This reinforces what I was thinking all along about the receivers.
None are really top ten worthy. Tyson has the best skills.
I think the tackles are similar. No top ten guy.
Trade down is the best play. If Love is not taken before we pick. Some team may want to move up for him.
There are solid prospects in this draft. However, IMO I don't see a player in the draft that I would put into a can't miss category. Myles and Joe were the best of their class.
Andrew Luck and Calvin Johnson are guys you would look at as number one picks.
There are first rounders and guys who could be very good. But this looks like a trade down draft IMO.
Based on analysis from NFL Films senior producer Greg Cosell, Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders is considered a top-tier prospect with projections placing him as a late first-round or early second-round pick in the 2025 NFL Draft.
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This reinforces what I was thinking all along about the receivers.
None are really top ten worthy. Tyson has the best skills.
I think the tackles are similar. No top ten guy.
Trade down is the best play. If Love is not taken before we pick. Some team may want to move up for him.
There are solid prospects in this draft. However, IMO I don't see a player in the draft that I would put into a can't miss category. Myles and Joe were the best of their class.
Andrew Luck and Calvin Johnson are guys you would look at as number one picks.
There are first rounders and guys who could be very good. But this looks like a trade down draft IMO.
I agree with this take completely, except about the top ten pick WR... Top ten pick refers to the class, not the player. In the case of the 2026 draft, there is only 1 true top ten pick and it's because he is a QB. The position raises him to that status. Every other player in this draft has question marks. I don't see a guy that is expected to be a future hall of famer. So, the definition of top ten pick changes. Any given draft, you have WRs that don't add up to a Ja'Marr Chase, but they are still better than players at other positions, so they are a top ten talent, for that draft.
I would love to trade down, but we have to be ready in case there isn't a team willing to trade up. It's a real possibility. If Carnell Tate was a Ja'Marr Chase, I would be pounding my fist to say, we can't trade down. We can't miss out on this guy. At the same time, if we don't have a responsible trade offer, we still need to take one of the best players in this draft and that is Carnell Tate.
Go back to what this guy said about Tate...He would be a "S" grade if it wasn't for his combine... That is where he lost credibility for me. Look at the top WRs in the league, most of them don't run a 4.3 or even a 4.4. Ability out lasts speed at the next level. Tate's skill set is top tier.
Based on analysis from NFL Films senior producer Greg Cosell, Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders is considered a top-tier prospect with projections placing him as a late first-round or early second-round pick in the 2025 NFL Draft.
And there ya go. Experts aren’t as plentiful as many think. Anyone can take a huge “swing and a miss.”
Based on analysis from NFL Films senior producer Greg Cosell, Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders is considered a top-tier prospect with projections placing him as a late first-round or early second-round pick in the 2025 NFL Draft.
And there ya go. Experts aren’t as plentiful as many think. Anyone can take a huge “swing and a miss.”
And that was pretty much my train of thought here. There have been several of these self proclaimed experts/draft gurus that make many predictions. Some are way off base and their accuracy is most certainly in question.
I mean all anyone has to do is think about for a second. We see NFL GM's miss on draft picks all the time. And these guys aren't even good enough to get an NFL GM job. So at that juncture how seriously should we take them?
Mike Mayock is the only such "draft guru" I can think of who landed an NFL GM job. He served as the Raiders GM from 2019 through the 2021 season. There is a reason he only lasted for three years on the job and many think he held the job for too long.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Based on analysis from NFL Films senior producer Greg Cosell, Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders is considered a top-tier prospect with projections placing him as a late first-round or early second-round pick in the 2025 NFL Draft.
And there ya go. Experts aren’t as plentiful as many think. Anyone can take a huge “swing and a miss.”
And that was pretty much my train of thought here. There have been several of these self proclaimed experts/draft gurus that make many predictions. Some are way off base and their accuracy is most certainly in question.
I mean all anyone has to do is think about for a second. We see NFL GM's miss on draft picks all the time. And these guys aren't even good enough to get an NFL GM job. So at that juncture how seriously should we take them?
Mike Mayock is the only such "draft guru" I can think of who landed an NFL GM job. He served as the Raiders GM from 2019 through the 2021 season. There is a reason he only lasted for three years on the job and many think he held the job for too long.
