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Yes. Or maybe.

1. Is he and officer? Based on what? A gun and a mask? Are you advising all citizens to obey the commands of unidentified individuals dressed in black, masked and waving a firearm?

2. My kids should listen to me when I tell them to do something. People should not steal. People should not drive intoxicated or high. People should abide by the speed limit. She should do something - does not mean that she should be executed if she does not.

I have not watched - every individual I have listened to has indicated the car in no way "was gunned" at the ICE agent.

Also heard and seen a lot of justification for the shooting because the agent was previously dragged under a car (on duty?) -- that changes NOTHING. If anything - if his reaction was based on that trauma (as has been suggested as an excuse) HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CARRYING A FIREARM AND WAS NOT FIT FOR ACTIVE DUTY.

j/c:

Body cam of the agent in front of the car has just been released.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/xb1kCLU2mV

Different perspectives.

Still haven't watched but read the comments. This isn't body cam footage it is a phone recording the incident. These seem appropriate comments I read quickly:.

They are trying to act as if this was a super tense situation and they feared for their lives but he had his phone out to record.

What part of law enforcement training involves silently circling a suspect with your personal phone recording them.

What part of LE training involves drawing your weapon with the other hand and nearly popping your colleague at the drivers window with one of his three rounds.

He shot with his partner right in front of him by a few feet, in the shooters uncontrolled anger he clearly put his fellow officer in danger.

"uncontrolled anger"

Can't even make it up.

Sorry man, she was shot after lurching forward.

They are always full of excuses of some sort.

I would like to know your excuse for firing two shots through the drivers side window after the danger had passed.

I could have tried to edit peoples comments and make them less emotional -- but I decided to write what was written. I don't like that choice of words or trying to paint the agents actions as anger - but the rest of his point was valid - as were the other comments. As usual and something you in particular do - pick the one thing to mock while avoiding the substance of the other 98%.

Tucker Carlson Rips MAGA Reactions To Fatal ICE Shooting: 'A Woman Got Shot In The Face'

Carlson slammed his fellow conservatives for using the tragedy “to score political points,” while also decrying liberal leaders like Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey for “behaving like children” by ordering ICE to “get the **** out” of the city.

“But it should be secondary to the tragedy of Renee Nicole Good losing her life,” Carlson wrote Thursday in his subscriber-based newsletter.

“The 37-year-old was an American citizen and reportedly the mother of a kindergarten-aged child. Did we disagree with her views on immigration? Probably,” he continued. “But that shouldn’t matter. Her death is a tragedy, regardless of her partisan affiliations, ideological beliefs, or who pulled the trigger. A woman got shot in the face. How come so few conservatives are viewing this story through a human lens?”

Carlson argued in his newsletter that “the other side” did just that after right-wing activist Charlie Kirk was killed in September, though most Democratic pundits and lawmakers accused of doing so argued they were merely opposed to Kirk’s political views. Trump and Vance were notably quick to blame the “radical left” for Kirk’s assassination.

Carlson argued Thursday that violence around the world is “desensitizing Americans to violence at home,” adding that as Trump supporters and critics debate the recent U.S. military operation in Venezuela, few have focused on the death toll of at least 75 people.

Carlson says Americans have grown far too accustomed to “tales of the IDF’s U.S.-backed barbarities” in Gaza, where the Israel Defense Force has continued killing Palestinians amid a phased ceasefire, all with taxpayer-funded military aid from the U.S.

“If the United States were in a better place, everyone, regardless of their politics, would pause when something like the Minneapolis shooting happens and at least recognize the human tragedy,” wrote Carlson. “But that doesn’t happen because, compared to the countless overseas killings our government routinely brings about, Good’s death doesn’t seem like such a big deal. She’s just another headline.”

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/tucker-carlson-rips-maga-reactions-210723630.html

This is just a portion of a larger article that has what I consider to be political posturing involved so I only wanted to post the quotes Carlson made and points he brought up in his newsletter. You can read the rest of the article at the link if you so choose to.

Maybe there should be a non partisan investigation into how it happened.

And maybe one of them will step up to the plate and explain why they think it's okay for that ICE officer to fire off those second and third shots into her drivers side window after he was no longer in any threat of being hit by her vehicle.

I'm not going to hold my breath that either one of those things will happen.

Important Note: It's not a body cam, it's a personal cell phone the agent was holding in his hand. It's not always on the center of his body, and when it shakes a lot, it is just because he is moving his hand.

Your undying support for Murderers, Rapists, pedos, Jan 6 insurrectionists, NAZIS, and convicted felons tells me what a piece of work you are. Pfffft MAGAts.

I knew it was only a matter of time that this would happen. They’re killing US citizens now for resisting their agenda. That’s a mandate only MAGAts voted for. Supporting Trump is supporting the killing of US citizens in cold blood on the streets of America. Own it MAGAts.

Speaking of Jan 6; remember when an unarmed Ashli Babbitt "got what she deserved"?

Any way the wind blows...

Fate, Wow have things changed!! The looney lefties used to think if someone assaulted a federal police officer they should be thrown in the dungeon and throw away the key ! Apparently if the assaulters are their lefty buddies it is just okie dokie. What phonies!!

If the people really want ICE out of their town they should just let them arrest the criminals they are after. Then they will leave . These “demonstrators” are trying to keep the police from arresting the criminals illegal aliens.

