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George was Cleveland's offensive line coach from 2009 to 2013 under head coach Eric Mangini.
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George better get to work immediately! He’s got some work to do!
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George better pray for an infusion of talent on the OL. To accomplish his work he will need something to work with.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Maybe we could package Schwartz with Deshaun Watson to sweeten the return on a trade.
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Well Jim Schwartz is under contract for another year. If he wants to continue coaching, he must do so for the Browns in 2026, retire, or another team trades for him. That really is his only options at this point. If the Browns want to retauin him they do not have to release him for nothing. Kind of like the Garrett situation last year. The Browns for 1 more year hold all the leverage. When is the last time a team traded for a defensive coordinator? I cannot remember but I doubt any team is going to trade for a defensive coordinator Then unless the Browns relieve him of his DC duties, he will be our defensive coordinator in 2026 or he retires. Who says he is going to retire? Schwartz might go to another team Unless the Browns release him from his duties or ei fire him as they did Stefanski and there are financial ramifications that the Browns would owe him for the 1 year remaining on his contract so that he can only get out of his contract by a promotion like taking a Head Coaching role. A lateral move like taking a Defensive Coordinator role with another team would require that team to trade for him. Schwartz is not getting traded, name a team that traded for a defensive coordinator? I will wait
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Maybe we could package Schwartz with Deshaun Watson to sweeten the return on a trade. Yeah right, no team would trade for Watson's contract
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Clearly the internal communication between the general manager and JS hasn’t been honest enough. Interviewing several outside candidates without securing the DC position of the matter is incompetence, there’s unfortunately no other word to use.
The trust in the owners are probably down to zero but the more interesting question is how this will affect Andrew Berry’s future power in the organization? Someone has failed in this process and it will again cement the Browns reputation as a dysfunctional organization.
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We have been told over and over again "we have a process."
Please tell me what it is.
The Browns knew well before the season ended they were going to fire KS.
Did they call Schwartz in and explain their intentions?
When they fired KS Haslam told everyone "we think highly of Jim Schwartz." JS was the first interview.
Why when they knew that they were going to hire an offensive guy that they didn't let Jim know?
No. Berry said we are going to be "open minded" about the side of the ball. BS.
Just tell JS that our plan is to build the offense and develop a quarterback. Be honest with him. It makes sense at this point in time to hire an offensive head coach.
Ask him then and there "are you ok with that? We would love to keep you." It is ok if he didn't want to stay. It is ok to let the new head coach hire his own staff.
Why be deceptive? Why lead him on and bring him in for a second interview?
Now you alienate half the locker room. And you handicap the new head coach because half the players are pissed off and feel the guy they love is getting screwed.
So now you have defensive players brought in to fit the scheme they have run for three years successfully. And you have to hire a new DC.
Pure Haslam.
Monken has 11 years in the NFL and 26 years in college. He is 60 years old and has never been a head coach in the NFL.
Why does this smell bad?
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I am not ripping Monken.
He has produced with all kinds of offenses built for the players on the team. He is a respected offensive coach.
That however, does make him a good head coach candidate.
The job involves many varied responsibilities. It is not just coaching an offense.
I hope it works but I dislike how they handled this "process."
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Or the Browns could just honor his wishes and allow him to leave. Of course if they want to add insult to injury they could force JS into a marriage he hates being in. I don't see how anything productive could come from that. Just out of the kindness of their hearts!!!! If they do they would owe him $$$ for releasing him of his contract. Maybe if he forfeited that $$$ but I doubt he would do that. If another team like Pittsburg wanted to hire him do you allow him to go there for nothing? That is not good business. At some point people need to consider the long term ramifications of their actions. Let me explain what's not good business. Showing every coach on every level in the NFL that you are a team that will hire a new HC and then force a DC that doesn't want to work under the new HC to stay. They've already shown that they wanted to force a new HC to only have control of the offense and keep the current DC. That disaster didn't end well. As if the Browns didn't have enough trouble in the hiring process at HC this time, actions like that will make it even harder the next time. These people live in the business world. They understand contracts. Just like Garrett he had no real leverage. The Browns could have forced him to fulfill his contract, and they then could have franchised tagged him after that. People can yell and complain but that is business. I would expect them to work out a resolution with JS. Money talks. Ask Garrett. But if you think he is valuable you do not let value just walk out the door for nothing. Maybe a team thinks enough of him as a DC they are willing to trade a draft pick for him? Do you want to lose that opportunity. JS is angry and he has a right to be angry but at the end of the day he is a professional and he will either honor his contract or work out some kind of resolution to leave. I doubt the Browns or any other team that feels they have something of value will pay someone of value to just walk out the door. That is plain silly. Uhhh, no. To use a tired cliche, players are soldiers, coaches are commanders. No one is under the player. The coaches are field management. When a manager/ commander goes bad, get them out of the building as fast possible. You want a toxic situation, booby traps and turd sandwiches at every turn? Force a prideful and disgruntled field manager to stay and do your bidding.