Thank you, I have been saying the same thing about these media "experts" for decades. If they are so good, why is no NFL team hiring them? I always thought they were information gatherers, not evaluators. I think they speak with NFL GMs for inside info and make their "guesses". It makes me wonder if some of these GMs might have started feeding bad/false info to throw the experts off their true intentions.
It seems we can get a solid productive WR in the later rounds. We should take one high and another one later IMO. That would really improve our WR room. Signing a vet that may get cut is also another possibility but again I would draft a couple of them.
And to think that most of those "experts" know more about the prospects than do the vast majority of fans.
As they should. They actually get paid to do this for a living. They have resources most fans don't. It still doesn't change anything in regards to how inaccurate they often times are and that they do not have the resources or qualifications that those working in the NFL do. If they were as good as NFL GM's they would be an NFL GM.
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If the Browns cannot find a team to trade down with.
IMO they should draft the best receiver on their Board.
I'm in general agreement with you but looking at it from the opposite viewpoint. Select Tate at #6 if he's available; if not, then trade down if possible. I would double up at WR at #24 with Boston, then pick best OG (Pregnon, Bisontis) in Rd 2, OC )Hecht) in Rd #3, and a steal in Rd 4 (Bowry). Should all come together, we would have resolved both the WR and OLine rooms.
If none of the options at #6 above fall into place, then take the best CB at #6 which is another need or us.
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The only WR I would consider at #6 is Tate. As far as the rest of your draft you are only addressing the interior OL. That was already addressed to some degree in free agency. It looks like a combination draft and free agency of four G's, a C and no help at the OT positions. Yeah, no. There's no way I'm on board with that.
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Jude Bowry is an OT. We have DJ at LT currently and have lost 2 OG' and our starting OC. We need help all along the line and this should fill the holes, at least for now. As I said in another post, this was revealed to me by the guy who was teleported into the Waffle House....lol
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I think if the Browns draft in the 1st round by team needs Carnell Tate is the only prospect at WR or LT that is worthy of the #6 pick. Every other WR or Left Tackle prospect would be somewhat of a reach at #6. New Orleans at #8 is the first team that may make a slight trade up to #6 if David Baily is still there at #6 but those 2 spots in this draft will probably only net the Browns a 4th round pick at most. Then it would be the Cowboys, Rams, and Buccaneers that may want to trade up for a top defensive player like Reese, Bailey, Styles, Bain, or Downs that would still be available at #6 but certainly would not be available at 12, 13, or 15. I don't think in this year's draft that 12, 13, or 15 would net the Browns a 2027 1st round pick. What it would secure is another 2nd in this draft and that is where the true quality can be found. At 12, 13, or 15 the Browns could then draft either Fano, Freeling, Lomu, Tyson, or Lemon at that spot. Then at 24 they could take either Proctor, Boston or if they really get lucky one of the first group could still fall to 24. Then at 39 and either 46 or 61 take sure up the defense with players like R Mason Thomas or D'Angelo Ponds, or continue with lineman or Receivers with Conception, Cooper, Bernard, Brazell, Fields, Pregnon, or Bisontis.
In this draft I would want the Browns to get a 2nd, 2nd round pick like they did last year. There will be some really nice players available in the 2nd. I don't see much of a drop off between the #24 pick and the #39 pick this year. The top end talent is all defense and the Notre Dame RB. So, trade down if possible and especially if Tate is gone. He is only player of need that I like at #6.
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There are a lot of people who have Jordyn Tyson as the best/most talented WR in this draft if not for the injuries. And certainly those injuries play a role but I think many are in alignment that the ceiling is there for him being a # WR1 in the NFL if he can stay healthy.
