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His contract is about as close to untgradable as there is.

I do think Berry will be able to keep the cupboard stocked on the defensive side. He's shown that he can find starters well past the first round and his FA signings are generally good.

What I question is his ability to build the O. There are serious issues with most offensive draft picks (and many FAs) that he's brought in on that side of the ball.

In AB's defense he didn't have those 3 #1 picks. If he did the O might be better right now.

Which brings up another question. If in fact getting watson was something Haslam insisted on, why did AB get a free pass for a terrible roster but Stefanski didn't get a free pass for not winning many games with that same terrible roster? None of that makes any sense.

Which leads me to believe something else was going on behind the scenes. I like KS but I think, IMO, there was a problem on his part with accountability and maybe discipline.

Once again, the results of both, which are the jobs they get paid to do, yielded very similar, poor results. I know we all have "thoughts, feelings and beliefs" about things that may or may not have went on behind the scenes but there is zero evidence to substantiate any of that.

Bottom line. Both had poor results. One was given a free pass and was was sent packing. I understand that people have to search for anything they can grab hold of to make that make sense. Otherwise it would make no sense at all. Which seems to be a pattern we've been witnessing for many years now.

Maybe "the deal" was KS deliver on offense while Berry builds the D (at the time of the Watson trade, our D was abysmal).

From that angle, Berry upheld his part while KS epically failed.

You mean deliver as the OL aged out with no legit #1 WR and no legitimate QB. Unless you think Stefanski "untaught" watson how to play QB?

I do think thatvthe overal lack of all discipline by the offense was largely attributable to Stefanski. Penalties were out of control on an offense that could not afford then at all.

In 2025 the Browns ranked 17th in penalties committed. Middle of the pack. Quite an improvement over 2024 where they ranked 24th.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game

Sometimes our perception of a situation isn't the reality of it.

I am pretty sure the Browns lead the league in pre snap penalties committed. If not, they were leading late in the season. That is a discipline issue and not a talent issue.

The Browns were 5th in offensive penalties committed, 6th in yards cost in offensive penalties. (9th in pre-snap)

They committed the 5th fewest defensive penalties, and 5th fewest defeensive penalty yards.

Offensive, Defensive, and Special Teams Penalties - 2025 - View By Total - NFL Penalty Stats Tracker - Data From 2009-2025
https://www.nflpenalties.com/phase.php?year=2025&view=total

The team playing a bunch of rookies, including a couple rookie QBs (after different QBs starting most of camp,) and a ton of OL combinations had a lot of penalties on offense? Go figure.

I mostly ignore penalty stats.

How many penalties were declined? How many penalties were off-setting? How many penalties resulted in giving up a 1st down? How many gave up a 1st down from a 3rd down play keeping the defense on the field? How many penalties negated a great run or pass? How many penalties left a bad offense with 20 yards to gain a 1st down? How many timeouts did we burn to avoid a delay of game penalty?

We were a sloppy, seemingly-undisciplined team under KS...no matter what the stats say.

He has a huge arm. Can make all the throw's, Int's were his biggest problem last year in college.

For me, it'll be all about taking low-risk swings at draft picks (i don't even want to start considering a qb until 3rd round or later) and FAs. The name of the game this offseason is building back as much supporting cast we can.

If Nussmeier drops then I'm a fan.

100% in this camp.

With the hire of Monken, Carson Beck might be a guy to watch. Both had a lot of success when both were at Georgia.

Beck might be a 3-4 round target. Not sure were he might be valued but if Monken thinks Beck is a potential good fit, we might draft him.

I won't address the probability of that happening but you are certainly correct that is a strong possibility.

Well if it matters..Nussmeier won the MVP in the Senior Bowl today. Doubt he makes it to the 2nd round in this qb needy draft. Someone will probably move back into the late first for him like the Giants did last year to get ahead of us while we watch him go elsewhere. Like the Jets...

I don't know how they rate this draft class but I think everyone would agree that next years draft class is much, much stronger. I'm no QB guru. I don't think anyone on a message board is. And no, I'm not directing that towards you because you have never claimed to be one.

But what I don't want to see is this FO and coaching staff reach for a QB this year high enough in the draft that they blow the opportunity to draft a better QB with better odds of success next year. The old, "Well we need to give him a couple of years to see if he develops". That's what has gotten us to where we are now.

Because the math would seem rather odd if they did both draft a QB this year and turn right around and draft a QB in the first round next year.

That would mean they drafted 2 QB's in the 2025 draft. 1 QB in the 2026 draft and yet another QB in the 2027 draft.

We need a lot of help at other positions and that just seems like a lot of draft capital to expend at one position considering the circumstances. Even if that position happens to be QB.

It seems much more logical to me to trade down at #6 to set them up with an additional first round pick next year and a lower first round pick this year.

I know we're all desperate to get an actual franchise QB here. But often times, as we've seen, desperation can lead to terrible choices being made. That's my fear in all of this.

I won't say that I don't understand the point you are making because I certainly do.


But for me, while I get it, I see that as a very short sighted way of looking at it. That's looking at this upcoming draft alone without taking next years draft into consideration. That's what I've referred to many times as looking at things through a microscope rather than a telescope.

My hope is that they take this approach even if Simpson is a better prospect than Sanders in their eyes..........

How many QB's do we see in next years draft we think will be an even better prospect than Simpson?

At first glance I see at least four of them and possibly up to six of them.

But I agree with you that you have to find a trade partner to get that extra pick in the first round next year. You can't just make a wish and it comes true. So there will be variables come draft day. If they can't find a trade partner your scenario would seem more palatable to me.

As if I have any say in the matter.

We simply disagree. If you want another HOF QB in a Browns jersey, wait and draft a QB who has the highest potential to achieve that.

A bird in the hand is great in theory. But not so much of it turns out to be a Buzzard. I think where we disagree is I want them to have the best odds of getting it right. That's where just taking the bird in the hand may not align with giving you the best advantage in accomplishing that.

Don't you mean "if" he turns out to be a franchise QB"? I mean let's face it, people believe in some strange $#!+.

Like Johnny Football, Brady Quinn, Braylon Edwards and Corry Coleman. Belief in and of itself doesn't seem like quite enough.