DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Todd Monken Hired as Browns HC

I just saw a graphic on Colin Cowherd that is quite interesting. It said and there were 10 examples, that when a HC is fired and the team promotes a coach on the existing staff to HC it never works out. Only one HC had a winning record and that was 35-33 not too great. Maybe we made the right decision. Time will tell.

I really hope Todd Monken really works out. If the Browns lose Jim Schwartz, it sure is not starting out well. Right now, seems like adding yet another layer to the dysfunction. I like hiring the older coach with more experience than the young guys. This franchise is not ready for a young guy to cut his teeth on this job. I would have preferred Jim Schwartz. His defenses performance over the last few years I thought warranted a promotion. I hope they can bring him back into the fold some way. I had heard Monken is a non-nonsense kind of coach and if he and Schwartz who is much the same can work together maybe just maybe this hire and the n nonsense approach can change the Browns culture. Camp cupcake has to change. Even Stefanski was much harder and tougher last year's training camp.

While this is an underwhelming hire, I am relieved that Schwartz did not get the head coaching job, he is just not a head coach and I do not care if he coached the Lions, he had the opportunity to improve the Lions and making the Lions into a winning team and he failed to do so and his head coaching record is 29 wins and 52 losses which is terrible but I am really hoping that Schwartz will stay as defensive coordinator, I heard he is upset that he did not get the head coaching job so I would not blame him if he leaves but the players wants Schwartz to stay so we will see what happens

This is exactly what I suspect will happen and posted as much in a previous thread.

My guess is this hire lasts one, maybe two years and the Browns are back starting all over again with a new GM and HC search.

Haslam cannot get out of his own way and has an uncanny ability to make situations go from bad to worse. It's quite remarkable!

The Packers are hiring Bobby Babich, the former Bills DC. Source said he's replacing Ryan Downard and he will have the defensive passing game coordinator title.

Matt LaFleur interviewed Babich for the Packers DC job the last time before hiring Hafley.

Look who is going after Schwartz

Another thing is we hired a coach who has seen us more than a few times from the opposite sideline. This will give him a unique view of our team.

God, we are the best at not figuring things out before we act. I thinkI've figured out our brand of dysfunction: lack of top down communication. A classic!

So... was there a conversation with Schwartz during the process to gauge his feelings on if they hired someone else? Did they approach him before Monken to get his feeling about Monken? Did they really sense that he was going to be fonzi about the hire and be willing to stay? What gave them that feeling? Why does this all sound like it was surprise to Schwartz? Was he led on? And now, why it's a surprise to the team that he's unhappy and walking? It was made clear in earlier articles that whoever they picked needed to sign on with Schwartz but they didn't get the Schwartz's sign-on?

All preventable self-owns. We will never go anywhere with this owner. He can't even see his own incompetence and no one around him is filling in the obvious competence gaps. This will not end as long as he's running things.

Meh

Don't you mean it can't be both at the same time? It would make sense that AFTER some of your top candidates start dropping out like flies you may, at some point decide to change your strategy. I don't like the idea of losing Schwartz but it became painfully obvious trying to cram him down the throat of coaching candidates or only considering candidates he would embrace working with wasn't working.

Well Jim Schwartz is under contract for another year. If he wants to continue coaching, he must do so for the Browns in 2026, retire, or another team trades for him. That really is his only options at this point. If the Browns want to retauin him they do not have to release him for nothing. Kind of like the Garrett situation last year. The Browns for 1 more year hold all the leverage.

If JS does leave , I hope he doesn’t, but if he does is there someone on the D staff that can step up and take DC and keep the D pretty much the same?

It's worked out plenty of times.....Walsh>Seifert, Madden>Flores, Noll>the chin just off the top of my head.

When is the last time a team traded for a defensive coordinator? I cannot remember but I doubt any team is going to trade for a defensive coordinator

Then unless the Browns relieve him of his DC duties, he will be our defensive coordinator in 2026 or he retires.

Or the Browns could just honor his wishes and allow him to leave. Of course if they want to add insult to injury they could force JS into a marriage he hates being in. I don't see how anything productive could come from that.

Who says he is going to retire? Schwartz might go to another team

Unless the Browns release him from his duties or ei fire him as they did Stefanski and there are financial ramifications that the Browns would owe him for the 1 year remaining on his contract so that he can only get out of his contract by a promotion like taking a Head Coaching role. A lateral move like taking a Defensive Coordinator role with another team would require that team to trade for him.

How? He's under contract with the Browns. The very conversation you just quoted is discussing his options. Try and keep up, bud.

Just out of the kindness of their hearts!!!! If they do they would owe him $$$ for releasing him of his contract. Maybe if he forfeited that $$$ but I doubt he would do that. If another team like Pittsburg wanted to hire him do you allow him to go there for nothing? That is not good business.

No, for the commonsense reason he just stated. I don't understand people being appalled by the very process in which over 90% of these cases work out lol.

wow.

It's safe to say Schwartz is out.

I agree with Schwartz. he deserved this promotion. He was the best hire this franchise has ever made and they did not reward him for that.

We literally sabotaged our entire search by telling every prospect Scwartz had to stay. Now he tells us to GFO.

There is no way / no how you could ever sell this 30-year script to Hollywood. Never. You'd have a better chance selling E.T. as a documentary.

So funny people are getting worked up Jim Schwartz.
Very good DC . But let's not act like his defenses were historically
Setting records or reminding us of the 85 Bears. And he was a under .500 HC.

Pretty much.

Jimmy should have fired beady-eyed Berry.

The fallout of this is losing Schwartz. Now we have both sides of the ball to fix, if in fact Schwartz leaves. Sometimes initial reactions change after a few days, but I have a feeling they won't in this case.

The happenings over this last month or two have cemented a feeling I have milled around for the last couple of years. After 19 seasons as a season ticket holder I am not going to renew for a 20th year. lol...See comment above about initial reactions.

There are a lot of reasons involved, not all football related.

When I first got them, I was traveling up to 5-6 games a year for several years and figured I might as well get season tickets. 20 some years later I am going up to maybe 4 games a year. Might as well just go back and buy tickets online.

I see we're going to do haikus every five posts. Here's mine.

Wisdom bought in cans,
Beer breath fuels his sports talk rage—
Browns' dullest prophet.

At some point people need to consider the long term ramifications of their actions. Let me explain what's not good business. Showing every coach on every level in the NFL that you are a team that will hire a new HC and then force a DC that doesn't want to work under the new HC to stay. They've already shown that they wanted to force a new HC to only have control of the offense and keep the current DC. That disaster didn't end well.

As if the Browns didn't have enough trouble in the hiring process at HC this time, actions like that will make it even harder the next time.

These people live in the business world. They understand contracts. Just like Garrett he had no real leverage. The Browns could have forced him to fulfill his contract, and they then could have franchised tagged him after that. People can yell and complain but that is business. I would expect them to work out a resolution with JS. Money talks. Ask Garrett. But if you think he is valuable you do not let value just walk out the door for nothing. Maybe a team thinks enough of him as a DC they are willing to trade a draft pick for him? Do you want to lose that opportunity. JS is angry and he has a right to be angry but at the end of the day he is a professional and he will either honor his contract or work out some kind of resolution to leave. I doubt the Browns or any other team that feels they have something of value will pay someone of value to just walk out the door. That is plain silly.