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I think if the Browns draft in the 1st round by team needs Carnell Tate is the only prospect at WR or LT that is worthy of the #6 pick. Every other WR or Left Tackle prospect would be somewhat of a reach at #6. New Orleans at #8 is the first team that may make a slight trade up to #6 if David Baily is still there at #6 but those 2 spots in this draft will probably only net the Browns a 4th round pick at most. Then it would be the Cowboys, Rams, and Buccaneers that may want to trade up for a top defensive player like Reese, Bailey, Styles, Bain, or Downs that would still be available at #6 but certainly would not be available at 12, 13, or 15. I don't think in this year's draft that 12, 13, or 15 would net the Browns a 2027 1st round pick. What it would secure is another 2nd in this draft and that is where the true quality can be found. At 12, 13, or 15 the Browns could then draft either Fano, Freeling, Lomu, Tyson, or Lemon at that spot. Then at 24 they could take either Proctor, Boston or if they really get lucky one of the first group could still fall to 24. Then at 39 and either 46 or 61 take sure up the defense with players like R Mason Thomas or D'Angelo Ponds, or continue with lineman or Receivers with Conception, Cooper, Bernard, Brazell, Fields, Pregnon, or Bisontis.
In this draft I would want the Browns to get a 2nd, 2nd round pick like they did last year. There will be some really nice players available in the 2nd. I don't see much of a drop off between the #24 pick and the #39 pick this year. The top end talent is all defense and the Notre Dame RB. So, trade down if possible and especially if Tate is gone. He is only player of need that I like at #6.
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
jc:
There are a lot of people who have Jordyn Tyson as the best/most talented WR in this draft if not for the injuries. And certainly those injuries play a role but I think many are in alignment that the ceiling is there for him being a # WR1 in the NFL if he can stay healthy.
If we are going off of need, then it is definitely WR and LT, I agree 100%. There is no easier way to improve this roster than finding really good replacements at those positions.. Reality is, we could use TWO at WR. Like Day of the Dawg states above though others would be a reach at #6, I caution everyone on what it means to "upgrade" the positions.
At WR, I think there are (4) guys that would elevate the roster with NFL starter ready skills, Carnell Tate and Denzel Boston have similar skill sets, with Tate being ahead of Boston imo. Then you have Makai Lemon who I believe will be a stud in the slot at the next level. I think he is valued at the #6 overall level if Tate were to be taken before us. Then as Memphis said, Jordyn Tyson has the ability to be the best of the best in this deep WR class. My caution on him is availability, which he hasn't had in any of his 4 years in college. He has missed time in all 4 years. The injury history makes me not like him at #6, but LOVE him at #24.
At LT, this is where it gets real icky for me... The talent level just isn't there for Monroe Freeling at #6. He enters the picture at #24 for me. Kadyn Proctor is a better player than Freeling on film. He still isn't better than at least 20 other players in this draft, which is why I wouldn't take him at #6, but I LOVE him at #24, I just don't think he will be there. If we want to get the answer at LT in this draft, Proctor is the better option imho, but may need to trade up from #24 a few spots to get him. I don't know that he is the answer, but he is a lot closer than Freeling in my opinion, based on tape. Especially if we are talking run blocking. They are both fairly proficient in pass blocking, but Proctor has clearly better skills in the run game. Freeling will come into the league as a liability in the run game.
Again, I don't hate trade down here, I simply don't know that we will get the value needed to do it. I'm not trading out of #6 overall for anything less than a second round pick.
His actual grade on Proctor was second round because of inconsistent film. At the same time he said his size and athleticism is crazy good. He also went into his character with verification from direct coaching contacts that he is a hard worker who wants to be great.
That means a lot. Willis was a failure because he was deft to coaching. The OL is about guys who will develop and get stronger.
Proctor has the clay to mold.
Injury history is a hard read. In football players get hurt. It is random and unpredictable. Unless a player has a chronic condition that means injury will repeat.
If Tyson carries the highest grade and is healthy now and he is your highest ranked receiver. Draft him.
I think if the Browns draft in the 1st round by team needs Carnell Tate is the only prospect at WR or LT that is worthy of the #6 pick. Every other WR or Left Tackle prospect would be somewhat of a reach at #6. New Orleans at #8 is the first team that may make a slight trade up to #6 if David Baily is still there at #6 but those 2 spots in this draft will probably only net the Browns a 4th round pick at most. Then it would be the Cowboys, Rams, and Buccaneers that may want to trade up for a top defensive player like Reese, Bailey, Styles, Bain, or Downs that would still be available at #6 but certainly would not be available at 12, 13, or 15. I don't think in this year's draft that 12, 13, or 15 would net the Browns a 2027 1st round pick. What it would secure is another 2nd in this draft and that is where the true quality can be found. At 12, 13, or 15 the Browns could then draft either Fano, Freeling, Lomu, Tyson, or Lemon at that spot. Then at 24 they could take either Proctor, Boston or if they really get lucky one of the first group could still fall to 24. Then at 39 and either 46 or 61 take sure up the defense with players like R Mason Thomas or D'Angelo Ponds, or continue with lineman or Receivers with Conception, Cooper, Bernard, Brazell, Fields, Pregnon, or Bisontis.
