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And as I said earlier he may have very well been in fear of his life. I find that as being plausible and understandable. That wasn't intended to be any part of my point.

My point was those making the accusation she was intentionally trying to run him over. I certainly agree with you that in a split second, life threatening situation a judgement call doesn't have the time to "unfold". It's s split second decision and fear certainly enters into it. Your brain processes the risk you perceives at that instant.

I'm still not sure how that involves the second and third shots fired directly from the side right through her window but it would certainly help explain the first one.

My issue all along has been people making the claim that she is a "domestic terrorist" and that she was trying to run him over or hit him on purpose. Never has the issue been about the officers response to me. I hope that helps clear up any confusion on the matter.

You sure? This is literally your last post right before this one...

Please double check.


You are mistaken. I didn't post that. Please double check and you will see that wasn't me.

I actually checked myself. That was from a post by mgh888.

Im sure trump will ask him to wear a neck brace for the next year.

Renne Good should not be dead- Wiki- she was a "legal observer"- shot because she didn't get out of car, she moved the car, and was shot. Time will tell if the shooter is charged. JMHO, she wasn't a terrorist, she shouldn't be dead. State law enforcement should charge the shooter.

Yeah, but, but... that's the way you feel, I can tell.

I'm really sorry, Pit.

That was my fault and I was stupid not to double-check. Normally I would quote directly, but since it was on the previous page I just inserted quotes on the new page.

Exactly - there is a huge gap between "this was a justified shooting" (it clearly isn't, from the FBIs own handbook on shooting into vehicles), and "this will get the officer convicted" (it won't, and probably it shouldn't - though I could see a jury finding that the 2nd and 3rd shots rose to the level of being a crime).

But the idea that this was a "domestic terrorism" incident is laughable.

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It's no problem. I didn't think you did it purposefully. I just wanted to clear it up. No blood no foul.

A couple things here,Fed. agents are immune from state prosecution for any acts performed in the line of duty.
The fools want Mn.to investigate?That state can't even investigate billions of dollars of fraud that is happening right under there noses.
Which reminds me,Waltz,a former football coach,will soon be out of a job and the browns are looking for a new coach.Way too coincidental to be happenstance.

Preparing the lockerroom for the new ,dare I say Guy?

Dare you not say guy. Most of us have already gotten through the 8th grade.

FWIW

I saw a scared woman get shot after an officer yelled and attempted to enter her car to remove her..

If that bothered you ,I'll not post my quip about Denmark and their dykes.

There is a joke thread in this forum for your quip.

[quote=hitt]...shot because she didn't get out of car, she moved the car, and was shot...{/quote]

If you call flooring the gas pedal with 3 officers around your car (including one in front of it) "moving the car", I guess you're correct.

Good was a mother of three and had dropped off her six-year-old son at school when she encountered a group of ICE agents, according to her ex-husband.

Flooring her car- you saw a different video than I- floored car moved- what twenty feet and "CREAMED" other car on side of road. NOT.
She was dead pretty quickly. Poor training and complete OVERREACTION. Fired and prosecuted.

That's certainly not a blanket-true statement: https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/are-federal-officials-immune-from-state-prosecution

So you know it's murder? I saw self defense and a person blocking roads and trying to escape by car from law enforcement.

My reaction is a shoulder shrug. I feel bad for her and her family, but you play dangerous games, poor results can be expected.

Well, there is one less domestic terrorist in the world today!!!

I agree. That wasn't a true statement.

Thanks for that article,it was interesting to read and I stand corrected.

Thanks, WIKI isn't good source- a second video shows the agent in front much more than the first- still think overreaction by the ICE agent. Sources say he was dragged 50yds and had numerous stitches from an incident in June 25.....maybe PSD- why and what she was doing there will come out-- bottomline- I and many overreacted to incident- still think she should NOT be dead, but very sad situation on all counts. Remember Republicans and Democrats both think they are 100 right......not.

I watched two videos,,,, I think it was MURDER

things are starting to come out that tell a completely different story.

I'm sure more stuff will come out later.

