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Probably the same roll DW has played over the past two seasons. None. The only reason he is here is because it would eat even more cap space if they released him. That's a financial move not a QB decision. I thought everyone was aware of that. Obviously not.

The only "QB battle" there will be is SS and the draft pick. SS in and of himself is a media magnet and drafting a QB won't change that. That was set is stone before the Browns ever drafted him. Watson made that much or more this season. How did he play into the QB decisions for the Browns again? It will be no different next season.

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He's healthy now and he is not playing. Let me guess. Sanders beat him out for the starting spot?

Are you also saying that the main reason they cut both Pickett and Flacco wasn't to see what they had in the two rookies in order to help determine if they needed to draft a QB in this upcoming draft? That they didn't view getting a good look at both of them the overriding factor in helping make that decision? Come on man.

If DW was considered in any way a part of their future plans, why else would they have done that?

I hope you and yours have a wonderful holiday season as well

You do realize they had Watson practice for three weeks this year before deciding not to elevate him from the PUP list, right?

They made the decision to start the rookies the rest of the season before they traded Flaco, not after. What do you think they did, just traded Flacco with no plan moving forward? You don't think they were aware the only two QB's left they had left on the depth chart once Flacco was gone would be the rookies? You believe they just made that up on the fly after they traded Flacco?

So all this time you have agreed that the reason they were starting the rookies was to help decide if they need to draft a QB and then you suddenly had some epiphany to the contrary? I'm beginning to think you change your mind more often than the wind changes direction.

Pretty sure DW has been classified as "limited" every week.

But it seems you are a doctor and know he was cleared to play?

Your well known strategy applies to well managed organizations.
The Browns are unfortunately not one of them.

Any new talented quarterback will be destroyed by Stefanski management so your suggestion works if we change head coach, then I’m with you.
Our lack of a healthy culture and nurturing environment is our main problem with this leadership.

Hasn’t several seasons of total mismanagement learnt us anything?
(an organization on course to 14 losses 2 seasons in a row tells you all you need to know)

So is it your claim that DW didn't practice for three weeks? Don't be so quick to let your agenda get the better of you without doing any homework.................

The deadline to activate Watson from the PUP list was Tuesday, when the practice window closed. During the past three weeks, Watson has conducted individual drills and run the scout team offense. He spent the first three months of the season on the list, and the Browns opened his practice window Dec. 3.

"He's done a great job with everything that's been asked of him," Stefanski said. "I've gotten to see him work so hard, whether it's in the training room, by himself in the indoor with the trainers, on the practice field now for the last bit. Just felt like this was the right decision for him and for us. His focus will continue to be to help this football team and continue to get healthy and get stronger and all those types of things."

Now all you need to do is show I ever stated that "he was cleared to play". Don't worry, I'll wait.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47400757/browns-activate-deshaun-watson-pup-list-season

It seems you.................... Never mind.

I'll just stop you right there. The teams at the top of the draft are teams with the worse records in the NFL. It seems that in Flolandia you think that means they are "well managed orgnaizations".

The rest of your post is just your personal agenda drivel undeserving of a response.

The Browns and the Jets.
There you have them.

They simply don’t know how to develop quarterbacks.

Secondly.
Tell me what is Kevin Stefanski’s strengths?
How does his coaching philosophy benefit the Browns?
Do you think our results lies after six seasons with him in charge?

Give us your verdict.
Is he one of the best head coaches in the NFL?
Average?
More likely bottom ten?

Please shut this discussion down now so we can move on. The floor is yours.

I think we can shut up about DW after June 1st 2026

There is no way to attract anyone decent to take on the browns with the salary cap hell and lack of talent we currently have. I would trade back in the draft and try to land first round picks for 2027 and second round picks for this year.

I'd let Sanders be the starter and prove himself in 2026. If he doesn't get the job done we have ammo for 2027 to draft a QB after all of the picks this year have survived their rookie years.