In this draft I would want the Browns to get a 2nd, 2nd round pick like they did last year. There will be some really nice players available in the 2nd. I don't see much of a drop off between the #24 pick and the #39 pick this year. The top end talent is all defense and the Notre Dame RB. So, trade down if possible and especially if Tate is gone. He is only player of need that I like at #6.
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
jc:
There are a lot of people who have Jordyn Tyson as the best/most talented WR in this draft if not for the injuries. And certainly those injuries play a role but I think many are in alignment that the ceiling is there for him being a # WR1 in the NFL if he can stay healthy.
If we are going off of need, then it is definitely WR and LT, I agree 100%. There is no easier way to improve this roster than finding really good replacements at those positions.. Reality is, we could use TWO at WR. Like Day of the Dawg states above though others would be a reach at #6, I caution everyone on what it means to "upgrade" the positions.
At WR, I think there are (4) guys that would elevate the roster with NFL starter ready skills, Carnell Tate and Denzel Boston have similar skill sets, with Tate being ahead of Boston imo. Then you have Makai Lemon who I believe will be a stud in the slot at the next level. I think he is valued at the #6 overall level if Tate were to be taken before us. Then as Memphis said, Jordyn Tyson has the ability to be the best of the best in this deep WR class. My caution on him is availability, which he hasn't had in any of his 4 years in college. He has missed time in all 4 years. The injury history makes me not like him at #6, but LOVE him at #24.
At LT, this is where it gets real icky for me... The talent level just isn't there for Monroe Freeling at #6. He enters the picture at #24 for me. Kadyn Proctor is a better player than Freeling on film. He still isn't better than at least 20 other players in this draft, which is why I wouldn't take him at #6, but I LOVE him at #24, I just don't think he will be there. If we want to get the answer at LT in this draft, Proctor is the better option imho, but may need to trade up from #24 a few spots to get him. I don't know that he is the answer, but he is a lot closer than Freeling in my opinion, based on tape. Especially if we are talking run blocking. They are both fairly proficient in pass blocking, but Proctor has clearly better skills in the run game. Freeling will come into the league as a liability in the run game.
Again, I don't hate trade down here, I simply don't know that we will get the value needed to do it. I'm not trading out of #6 overall for anything less than a second round pick.
I think I've firmed up my opinion that, assuming we stay at 6 and 24, I'd prefer to use 24 on a OT than 6. As much trading up/down I think could still happen for OL in the first round, I think a OT would still be there for us at 24. I think a key selection in the first round will be what Detroit does as I have them pegged to select a OT.
In the worst case scenario that we don't get a potential starter in the draft, there is still Dawand Jones and OTs in the FA market that can be had as a bridge (thinking Taylor Decker here or similar.)
At WR, Tate continues to grow on me and I am not concerned with the lack of speed everyone is talking about. There are other ways to create separation- crisp route running, body control, size/frame, QB ball placement that can achieve that.
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... Willis was a failure because he was deft to coaching. The OL is about guys who will develop and get stronger.
This is an oft-repeated statement on here. Do we KNOW that that's actually true? For example, we say the same thing about Manziel, but he had the story about zero playbook hours/minutes. I don't recall hearing anything even remotely similar with Wills. The closest thing (that I remember) was a mini injury controversy where folks felt he was holding himself out and using injury as an excuse.
Jed Wills happened to be on the Browns when the best OLine coach of the past 20+ years was employed. If he couldn’t develop with Bill Callahan, he isn’t developing.
At WR, Tate continues to grow on me and I am not concerned with the lack of speed everyone is talking about. There are other ways to create separation- crisp route running, body control, size/frame, QB ball placement that can achieve that.
