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That would be second best.

The best would be that Watson somehow comes back looking like the player we thought we got when we made the trade.

I doubt that happens and if so, there would be fan backlash, but that would last maybe 2 weeks if he comes out looking great.

We did. As soon as the decision to hire Monk for his O mind, they knew the odds of keeping Schwartz were pretty slim.

His dead cap becomes more manageable if they designate him a June 1st cut after the 2026 year ends...so June 1, 2027 he's gone.. If he's not on IR, he's on the 53 for the 2026 season.

That depends on the fan. I will never want a sexual predator as the face of the Browns. Never. Some of us have a line in the sand when it comes to "winning at all costs" and some of us don't.

While your disdain is generally well-earned, I'm not sure this is the best example. Schwartz is throwing a temper-tantrum, when you get down to it.

As someone who was pulling for Schwartz to get the promotion based on the impression that he had grown and tempered his approach from the Detroit days, I gotta say that if this is how you handle disappointment then the Browns top job probably isn't for you.

I'm not so sure I would call someone refusing to be forced into a marriage as temper tantrum. I'm not sure if disappointment means the same thing as the Browns hiring a HC he doesn't want to work with. Let's face it, it's not like Schwartz will have trouble finding another job. And unless I'm mistaken all another team would have to do is add the title of "assistant HC" to the DC title and it would be considered a promotion which the Browns couldn't stop.

What a game that was...one of my best Browns memories ever! Back then I was working every other weekend, and couldn't make that game. Unfortunately, I did make the next one....."the drive" game. What a looooong drive home.

That has been the plan for a LONG time.

I get that but is it really not accurate that's how things stand at the present time? I mean just look at the posts in this thread. The experiences the fans seem to love and place the most value on are of days gone by. From yesteryear. As things stand today it seems nobody has faith in the ownership. We have no clear QB, no OL worth speaking of and no clear #1 WR.

The best and strongest unit we had faith in just lost its DC. It's just a very murky and cloudy picture moving forward.

So I do believe all we are getting by on as fans are our fond memories and hope.

Storming out of the office after not getting a promotion (especially if half the details of his exit are true) is absolutely throwing a temper tantrum. He just had to coach the same defense with the same coaching staff for one season and he'd be THE top hire in the next coaching cycle. Instead, he confirmed the decision to NOT hand him the reigns of a franchise. He probably did more to hurt his chances in the next cycle.

See, here's where things may not be as cut and dry as some would like to make it sound.

Did the Browns bring him in and talk to him before they hired Monkin or did they just call him in and tell him, "This is how it is." and spring it on him without any consultation? Did they sit the two of them down together in a meeting before the hire was made to try and work anything out beforehand?

What makes you think a new HC may not wish to change at least a part of the defensive coaching staff? What makes you think a new HC would just decide he would have no say on the D side of the ball?

You see, I have no idea the way any of this was handled or mishandled as the case may be. But then neither does anyone else jumping to the conclusion this was just some baseless temper tantrum on the part of Schwartz. They are just basing it on a very few facts with zero details of the way all of this went down to provide any context.

Often times it's not the moves a corporation makes as it is the callus and and uncaring way they go about it. For this owner and FO to get respect they have to show the people who have proven they deserve respect, respect as well.

I'm not sure that happened here. But then neither does anyone else. It may be that the way it happened has more to do with the results than what happened. Speaking for myself I certainly don't trust that this owner and FO handled it in the best way possible. If they did it would be one of those very rare times. I certainly don't truat them enough to claim this entire situation rests solely on the shoulders of Schwartz while claiming they had zero culpability.

But to each their own I suppose.

Not sure if this is where you were going with that response, but my comments on here should, in no way, be taken as a defense of Haslam. I have little doubt that he had some sort of influence in this whole thing going sideways.

Now that that's out of the way, I'm sure not getting the promotion is disappointing for Schwartz... but it happens all the time (especially in the NFL). If he had handled this like an adult, he would've made his displeasure known, and entered the coaching cycle next season. I think I'd be more inclined to agree with you if he had people knocking down his door for interviews... but he doesn't.

Also, I forgot to mention that I had read that the whole 'Assistant HC' loophole that you (as I have earlier) described is no longer applicable. Apparently all position coach jobs and coordinator jobs are on equal footing. There was a rule change on this in 2020, and I'm having a hard time finding the actual wording as it applies to Schwartz so please correct me if I'm wrong. My understanding is that the ol' "just slap asst HC on there" move isn't really a thing anymore as it applies to coordinators moving into other coordinator jobs prior to their contract being up.


I'm sticking with what I said before... if this is how he handles disappointing news, then I'm not so sure Schwartz is cut out for HC of the Browns.

He was never convicted of being a sexual predator. Sorry the court of public opinion don't count!

That's pretty generous.
He was the QB at the time the team won despite him.

I agree with Purp. Didn't see SS as a capable starter QB. We carried him and overcame some poor performance mistakes . Don't exaggerate his performance quality. Just need to see improvement in basic play. I have seen what we have there; best I can manage is to label him as a project at best. You are choosing to give him more credit than earned. We need a starter.

I'm not foolish enough to believe that 26 women are lying and somehow watson is the beacon of truth. If you are have at it. 26 to 1 are the actual numbers and not an opinion.

Of course that's what the stat sheet would say. Diam always said "stats are for losers". I won't go that far but I will say that they can and often times are very deceptive.

In the December 28th game against Pittsburgh Sanders threw for total of 186 yards having thrown 1 td. and 2 int's. while the Browns scored a total of 13 points. He had a QBR of 36.2.

In the last game of the season the Browns scored a total of 20 points. Devin Bush returned a tipped interception 97 yards, and Sam Webb scored on a 47-yard fumble return. 14 out of the 20 points scored by the Browns were done so by the defense.

Sanders threw for 11-22 for total of 111 yards in tat game.

So you can write that down on paper any way you choose to. That doesn't change the fact "He was the QB at the time the team won despite him."

And that's fine. I have no idea how any of this was handled or mishandled behind closed doors. That's why I'm not just going to write it off as "how he handles disappointing news". I don't know enough about how it was handled to assign blame.

I still do not see a conviction.

And O.J. didn't murder anyone either. But after reading your posts for so many years I will certainly concede there are certainly a lot of things that you either can't, don't or won't see.

I choose to believe the law that states innocent until proven guilty and you choose the court of public opinion.

There were 26 women accusing him. Most all of the M.O. was the same. I believe the women. Somehow you claim those women are "public opinion". They are not.

You either believe all of those women were lying and watson is the only one telling the truth or you don't. You do and I don't. There's no "public opinion" involved in any of that.

To call a man that was not convicted of a crime a sexual predator is finding guilt thru public opinion and not based in facts. That is like me calling Bill Clinton a sexual predator. He probably is but he has yet to be found guilty of a crime, so I am not basing my opinion on fact just my opinion from what I heard in public.

What part of believing the word of 26 women over 1 man are you having trouble wrapping your mind around? That has nothing to do with "public opinion". Let me know when 26 women are accusing Bill Clinton of sexual abuse/assault and I will believe them too.

The fact is I believe at least some of those 26 women and the fact is you have chosen instead to believe watson. This is really quite simple.

There is only one person who heard all the details and allegations....


In her August 2022 ruling, former federal judge Sue L. Robinson, acting as the joint NFL and NFLPA disciplinary officer, described Deshaun Watson’s actions as “egregious” and “predatory”. Robinson found that Watson violated the NFL's personal conduct policy by engaging in sexual assault during massage therapy sessions.

It's really really simple if you pay attention.

Njoku bids Browns fans adieu.