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If that woman had a MAGA hat on and the man in front of her car were a protester, don't tell me the lefties wouldn't be screaming attempted murder


LMAO. Just as expected, the royal Pitshow of deliberately misinterpreting a poster's comment to argue a point that wasn't made.

You mean if two of the three shots were taken from the side of her vehicle instead of in front of it where they might have actually been hit? Is that your justification?

That 100% says it all.

Why would the agent be in harm's way??

Go ahead and answer that and we can put this entire story to rest.

It's really simple - and you can acknowledge the issues or you can choose ignore them.

- She was a protester - not a threat to anyone before this incident. If she "got away" there was not danger to anyone in the area, immediately or in the future.
- The punishment for not obeying a LE instruction is not death.
- They had her face/video/number plate ... they had everything they needed to prosecute her if they wanted to. There was no imperative to prevent her leaving the location.
- So when they decided to try to apprehend her - there was no reason to escalate.
- At a traffic stop - and as far as I can understand in any situation when apprehending someone in a vehicle - you pull up behind them, you approach from the side - you do not choose to step in front of the vehicle. Not unless you are willfully putting yourself in harms way. That seems wholly unnecessary given the previous facts and a very deliberate choice he made.

You can choose to understand that is a logical and valid thought process. Or you can choose not to. It doesn't even get into why the guy would be recording her with his personal phone. It doesn't get into which way the tires were pointed or where her steering wheel was obviously being turned away from him.

So the punishment for blocking a road is to be shot. Got it.

Using a vehicle as a weapon! Attacking officers of the law!

If that woman had a MAGA hat on and the man in front of her car were a protester, don't tell me the lefties wouldn't be screaming attempted murder


LMAO. Just as expected, the royal Pitshow of deliberately misinterpreting a poster's comment to argue a point that wasn't made.

Okay I'm going to add to my reply so as not to commit a drive by like the post you just made.

And I know you didn't address the post to me directly. But when you make a generalization like this...............


............ you certainly lumped me into your reply as that is the label I'm accused of as much as anyone on this board.

I've tried very hard not to look at this from either side. As I've posted consistently throughout this thread, at least from a legal point of view I can see how when he made that first shot it could be justified that he was in fear for his life. I don't know his motivation so I have not and will not speak to that.

But by the time those second and third shots were fired no such claim appears to be valid. He was at least 4-5 feet away from the vehicle and it was turned in such a manner that distance was only increasing.

I would agree with you that there has been bias and one sided takes on this shooting. But that isn't a one way street.

It was obvious her wheels were turned to the right trying to avoid hitting the ICE agent. So to claim she was "trying to run over him" is just BS. Trump even claimed she DID run over him which is BS. She was labeled a domestic terrorists which is BS.

So you can post "you lefties" all you like but to ignore the other narrative here being painted by the other side doesn't work.

I suppose you think this post makes me a lefty too.

That said, the first shot through the windshield will be confirmed as kill shot. This is all just blubbering and whining. Meaningless noise seems to be the mantra of the (D)s.

This is all just blubbering and whining. Meaningless noise seems to be the mantra of the (D)s.

things are starting to come out that tell a completely different story.

I'm sure more stuff will come out later.

Many people had no idea that impeding traffic resulted in the death penalty. We are learning a lot of new things during the trump administration.

The left has encouraged this, applauded this and normalized this.

For more than 3 minutes the anti-ICE agitator impeded a law enforcement operation with her vehicle.

Let me just address this for a moment. Not the stupid comments part but "the first shot through the windshield will be confirmed as kill shot" part. First off, once again, I think we need to consider who is in charge of "confirming it".

If you care to try and look at what little evidence we have to go on there are still photos that show where the fist bullet entered the windshield. When facing the vehicle that bullet hole is low, maybe 4-6 inches from the bottom of the windshield and far off to the right side of the windshield. It would appear that it's located well right of where the steering wheel would be located and a drivers head would typically be located.

Looking at still photos of where he was standing at the side of the vehicle when he was making the second and third shots his gun was pointed in what looks for more likely to be head level.

It's not impossible for the first shot to have been the kill shot. But she would have had to be sitting in such a way that her head was very low. Almost to the point that it was beside the steering wheel towards the drivers side door for that to be possible.

But it seems that now this topic has devolved into this where actual discussion has left the building.


That's what it sounds like when people are no longer holding their own in a discussion.

Sorry, another swing and a miss by you. Maybe try looking at what I am responding to next time......................


Context matters.

Many people had no idea that impeding traffic resulted in the death penalty. We are learning a lot of new things during the trump administration.

Typical. You want to bring up everything but the actual incident itself. When all else fails resort to deflection I suppose.

Yes, it does...



You drew a direct correlation between blocking traffic and a "death penalty". Do you even read these posts?

I most certainly do read them. That Tweet was implying by it's very headline that somehow her impeding ICE made some difference in the outcome of the incident. It did not. As I said, context means something.

And for the other post where you went off on some diatribe. We were having a back and forth discussion of the events that day. At the point where I brought up the trajectory of the shots fired you decided to quickly abandon that discussion to start your usual political BS. I'm not trying to force your hand into doing anything. I'm pointing out that you abandoned an actual discussion to start with attacking and demeaning those with a differing political view than yourself.

I simply stated that if you wished to continue having an actual discussion then do so. But it's becoming quite obvious you have no intention of doing so. You instead have decided to bring it back down to the way things were before. And now you're trying to blame me for it. Same as it ever was.......

And speaking of Jan. 6th. If what she did is described as domestic terrorism, wouldn't that also describe the Jan. 6th rioters? Remember, you brought it up, not me.

If you really wish to keep pretending you're addressing the incident hop back an the discussion train..................

Dude. I really don't understand what goes through your head at this site. YOU do not control all narrative and direct all conversation. If you really think you do, or even should, you should probably seek help.

The left has encouraged this, applauded this and normalized this.

If that woman had a MAGA hat on and the man in front of her car were a protester, don't tell me the lefties wouldn't be screaming attempted murder.

You mean if two of the three shots were taken from the side of her vehicle instead of in front of it where they might have actually been hit? Is that your justification?

What am I avoiding? You keep saying that. What is it you want me to be talking about??

Don't stop there - ask Him for forgiveness.

I said once he was standing at least four feet to the side of the vehicle when the second and third shots were taken she was no longer a threat to his life.

His arms were fully extended and he gun was still well clear of the vehicle. That is a minimum of at least four feet. No fairly tail there. So you are saying his brain was reacting so slowly that he had no idea that once he was beside the vehicle with at least four feet of clearance he couldn't determine she was no longer a threat to him? Yeah, right.

The video plainly shows that he was well clear of the vehicle and the second and third shots were taken towards the drivers side window.

I've seen nothing that indicates the kill shot was through the windshield and in fact the location where the shot entered the windshield would indicate just the opposite. You must remember he actually was recording this with his own cell phone. How much time would that allow him to make an accurate shot with the first one? By the second and third shots he had more time to steady his weapon and make more accurate shots. His stance alone on the second and third shots is a typical stance you use when aiming for accuracy.