I'd be very happy with Tate. I don't think it's a great comp - but when you talk about creating separation and getting open without the element of pure speed or even shiftiness - I always think of Anquan Boldin. He just had a knack. And he always caught the ball. There's definitely a lot more to getting open than a 40 time.
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They only take the evaluation as far as Cleveland needs a OT.. they don’t take into account it is a LEFT OT and Fano is a right tackle in the NFL… it’s lazy reporting
They only take the evaluation as far as Cleveland needs a OT.. they don’t take into account it is a LEFT OT and Fano is a right tackle in the NFL… it’s lazy reporting
I think if we found a true #1 at WR, it would benefit Jeudy, Tillman if he could stay healthy, and Bond.
Let’s not forget the atrocious OL and QB play we’ve had the past couple of years. I KNOW we’ll have a better offensive unit because it can’t get worse.
They only take the evaluation as far as Cleveland needs a OT.. they don’t take into account it is a LEFT OT and Fano is a right tackle in the NFL… it’s lazy reporting
The Athletic is actually saying that both Fano and Mauigoa are both athletic and fast enough to potentially play either Tackle position and suggesting both are good enough to start day 1. That is based on articles written by Nick Baumgardner - Dan Brugler has not yet released his massive draft analysis.
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They only take the evaluation as far as Cleveland needs a OT.. they don’t take into account it is a LEFT OT and Fano is a right tackle in the NFL… it’s lazy reporting
I don't see it as lazy reporting. From what I've seen/read, many of these people think he can go back to playing LT as he did in his first year. Whether or not they are correct is another story.
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It's so frustrating to write a complete post, then the site times out and you lose your thoughts to cyberspace...
Originally Posted by mgh888
Originally Posted by IrishDawg42
They only take the evaluation as far as Cleveland needs a OT.. they don’t take into account it is a LEFT OT and Fano is a right tackle in the NFL… it’s lazy reporting
The Athletic is actually saying that both Fano and Mauigoa are both athletic and fast enough to potentially play either Tackle position and suggesting both are good enough to start day 1. That is based on articles written by Nick Baumgardner - Dan Brugler has not yet released his massive draft analysis.
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted by IrishDawg42
They only take the evaluation as far as Cleveland needs a OT.. they don’t take into account it is a LEFT OT and Fano is a right tackle in the NFL… it’s lazy reporting
I don't see it as lazy reporting. From what I've seen/read, many of these people think he can go back to playing LT as he did in his first year. Whether or not they are correct is another story.
It just isn't historically probable. If they did their research, they would know that.
Spencer Fano has 32 1/8" arm length. There are very few successful left tackles in history that have had arms under 33" long. Joe Thomas was criticized for having 33 1/2" arms, but was able to overcome that. I won't pretend to be an expert on the subject, but the shorter your arms, the longer it takes to get into the chest pads, which effects the hand to feet balance. This really plays a part in elite speed pass rushers. They struggle at the next level and nearly always end up inside where that arm length is much less of an issue because they are dealing with bull rushers instead. Texas Tech, who was the best defense Utah faced in 2025, forced a lot of pressure that led to 1 sack and 1 INT, along with allowing a fumble in the back field. That is the kind of defense that Fano will be facing in the NFL, not the UCLA's of the world. They destroyed almost everyone on their schedule, which ironically all had bad defenses, but lost to the one team that had a Top 10 defense badly 34-10.
Francis Mauigoa has had known issues dealing with elite speed pass rushers in college. He excels against rushers that come straight at him. In the NFL, he will be subject to more elite speed rushers on a weekly basis that will highlight those issues. His strengths are against strong straight ahead rushers, which is why most scouts project him to be an All Pro Guard in the NFL. All I can say is if we draft him at #6 overall, I would rather have an All Pro Guard than a mediocre Left Tackle that struggles against the likes of Maxx Crosby and Jonathan Cooper. If he really does struggle, I could see the Steelers stunting TJ Watt to his side to take advantage.
Is Carnel Tate worthy of the #6 Pick? I would say yes!
A five-star recruit out of Chicago and IMG Academy, Tate became a key playmaker for Ohio State, contributing to a national championship run in 2024 and establishing himself as a top prospect for the 2026 NFL draft.