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I like the hire
There were lots of Browns fans complaining about Stefanski
The game day thread executed Stefanski in all kinds of ways
Fans wanted him to give up play calling and be fired
Why ? Because the Browns ended up last in the division too many times under his tenure.
Now the Browns hire a guy who came from the team that usually was the AFCN champions
Yes, I will be glad to give this coach a chance
He might not be who you wanted and you may say bad things about him because of that.
I do recall how many times fans have said they wish the Browns were like the Ravens
The Browns got a coach from a divisional rival who most of the time lead the AFCN
This could be a great hire from his time scheming against the Bengals and Steelers
Schwartz D lost games also, you can use the O sucked and couldn't score points card
Now the Browns bring in a guy who has lots of O experience and who is known for being hard to scheme against
I'm excited to see what happens
Surely I wasn't excited the last two seasons
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Maybe we could package Schwartz with Deshaun Watson to sweeten the return on a trade. Yeah right, no team would trade for Watson's contract Just when you think, "no need for a purple font on this one".
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Can you imagine walking in right now? As the press and fans do a collective meh sigh when your name is announced? As the one coach you were told you had to accommodate tells the big boss to go F himself on the way out, who was clearly not handled professionally? Like, what did I just get myself into?
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Or the Browns could just honor his wishes and allow him to leave. Of course if they want to add insult to injury they could force JS into a marriage he hates being in. I don't see how anything productive could come from that. Just out of the kindness of their hearts!!!! If they do they would owe him $$$ for releasing him of his contract. Maybe if he forfeited that $$$ but I doubt he would do that. If another team like Pittsburg wanted to hire him do you allow him to go there for nothing? That is not good business. At some point people need to consider the long term ramifications of their actions. Let me explain what's not good business. Showing every coach on every level in the NFL that you are a team that will hire a new HC and then force a DC that doesn't want to work under the new HC to stay. They've already shown that they wanted to force a new HC to only have control of the offense and keep the current DC. That disaster didn't end well. As if the Browns didn't have enough trouble in the hiring process at HC this time, actions like that will make it even harder the next time. These people live in the business world. They understand contracts. Just like Garrett he had no real leverage. The Browns could have forced him to fulfill his contract, and they then could have franchised tagged him after that. People can yell and complain but that is business. I would expect them to work out a resolution with JS. Money talks. Ask Garrett. But if you think he is valuable you do not let value just walk out the door for nothing. Maybe a team thinks enough of him as a DC they are willing to trade a draft pick for him? Do you want to lose that opportunity. JS is angry and he has a right to be angry but at the end of the day he is a professional and he will either honor his contract or work out some kind of resolution to leave. I doubt the Browns or any other team that feels they have something of value will pay someone of value to just walk out the door. That is plain silly. Uhhh, no. To use a tired cliche, players are soldiers, coaches are commanders. No one is under the player. The coaches are field management. When a manager/ commander goes bad, get them out of the building as fast possible. You want a toxic situation, booby traps and turd sandwiches at every turn? Force a prideful and disgruntled field manager to stay and do your bidding. Bingo. If the Browns want to compound an already bad situation and make the matters exponentially worse they would force Schwartz to stay. They cannot possibly be this dumb. Imagine the finger pointing and potential backstabbing if/when the defense excels and the offense is dreadful again. Todd Haley and Hue Jackson scenario all over again. The Browns should have been prepared for and anticipated Schwartz wanting out if he was not going to be named the HC. Thinking they could string Schwartz along only to tell him, "sorry, we're going with other guy, but come on back to be DC under the new coach" and thinking he would be ok with it is quite naive. I sure hope Monken had a list of potential DC candidates he presented and they were not banking on Schwartz sticking around.
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At some point you’d think someone has to walk in here and get something positive done and I think I’d rather try a guy with his experience, whose never had his shot at HC than another guys whose failed 2 or 3 times and gets yet another chance.
Rather than think there has to be something wrong with this guy to have not had his chance, I’d rather hope he’s been passed over and everyone may have made a mistake.
As cliche and old as that sounds hope is all you have with this team. He has a big task ahead. I hope this owner and FO have looked in their mirrors and decided on a different tack for this go around.
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