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I don’t know why the trump cult cares. The have their Electoral College bought and paid for to bail them out in presidential elections anyways.

I agree with you more than anyone on "the other side" because I think you're very fair and forthright in your answers.

I have a couple questions; I'll use an analogy first... If there are no speeding tickets written on my road, does that mean everyone is going the speed limit?

"Democrats" constantly say "no evidence of widespread voter fraud". I'm not even sure I know what that means or how it is gauged. To me, it seems like one could name incident after incident (and there are plenty) and the response would be "yeah, but that's not widespread" or "that's such a small percentage, blah, blah, blah". No evidence basically means not to many people are getting caught. And how would they? We can't expect any city to sit there and try to prove or disprove the legality of every single vote they get, can we?

So, do you think there is fraud?
Do you think minor amounts should be deemed acceptable?
Do you agree that open, unchecked, mailing of ballots would make it infinitely easier to cheat than voting in person?

Some of things seem like common sense to me. Of those things, the "other side" responds that I'm being racist or insensitive to those with hardships.

If you want to vote by mail - YOU should be responsibly to make that request. I mean, it's common knowledge that many cities solicit people to vote by mail... and refuse to purge the voter rolls of dead people. Downright refuse, with the same old line "no evidence of widespread voter fraud". They respond with vitriol when the idea of changing how they maintain the rolls is even breached. Should you be able to cast a vote by mail for Uncle Ralph? Probably not. I think sending out thousands, millions of ballots to people that never asking for them is INSANE.

I am 100% against of millions of ballots being sent out across the nation with absolutely no way to judge their validity. Your ballot should be pre-addressed with your name, and you should be on a list of someone that requested that ballot.

I don't think that's asking too much... or "racist".

Please understand. I'm not of the opinion that this is widespread. I think there are many safeguards in place. I just don't understand why some simple, common-sense measures are met with complete animosity.

Genuinely curious in your opinion.

So your reply is, "Okay, so we have no evidence to show it is happening but how do we know it isn't happening?"

You do realize you can say that in regards to just about anything, right?

And you know there are many safeguards in place but that's still just not enough for you even though you openly admit there's no real evidence of any wide spread cheating?

I have no idea why mail in voting is treated with such animosity when as you have keenly observed there's really no reason for it. Those standing up for mail in voting are the people defending those who are attacking it, not the other way around.

You do realize that people attacking something based on no actual evidence are the people with animosity not those defending something those people have no evidence against, right?

We do have evidence. You ignore it all. You say it's not "widespread". It's the same playbook you use when an illegal murders a US citizen, you say they commit less violent crime as a percentage. I told oober the response is always "it's not widespread", and, like clockwork, you respond, "it's not widespread". 😂

It would be no different than if your surgeon removed the wrong arm and someone responded, "surgeons don't usually do that".


Kamala?

https://time.com/article/2026/03/20/mail-voting-absentee-voter-fraud-trump-claims-research/

There are a lot of studies on voter fraud. It is all very very clear. It is not a democratic or republican thing.

And if I am not mistaken Arizona and another Republican state did exhaustive research into the 2020 election and found NADA.

Again, stating there is no widespread voter fraud is counting. It's based on empirical data and independent studies. The reason everyone says "no widespread votter fraud" instead of "no voter fraud" is because to say there is none would be incorrect and something that people pounce in as a 'gotcha'. Trying to suggest there is postal voter fraud in sufficient frequency to alter the result of any election is an opinion based rhetoric that statistics and research is yet to support. Opinions are fine as I said in a different post, but personally I find it hard to ignore the research and studies.

From the link: Research published by the Brookings Institute in November found that cases of mail-in voting fraud account for merely 0.000043% of all ballots cast by mail, equivalent to roughly four out of every 10 million.

The research focused on four of the five most recent general elections: those in 2016, 2018, 2020, and 2022. To make its calculations, Brookings drew on a Heritage Foundation database of election fraud cases that “ended in a finding that the individual engaged in wrongdoing,” identifying cases in which people were charged with fraud related to mail-in voting.