Early Life and High School Born: Chicago, Illinois, on January 19, 2005. High School: Attended Marist High School in Chicago for his freshman and sophomore years, catching 28 passes for 444 yards as a freshman. IMG Academy: Transferred to IMG Academy in Bradenton, Florida, for his junior and senior years to prepare for college football. Recruiting: A five-star prospect, he was ranked as the No. 22 prospect nationally at the end of the recruiting cycle and received 37 scholarship offers.
College Career (Ohio State) 2023 (Freshman): Played in all 13 games, catching 18 passes for 264 yards and one touchdown. 2024 (Sophomore): Started for the Buckeyes, contributing significantly with 52 receptions for 733 yards and 4 touchdowns, including a big performance in the Cotton Bowl. 2025 (Junior): Returned as a starter, finishing with 51 receptions for 875 yards and 9 touchdowns, earning second-team All-American honors. Draft: Declared for the 2026 NFL draft on January 6, 2026, finishing his Ohio State career with 121 receptions for 1,872 yards and 14 touchdowns.
Personal Life Tate was raised by his mother, Ashley Griggs, in Chicago. In July 2023, his mother was tragically killed in a drive-by shooting in Chicago. Tate frequently honors his mother with a "blowing a kiss" celebration after touchdowns. He is majoring in sports industry at Ohio State and has earned academic honors, including Academic All-Big Ten and Big Ten Distinguished Scholar. Wikipedia Wikipedia
Playing Style Regarded as a technically precise, "polished" receiver with good body control and a large catch radius. Known as a strong deep threat and a reliable route runner, frequently creating big plays (11 receptions of 30+ yards in 2025).
JOHN 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the [only] Way [to God] and the [real] Truth and the [real] Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."
That’s who I want at 6. Trade downs can certainly be beneficial but if we’re picking a player at 6, he’s the guy I’d go to. Going by what I’ve read, we can get an OT guy later in the first. But I’m just a guy.
I am in no way a talent evaluator. I tend to read draft profiles, mocks and as much other info I can find.
I read an interesting list of WRs draft profiles put out by CBS sports. It lists Tate as it's #4 WR prospect. I think even more surprising to me was Concepcion listed as #1.
I am not trying to be funny here, but wouldn't the most important trait of a WR be hands, even more so than speed? Because listed among Concepcion's weaknesses is drop rate, which is not good at all.
Nothing drives me more nuts than WRs with all the measurables in the world, but his hands are questionable, yet they get drafted high. If the point is to catch the ball, how can "bad hands" keep you at the top of the list?
I agree with all of you. Concepcion has a CAREER drop rate just over 10%, 100 balls... at least 10 drops. Let's not go down this rabbit hole. "He COULD work his way out of this issue".. Let someone else help him work out of that issue.
Drops aren't just 10 balls not caught. In many cases it leads to INTs. Tip drill was one of my favorites in high school.
I agree. If your job description is catching the football and you've played the game for several years and still can't catch the football, you're a project and not a WR.
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Possibly AI? Like over-weighing Combine speed, route running, or other lesser skills. Really not curious about if we can develop "promise." Catch the ball & score the ball. "Simplify, simplify." We have played to our weakness by relying on the passing game way too much way too often. Some Buckeyes might help us. But if you don't catch, then you shouldn't play.
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Agreed. We've made that mistake before with a few WR's we drafted. Please FO don't draft another one that has drop issues. There are too many good ones in this draft that can catch.
That was Hue when he found our next, next, next great QB.
"The guy has had a tremendous career,'' said Jackson, defending what seemed like a questionable pick. "I understand where everyone's coming from. But Cody Kessler is the guy for us.''
I agree. Remember Montario Hardesty? Lee Suggs? Courtney Brown? Our medical staff at that time cleared those players too and I'm sure there were a couple more. Stay away from injury prone players. WE have to make our picks count. JMO
That's fine. That's what our medical staffs said at the time about Montario Hardesty, Lee Suggs and Courtney Brown too. They usually always get well before they go out on the field and get injured again.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
There are always exceptions to the rule which enables people to determine they should ignore the rule. Odds should give people a clue what the rule really is.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
ACL injury was linked to a successive injury of the same ACL, and other injuries in the LE. HS was associated with subsequent ipsilateral HS and knee injuries. Previous achilles tendon rupture increased the risk of an analogous injury on the contralateral side. An ankle sprain was associated with a re‐injury of either the ipsilateral or the contralateral ankle. Post‐injury changes were present in strength. proprioception, and kinematics, which may have led to overall changes in motor control and function.