In this draft, the best WR and LT I can get. Fanno would be a great LT to pick up if we can trade back a little. Then I try to draft a center and 2 guards in the second and 3rd rounds. With variations based on who is signed in Free Agency.

I agree. In chess the King is the most important piece. You set all of your strategy to protect yours and topple the other.

In football, the QB is the king.

From GMs lips to my ears ! 👍 Close the door and move on.

As for needing WR and OL desperately... Anyone want to grade how Berry has performed with those two position groups over the last 6 years ??? It's not good.

AB can always ask Joe Thomas for an opinion. He knows something about O-Line play. Maybe Bill Callahan will help if he's asked too.

Callahan left because of the way the team treated his good friend Alex Van Pelt. I highly, highly doubt that he will ever do anything here ever again.

The two years he had a talented roster he made the playoffs. One of those years was with a Flacco they pulled off the couch.

BS. Callahan left because his son got the HC'ing job with the Titans and he wanted to help build that team with his son. That sounds like a fathers dream come true........................

Bill Callahan says it’s a ‘no-brainer’ to work for his son coaching the Titans’ O-line

https://apnews.com/article/titans-bill-callahan-offensive-line-son-2b4d333bfec0aa6c36a1b6271fa0a807

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Bill Callahan never thought he’d work for his son in the NFL. Not at his age and after all his years in the league.

As Brian Callahan interviewed for head coaching jobs in 2023, father and son talked at length about the idea, leaving Bill convinced he wouldn’t join his son if and when a team hired him.

Then the Tennessee Titans hired Brian in January. With Cleveland’s permission, Bill Callahan said he felt compelled to join his son.

“It really was a kind of a no-brainer in that regard,” said Bill, who turns 68 in July. “So it’s family, and I want to see him succeed. Just like any parent wants to see their children succeed. So, it’s rare. It’s unique. And so, oh yeah I’m fired up about it.”

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I just read things in the way they are written.

Excellent point!

So why in the fekking hell didn’t he and his genius companion continue to build around that young talented quarterback? Imagine 3 first round picks and a favorable salary situation. How fuqqing stupid can you be?

The common theme is bad decision making. One step forward, two steps back.
Inability to evaluate talents. Inability to develop talent. Inability to keep talent.
A ongoing drama. Conflicts.

Our results have a downward spiral. We’re undisciplined. Players seem to give up.

A healthy Baker Mayfield have succeed with all of his OC, two of them has been promoted to head coaches. Two division titles. I’m not sure Stefanski should take credit for Mayfield’s success. Joe Flacco was a former SB winner, almost 100 years old. Again, I don’t think the smartest guy in the room should take credit in that case either.

Two playoff games in charge and out coached and out smarted in both.
3-14 in 2024 and on his way to another disastrous season.

One of the worst head coaches in the NFL! Results don’t lie.

One is the HC and the other one is the GM. Stop acting like each one has the same job and responsibilities.

That's like asking why Berry isn't calling any of the plays. Both sound ridiculous.

If we draft a qb in n 2026 we still have a roster full of holes.
What do you think will happen with a weak oline and without an elite WR1?
Sacks after sacks. Drops after drops. Six seven games in he will be labeled as a failure too.

The Kevin Stefanski experience.

Report Indicates Browns Lost Key Coach Over Costly Decision
https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/onsi/...owns-lost-key-coach-over-costly-decision

The Cleveland Browns decision to move on from offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt last offseason may have cost the franchise much more

After an embarrassing 3-14 season, the Cleveland Browns are left trying to answer why things things went poorly in 2024?

That question starts on the offensive side of the ball, where Cleveland boasted one of the worst offenses in the history of football for the first seven weeks of the season with quarterback Deshaun Watson under center. The embattled QB was certainly part of the problem – a major reason why his absence following a season-ending Achilles injury seemed to benefit the team. Watson was hardly the only issue though.