The lefties need to remember something. All of this is their responsibility. They elected a president who opened the border and dumped 10-15 million unvetted illegals into our country. They elected a president who welcomed gang bangers, pedophiles, child abusers, wife heaters and other criminals across our border and into towns across America . Many of these illegals have hurt Americans. And the lefties do not care! Somebody has to clean up the mess they made. None of them are willing to do it.

Is that you Donald? No it cant be. At least he said "and I assume some are good people".

ICE is the trump Gestapo. Read some history MAGAts, like around 1940-1945. Resist!

Comparing violent rioters and insurrectionists attacking the US capitol to overthrow a government to a mother dropping of her kid at school is a huge reach bro. But MAGAts do that. It’s what they are. Stinky MAGAts.

I didn't. But I understand that you have a really tough time at comprehension - I've read skimmed your post for nearly twenty years now.

I compared one woman to one woman. One, a twelve-year military vet and mother, unarmed, was shot and killed climbing toward a window on Jan 6. You all - to a man - said she got what she deserved.

The other, a mother who left the country with her wife and one remaining child moved out of the country when Trump became president. She later moved to Minneapolis to enroll her son in a "social justice charter school" and begin her career of interfering with ICE operations.

She was shot by an officer after nearly running him over when disobeying orders to exit her vehicle. She is a martyr and a symbol of "all things good" in the fight to stop Trump and ICE from removing all the violent criminals the previous (p)resident let into the country.


And BTW, as usual, you are sadly misinformed by that syringe you call "news". She was NOT dropping her kid off at school. She had spent the whole day as the "ringleader" in blocking ICE with her vehicle and preventing them from doing their job.

Ooooh, ringleader.

That has a nice, devious sounding ring to it.

Straight from the mouth of witness in the area.

Imagine you, surprised at hyperbole.

Oh, I'm not one bit surprised by it.

There were several witnesses at the scene who described things much differently.

j/c

If that woman had a MAGA hat on and the man in front of her car were a protester, don't tell me the lefties wouldn't be screaming attempted murder.

You mean if two of the three shots were taken from the side of her vehicle instead of in front of it where they might have actually been hit? Is that your justification?

Everybody knows LEOs are trained to eliminate the threat. Only dumb ones shoot once at a moving target. That said, the first shot through the windshield will be confirmed as kill shot. This is all just blubbering and whining. Meaningless noise seems to be the mantra of the (D)s.

For someone speaking about meaningless noise you've been posting quite a bit of it.

As long as someone is a threat they are trained to eliminate it. Once it is no longer a threat that doesn't apply.

So you already know which shot was the kill shot? But I would venture to guess since state and local law enforcement are being barred from seeing the evidence and the people doing the investigation have a narrative to push they will certainly claim the first shot was the kill shot.

Okay I'm going to add to my reply so as not to commit a drive by like the post you just made.

And I know you didn't address the post to me directly. But when you make a generalization like this...............


............ you certainly lumped me into your reply as that is the label I'm accused of as much as anyone on this board.

I've tried very hard not to look at this from either side. As I've posted consistently throughout this thread, at least from a legal point of view I can see how when he made that first shot it could be justified that he was in fear for his life. I don't know his motivation so I have not and will not speak to that.

But by the time those second and third shots were fired no such claim appears to be valid. He was at least 4-5 feet away from the vehicle and it was turned in such a manner that distance was only increasing.

I would agree with you that there has been bias and one sided takes on this shooting. But that isn't a one way street.

It was obvious her wheels were turned to the right trying to avoid hitting the ICE agent. So to claim she was "trying to run over him" is just BS. Trump even claimed she DID run over him which is BS. She was labeled a domestic terrorists which is BS.

So you can post "you lefties" all you like but to ignore the other narrative here being painted by the other side doesn't work.

I suppose you think this post makes me a lefty too.

You're catching on. So, when someone is driving right at you, how many shots are you firing?

I would fire to the point that I'm no longer in front of the vehicle and not in danger of being ran over by it.

Which means once I'm beside the vehicle with a clearance of 4-5 feet to the side and it's moving away from me I'm no longer in threat of being run over. At that point I wouldn't be firing into the drivers side window. And you?

That would be the first shot, not the second and third one.

Questions.

Did the agent put himself in harms way through choice.

Was she a threat other than before she may or may not have moved closer to him? Meaning, they had her picture and licence plate. If they had let her drive off and prosecuted her later was she a threat to anyone or anything?

Is it clear that the protesters were preventing agents from apprehending illegal immigrants? Or were they simply protesting because they could see and knew the location of the agents?

Does anybody have a Scooby-Doo why the agent was recording her with the phone? To me that seems beyond weird, and with the way it all played out, is there anything to digest her was goading her or baiting her?

Is there dialogue from any agents telling her to be calm or walk her through the reason they are attempting apprehend her?

It isn't going to make any difference in the long run. But I'm curious. At the end of the day it seems the shooting was eminently preventable. Firstly by her own actions but secondly and as importantly by choices and actions of the agent.

I'm not going to debate the circumstances leading up to the shooting with you. Yes he chose to place himself in front of the vehicle which goes against what officers are trained. That doesn't change the fact she chose to move forward as he was standing there.

I have made it as clear as I know how to that it was obvious she was turning away from him as you can clearly see her wheels turned to the right.

My point all along has been that I think in a court of law he could make the case he was in fear of his life when he made that first shot. I'm also not saying that things could have been done in a better manner that may have prevented this from happening in the first place.

At this point in time I can't even get people to admit that the second and third shots can't be justified.

Thanks. I'm not debating anything. I was asking questions but that's fine

I don't really have the answer to those questions as I have not informed myself enough about that part of the events to have reached a rational conclusion.