and watson at #14.

It too was considered a weak QB class and there were holes and question marks in all of those QB's drafted.

I have no idea whether there is a Mahomes type QB in this draft. I have no idea if it will end up being Mendoza if there is one. But in reality I don't think anyone else does either until it all plays out.

We'll see if the NFL does. Every NFL team passed on Sanders four times and some of them five times. Just something for you to consider. I'm willing to wager that none of these three QB's will be left on the draft board going into round five in the draft. I'll bet none of the three are left on the board going into round 4. Which would mean I'm willing to wager that the NFL sees them as being better prospects than they did Sanders.

I don't get all of this Sanders love based on one good game and three stinkers. Maybe it's that Browns fans are so desperate for a QB that just a flash in the pan in one game is enough to make them go crazy for a QB. I have no idea.

Maybe Mateer is a guy we might draft in the 2nd or 3rd round if we like him.

I believe that Shedeur was a late first early second round prospect. That is where most analyst had him listed.

He is just under 6'2 which was a knock because most franchise QBs are 6'2 or taller.

He was seen as not being elite athletically and not having a strong arm. Add to that his dad's and his words leading up to the draft coupled with some poor interviews and he became untouchable. I know I did not want the Browns to draft him.

Going all the way back to the spring rookie mini camps and Zach Jackson said right away his arm looked much better than what analysts projected. Jackson who 1 year earlier during the Browns training camp kept saying Watson is not looking good in practice said right away that Sanders arm and the way the ball comes off looks much stronger than Gabriel's. Then during training camp, he said Flacco looked far and away the most impressive throwing the ball and Sander's arm looked to him as the next best arm in camp.

What has he shown us in 4 games? He is not an elite athlete, but he is more athletic than expected. His arm is not elite but much better than expected. He likes to push the ball down the field and has shown very good accuracy and has shown good signs of being coachable. He has improved his stepping up in the pocket and throwing balls away. He has shown the ability to beat man to man defense with his arm and accuracy. His weaknesses is vs zone. Not taking what the defense is given him and holding the ball too long waiting on a big play to develop. He also does not read zone blitz schemes well with 3 of his int's coming with defenders falling back in coverage to make the pick.

He is playing like a late 1st early 2nd round pick.

I agree with this as well as everything before it in your post. I think the biggest "improvement" from pre-draft is his coachability. You can see where he's trying to correct his weaknesses.

I'd actually be fine with us taking a similar approach to QB as last year. Hold off and either target a guy later on and/or watch for someone to fall and go for a value pick.

Most likely if Shedeur had a top 5 O-Line and better WR's especially a deep threat guy he would be showing us more. It's early but it's starting to look like the "27 QB class might be better than the "26 group. Again, it's early and we will have to see.

I agree with that assessment. I think Manning, Sayin, and Riola will be a great class.

I had those exact QB’s in mind. Sellers from South Carolina too and we still don’t know about Moore yet.

Analyists are often wrong. Far more often than NFL FO's are, which are wrong a lot too. If they weren't they would have a job in the NFL. That's what happened or would you like to see the track record of Mel Kiper?

If Sanders were an actual first or even second round prospect by NFL standards he would have been a first or second round draft pick. No NFL team is going to pass up a potential franchise QB if they believe he can be a franchise QB. If anything, as we can see by every player ranking system across the country, QB's are over drafted because of the need and importance of their position leaving far more talented football players on the board.

Most of time the answer to a question is the simplest, most logical explanation and isn't any more complicated than that.

You have to ask yourself, are NFL FO's a better judge of talent and worth in the draft or are self appointed, supposed experts who can't get a job in an NFL FO a better judge of that talent? That's how simple this is.

Those FO's get fired often for wrong choices so I will take the experts who have no interest in being a GM. Kurt Warner, Shaun King, Mel Kiper, Zac Jackson, Quincy Carrier, etc.... Again, I did not want Sanders in the 1st or 2nd round last year. Why? I did not want the Browns to deal with yet another player that had baggage. I think the experts were fairly spot on his strengths and weaknesses except he is more athletic, and his arm is stronger than they gave him credit for. You had to watch the Tennessee game. Who would you have rather had on your team as QB Cam Ward or Sanders? Since Sanders has started as QB the explosive plays started happening again in Cleveland. Besides 1 long Judkins run the last explosive plays were with Winston at QB. That does not make him a franchise QB, but it shows the experts were correct in their evaluations of him. With that said is Cam Ward a franchise QB. Is Jaxson Dart? I think the jury is out on all of them.

Yet when all of those NFL FOs get fired, none of these guys ever get hired. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why? I can think of only one time one of them was hired. Mike Mayock by the Oakland Raiders. He was fired after multiple draft misses in trying to rebuild the team given a huge amount of draft capital.

You isolated a single game to try and boost Sanders above Campbell. Try looking at their body of their work and the strength of schedule to see just how absurd that is. He has had as many int's as he has had what you call "explosive plays". I think you're using that term quite loosely. Nothing you have shown indicates those "supposed experts were right".

It's certainly true that the jury is still out on these QB's. But Tom Bray and Brock Purty are each once in a generation type rare late round finds. If you're saying it isn't "impossible" to catch lightening in a bottle you are right. To suggest the odds of that happening being more than 1 in 1000 you would be wrong.

I'll take the word of the actual experts. Those in the NFL instead of the type of people who tell me what they would do if they had to the skill set to actually land such a job. The odds are overwhelmingly in my favor. But hey, you do you.

The fact you even believe that is almost mind numbing. Then why is it that none of these self appointed experts never land a job in the NFL? Think man, think.

Once again, Drew Brees was drafted as the last pick of the first round. Not in the fifth round.

Then please tell me why none of your "experts" ever get a shot at being an NFL GM? Surely if they were good or "just as good" they would be getting those jobs. Or at least be getting interviewed for those jobs. Yet they aren't.

Do you have any logical explanation for that other than all 32 NFL team owners have deemed they are not worthy of such a position? I'm really interested in why you think that is. Don't worry, I'll wait.

An owner and high ranking franchise officials hire a new GM. I’m sure they do their due diligence in the hiring but let’s face it they really don’t know how the hire will turn out. Roll the dice it’s a crap shoot.

And Mayock got fired because he couldn't draft worth a crap. I already mentioned Mayock in a previous post.

So you don't understand the difference between playing QB or coaching a QB than having the ability to project how a QB would transition from college to the NFL? Maybe that's why QB's play QB, coaches coach QB's and NFL GM's draft QB's. The skill set required for each job is not the same. The best former QB's that have moved onto coaching were actually as a general rule QB's who weren't great at the position. They had the mind for it but not a special skill set. Their mind is why they are good coaches not some great ability at the QB position. The only former great QB I know to ever be a success as an NFL GM is John Elway. That's one QB out of every great QB to ever play the game. That's what's known as the exception to the rule rather than the rule itself.

The topic was a late round QB's being drafted where they were drafted. It was stated that Sanders was a "first or second round QB prospect". I said if he were actually a first or second round QB prospect he would have been drafted in the first or second round.

Now you're bringing up both Brees and Lamar Jackson who were both drafted at the end of the first round. You do realize you are only helping to reinforce the point I was making don't you? They were worthy of a first or early second round draft selection. An NFL team considered them worthy of a high investment. That's why they were drafted there and not in the fifth round. Apple and oranges my friend.

And they do a lot of homework before making the hire. While you are 100% correct that without prior experience as an NFL GM they have no idea of how they will do, out of all that research, analytics and due diligence deciding who to hire they aren't hiring these "self appointed media experts".