A veteran offensive line that once was a strength of the Browns regressed massively under new o-line coach Andy Dickerson, leading to Mike Vrabel – serving as a consultant last year – working closely with the group as the season wore on. The orgins of Cleveland's o-line struggles, however, could be traced back to the team allowing legendary position coach Bill Callahan out of his contract to go coach with his son Brian Callahan, who became the head coach of the Tennessee Titans.


At the time it looked liked the Browns simply doing right by a father, by allowing him the unique opportunity to coach with his kid. A new piece by Jason Lloyd of The Athletic paints a much different picture though.

According to Lloyd, some within the Browns believed Callahan was more inclined to stay with the franchise if they hadn't previously fired offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt earlier in the offseason.

"I’ve spoken to players who believe Callahan would have stayed had Van Pelt remained on staff — when Brian first started receiving head-coaching interviews in 2023, Bill made clear he was staying in Cleveland — but all of that seemed to change when Van Pelt was fired," wrote Lloyd. "Andy Dickerson was hired to replace Callahan. The changes were a disaster."

One year later, the organization fired Dickerson and hired former Rice head coach Mike Bloomgren to fill the void left initially by Callahan in 2024.

Meanwhile, Van Pelt's exit at the time may not have seemed like a major deal, particularly because head coach Kevin Stefanski was the team's primary play-caller, it appears the ripple effects of that decision may have been more devastating than it seemed.

To take a QB or not to take a QB? That's what Andrew Berry has to decide with the No. 2 overall pick. But as fans debate what the right move is, here's why drafting out of desperation would be unwise for the Browns: https://t.co/iVNwV9OQ0T

— 𝚂𝚙𝚎𝚗𝚌𝚎𝚛 𝙶𝚎𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 (@Spencito_) January 14, 2025
NFL insider Albert Breer of the Sports Illustrated has gone as far as referring to Van Pelt a "glue guy" on Cleveland's staff during his four years on Stefanski's staff. This latest report would certainly give more credence to the idea that he was held in high esteem not only among players but his fellow coaches as well.

It's long been said by the organization that decisions with the coaching staff are made by Stefanski himself. Some reporting suggests, however, that Stefanski was urged to make a change at OC last offseason by forces above his pay grade in an effort to appease Watson.

That decision may not have only cost the Browns one of the best position coaches in the business, but also may have served as an initial source of the teams struggles in 2024.

Another misconception and why some fail to identifying the core problem.

According to themselves and the owner the leadership take all crucial decisions together. Especially trading away a number one pick who took the team to the playoffs and later give away $230m guaranteed to a sexual predator.

Honestly, can it be that hard?

So then Berry helps make the game plan.

PR statements are great and some are gullible enough to buy into them.

You believe the voice of others over the actual words and quotes from the person we are discussing. Good luck with that........................

Bill Callahan is “fired up” to be coaching with his son, Brian

“I just felt compelled to help him,” Bill Callahan said. “I felt that at this juncture of my career – God willing, how many years do I have left? — I just really wanted to help him. I wanted to help the Titans, and help him succeed. It was really kind of a no-brainer in that regard. It’s family, and I want to see him succeed just like any parent wants to see their children succeed. It’s rare; it’s unique, and so, yeah, I’m fired up about it.”

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...red-up-to-be-coaching-with-his-son-brian

“It’s a dream come true,” Bill told NBC News. “We’re proud of Brian, as we are of all of our children, but this is really a unique and a rare situation that we’re in right now.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/dream-come-true-why-titans-182530662.html

So you value the opinions of others more than actual quotes from Callahan?

One is a credible report from a respected journalist... One I don't particularly care for ... The other statement is a PR statement by a new employer going to work for his son.

I'm not sure either item is conclusive or more compelling than the other.... Journalists write opinion pieces and click bait. Even good ones. New employees rarely make PR statements proclaiming they would have preferred to stay at their last gig.

It's plausible Callaghan would have stayed. It's plausible he was always going to go work for his son.