Conclusion:
This review provides insight into the changes occurring following common LE injuries, how these changes potentially affect risk for future injury, and address the needs of the active adult population in rehabilitation.
And Tyson's knee injury wasn't your every day, run of the mill ACL tear......
Jordyn Tyson (Arizona State, 2026 Draft Class): Identified as having elite potential but significant injury history, including an ACL/MCL/PCL tear in 2022–2023, causing him to miss time before entering the 2026 draft pool
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
There are always exceptions to the rule which enables people to determine they should ignore the rule. Odds should give people a clue what the rule really is.
Frank Gore, Adrian Peterson, Willis McGahee, Dalvin Cook, Nick Chubb, Rob Gronkowski, Todd Gurley, Carson Palmer,
Not sayng it is the norm for these players to succeed nor am I saying it's a good idea to ignore injury history My personal preference is avoiding these players high and taking a risk in later rounds Just emphasizing the need to weigh risk/reward on an individual basis
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Chubb has only played one season since recovering from his injury.
I provided you with the scientific evidence that an ACL injury creates a higher likelihood for another one. And in this case it was more than an ACL and in fact was a compound knee injury. I don't know what more anyone could do to convince you that such an injury history should cause you to proceed with extreme caution. And that simply seeing that the injury has healed and you're healthy to play now has no bearing on this.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Chubb has only played one season since recovering from his injury.
I provided you with the scientific evidence that an ACL injury creates a higher likelihood for another one. And in this case it was more than an ACL and in fact was a compound knee injury. I don't know what more anyone could do to convince you that such an injury history should cause you to proceed with extreme caution. And that simply seeing that the injury has healed and you're healthy to play now has no bearing on this.
I think he was talking about Chubb’s college injuries. He had a great career despite the college knee issue.
That said, when given two choices, if one already has a history, I would take the other one every time.
Chubb has only played one season since recovering from his injury.
I provided you with the scientific evidence that an ACL injury creates a higher likelihood for another one. And in this case it was more than an ACL and in fact was a compound knee injury. I don't know what more anyone could do to convince you that such an injury history should cause you to proceed with extreme caution. And that simply seeing that the injury has healed and you're healthy to play now has no bearing on this.
I think he was talking about Chubb’s college injuries. He had a great career despite the college knee issue.
That said, when given two choices, if one already has a history, I would take the other one every time.
Exactly And agree
Is buttcheeks one word? Or should I spread them apart?
I know comprehension is not your strong suit so I'll try to esplain it to you in simpler terms.
A lot of young guys do stupid things. A lot of them make mistakes. There was no violence involved. There were no lives at risk by anything he did. He simply, "Didn't move and stand where I told him to!" You could attribute that to him being young or you could attribute that to a cop being on a power trip. Maybe a little of both. Close call.
I know some people are on that whole "If a cop tells you to do something you just do it! No questions just comply!"
Point being in the grand scheme of things it's a rather minor incident. Did that help or do you want to post yet another meme?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
One of my favorite WRs in this draft is Alabama WR Germie Bernard. He would be a great get in the 2nd round at #39. I do not see Bernard as a #1 type WR so I would like to pair him with say Ohio WR Carnell Tate at #6. A Tate/Bernard duo could be a really nice WR duo for years to come. Both are solid receivers that are good route runners. Tate is a much better 50/50 ball receiver and Bernard is a strong run after catch player. Both know how to get open and neither player is a Primadonna of a WR. Jeudy can continue to work in tandem with the rookies until they are ready to replace him.
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I agree. Remember Montario Hardesty? Lee Suggs? Courtney Brown? Our medical staff at that time cleared those players too and I'm sure there were a couple more. Stay away from injury prone players. WE have to make our picks count. JMO
I get the point you are making Home. Medicals are important.
About your examples: none of the current draft class was born when C. Brown was drafted except for maybe the Hawai'i kicker who is 27. Suggs was drafted in 2003 and Hardesty was drafted in 2010.