The agent that stood in front of the vehicle is a moron. They surround a car that is:
1. Running
2. The driver is in full control of

and he stands in front of the vehicle.

He wasn't "standing" in front of a vehicle. He was part of a team converging on the vehicle so that the idiot inside would quit blocking their operation.

You're delusional.

And BTW, your comment that the hole in the windshield is an exit hole from shots fired into the side window is complete made-up trash.

Look at the picture I quoted, there is a guy standing in front of the vehicle.


I made no comment about the hole in the windshield.

If I take a picture of a gazelle racing across grassland at 60mph, does that picture mean the gazelle was standing there?? The officer wasn't standing in front of the vehicle, he was approaching the vehicle when it suddenly backed up and accelerated toward him.

And you're right, that was lookiedookie, I keep getting the two of you confused. Sorry about that.

100% made-up b.s.

So - I said before I won't watch the videos. So I should temper my comments. But just for the record here is what I know and then what I think based on what I have read and heard:

- Protesting in the USA is not a terrorist activity and when the PoTUS comes out hours after a fatal shooting to make such a claim, you know something is amiss. It smells like cover up - or just extremists flooding the zone with excrement.
- Masked agents with no identification - somehow this aspect of how ICE operate seems to be alluding people and being accepted as normal. It is not.
- Use of force by any law enforcement agency needs to be equal and appropriate to the situation - stepping in front of a vehicle to put yourself in harms way to create the scenario where you can claim your life is in danger does not give you the right to then take a life. Rugby tackling a person and slamming to the ground because they are in your face is not appropriate. 32+ deaths in custody and counting for ICE - seems entirely avoidable. As with a traffic stop - an individual not doing what an officer instructs them to do is not a green light for a death penalty.
- The targeting of Democratic cities by the administration is wrong. There are illegal immigrants everywhere - the crime rates are much higher in other Republican cities than the cities targeted by the National Guard. It is more than surprising that people are ok with Trump acting in a petty, vindictive, targeted way against opponents - in the case of ICE, the National Guard and the made up and contrived prosecution of political opponents or individuals who have spoken out against him in the past. To deny this is happening isn't credible - and accepting it represents something that goes against what the founding fathers intended.

Those are all fact based observations.


What I think about the woman shot in MN - based on multiple reports and commentators both conservative and left leaning and also former law enforcement individuals commentating on the actions of the ICE agents.

- It was a shooting that could and should have been avoided.
- It was a shooting where the agent used excessive and unnecessary force.
- It was a situation where he was not in danger and he stepped to the side of the car easily.
- The car was not "full throttle" or accelerating as if to drive over the agent.
- The agent calmly walked away, not in distress or showing any emotion having shot someone in the head.


Bottom line - a US citizen was shot by a masked individual. I don't know what happened immediately prior to this event and if the woman had done something specific to be targeted. Protesting against ICE agents is not "impeding an agent from carrying out their function" - it is not aiding and abetting illegal immigrants.

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - I heard someone quote this yesterday to talk about the republicans. Seems more and more appropriate.
Ignore the targeting of perceived political opponents or democratic cities.
Ignore an agency running around masked and unidentified who are wholly untransparent.
Ignore the overriding of the countries checks and balances.
Ignore the division that emanates from the Whitehouse and claim it is the Democrats that are the party of hate.
Ignore Project 2025 and first claim it has nothing to do with Trump. Then ignore that Trump's administration policy proposals mirror so many Project 2025 blueprints/ideas.

Execution without a trial.

NY Times: Videos Contradict Trump Administration Account of ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html

Any way you cut it, she should have complied with the officers commands. A 10 year old knows that.

Who in here thinks gunning the gas in an attempt to get away from the law is a good idea?

I agree that protest is legal. It does have to be peaceful and not disrupt or obstruct the community. In many cases it needs permit.

Obstructing an officer in the line of duty is not protesting. It is an act of domestic terrorism. This domestic terrorist is the cause of her own death. Plain and simple.

She gunned it after she was shot. Do 10 year olds know what happens after you have bee shot?