I am sure there are more current examples, just thought it was funny of the three picked. Haha
I can get on board with the medicals, but the history is still there to make me hesitant. I would be ok drafting him if he is medically clear to play TODAY, but not at 6. I need more reassurance than today's medical report.
But if they took Tyson I would be ok because they know if there is risk or not.
People heal from injuries. Being healthy "today" doesn't change the fact, as I have shown, that having one major knee injury makes you more "at risk" to have a second one.
The evidence is clear and irrefutable on that. I'm not sure what part of that people are missing.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Bone I usually agree with most of your takes on this board but this time I have a small disagreement. My contention on this topic of injuries is that if a college player has already had injuries the chances are very high that he will have them in the NFL simply because the players are bigger, faster and stronger. There are exceptions to the rule but in this case I feel strong in my opinion.
If the Browns draft Tyson then they feel he is worth whatever is the risk.
I don't think you or I are doctors.
I know I'm not. That's why I posted the evidence from those who have studied the statistics and are qualified to do so.
What doctors can do is look at how healthy he is now. They can't predict the future. Statistical studies can show the likelihood of repeat injuries..........................
Yes, having an anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury significantly increases the risk of a second ACL injury, either to the same knee (graft rupture) or the opposite knee (contralateral tear)
Now that is the risk for a standard ACL tear. Here is the actual extent of the injury Tyson sustained............
Jordyn Tyson suffered a very severe multi-ligament knee injury to his left knee in 2022 while at Colorado, which included a torn ACL (anterior cruciate ligament), MCL (medial collateral ligament), and PCL (posterior cruciate ligament).
I get it. For some reason you think the Browns medical staff can predict the future and that even these proven facts mean nothing. I get it. And let's just forget about these injuries too....
2024: Broken collarbone (missed final two games) 2025: Hamstring strains to both legs (missed final three games)
Luckily both of those injuries came late in the season so it wasn't as devastating to his team as they very well could have been.
I'm not sure how much more clear this picture can be. I wouldn't be alright with this pick and I have all the evidence in the world as to why.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Tyson is too much of a risk for me with either one of our 1st round picks. I'm definitely in agreement with passing on him. Too many other good WRs with no injury concerns. Now if we used a 3rd round pick or higher I wouldn't have a problem, but we all know that would never happen.
This isn't something I'm predicting because drafts are far too difficult to read all of the tea leaves. But I could see a scenario where Tyson could be the third WR selected behind both Tate and Lemon due to his injury history.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Lots of teams including Cleveland were there. He was impressive.
He will be a serious consideration if the medical staff is comfortable with his injury history.
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Pete Thamel of ESPN quoted a source at the workout as saying, “He showed the twitch, explosiveness and leaping ability we all saw in the fall. He showed he’s healthy and still explosive, which is all he needed to do.”
Matt Miller of ESPN reports that Tyson ran 20-25 routes and dropped one pass. Tyson did not do any other on-field testing.
I do like Ted Hurst. I haven’t dove quite as far into him.. I haven’t found the reason he is being projected as a 3rd round pick. Anyone have any insight?
Chris Brazelle from Tennessee looks pretty good too. Definitely has the size and speed. There is an issue with concentration drops but at 6'4" 200 lbs with 4.37 speed he might be a guy to look at. I also like Ted Hurst.
Joel Klatt just put out his mock and talked about how much the Giants like TYson. He has them taking him at 10 but said don't be surprised if they take him at 5
I am not a Ted Hurst fan, I think he gets over rated Great size and speed numbers but against that competition he should have been more dominating IMO The small school guy I like better is Skyler Bell Wr UCONN
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Just leaving this here..., I like the dude's content. He suggests that WR have the best value right now for teams. Not so much this draft class but by a statistics oriented sense. WRs generally carry the most value outside of QBs... Many guys who barely touched the ball are getting large contracts etc.
Not advocating for anything here. Just thought it was informative
Joel Klatt just put out his mock and talked about how much the Giants like TYson. He has them taking him at 10 but said don't be surprised if they take him at 5
I am not a Ted Hurst fan, I think he gets over rated Great size and speed numbers but against that competition he should have been more dominating IMO The small school guy I like better is Skyler Bell Wr UCONN
NYG at #10 might be a trade option if they like Tyson that much
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