Brookings Institute is considered largely Neutral some slight left bias. Heritage Foundation is firmly right leaning.

Reinstating the Firing squads

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doj-reinstates-firing-squads-pentobarbital-federal-executions/


DOJ reinstates firing squads, pentobarbital for federal executions
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April 24, 2026 / 1:01 PM EDT / CBS News
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The Justice Department announced on Friday that it would reimplement lethal injection and firing squads as part of the Trump administration's efforts to "strengthen" the federal death penalty.

"Among the actions taken are readopting the lethal injection protocol utilized during the first Trump Administration, expanding the protocol to include additional manners of execution such as the firing squad, and streamlining internal processes to expedite death penalty cases," the Justice Department said in a press release.

The department went on to say these measures would be "critical to deterring the most barbaric crimes, delivering justice for victims, and providing long-overdue closure to surviving loved ones."

President Trump, on the first day of his second administration, signed an executive order directing the death penalty to be pursued "for all crimes of a severity demanding its use," and demanded the attorney general seek the death penalty in cases involving the murder of a law enforcement officer and capital crimes committed by illegal immigrants present in the U.S.

During his first term, Mr. Trump restarted federal executions after nearly a 20-year pause. In 2021, President Joe Biden instituted a moratorium on executions so it could review policies and procedures.

At the end of his term, Biden granted clemency to 37 of the 40 federal inmates facing death sentences, commuting their sentences to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

The three inmates who didn't receive clemency were the man convicted in the 2018 Tree of Life Synagogue shooting, the gunman who carried out a mass shooting in 2015 at Mother Emanuel Church in Charleston, and the surviving 2013 Boston Marathon bomber.
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In February 2025, then-Attorney General Pam Bondi lifted the federal moratorium on the death penalty that had been implemented by the Biden administration and ordered federal prosecutors to seek the death penalty in appropriate cases.

She instructed federal prosecutors to seek the death penalty in the ongoing criminal trial of Luigi Mangione, who is accused of killing the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, Brian Thompson, in 2024. In January, a federal judge in New York dismissed the federal firearms charges that would have made Mangione eligible for the death penalty.

Soon after Todd Blanche was elevated from the No. 2 job at DOJ to acting attorney general after Bondi's ouster, he authorized the top federal prosecutor in California to seek the death penalty for three alleged MS-13 members charged with killing a victim who was cooperating with authorities.

"The prior administration failed in its duty to protect the American people by refusing to pursue and carry out the ultimate punishment against the most dangerous criminals, including terrorists, child murderers, and cop killers," Blanche said in a statement. "

The department also published a report criticizing the Biden Justice Department for causing "untold harm to the public," for its steps to "weaken, delay and dismantle the death penalty." The report said that in the current Justice Department's view, the use of pentobarbital, the drug used for executions by injection, is not a violation of the Eighth Amendment."

So one thing I want to clarify first is this... this whole conversation was (for the most part) kicked off because of Trump's claims of the 2020 election being "stolen". I'm NOT trying to "...but Trump!" here. I'm merely adding the context.

In order for an election to be "stolen" via voter fraud, that fraud would have to be widespread and even systemic. That is what has been proven, time and time again, to not have happened (in 2020 and any recent election).

Is there fraud occurring? Yes. Is fraud bad? Yes.
Has the fraud that occurred affected the integrity of the elections in question? No.

For all we know ('know' being the key word here), there could be a story breaking tomorrow where there is evidence of widespread and/or systemic fraud occurring in our elections. Until that happens, all we have are repeated studies/investigations where those allegations have been consistently disproven.


In the cases where fraud has been found, those cases are individually prosecuted. I believe this falls to the states, so YMMV, but I believe the penalty is generally a fine and/or jail and/or a change to your voting eligibility.

So to wrap this around to your analogy... no... and I'd go as far as to say there probably is speeding happening on your road at some point. But when you jump from that to deeming your road so unsafe that it needs to be shut down... now we gotta argue.

You produced no evidence of what you're accusing and yet you still claim you know better than any evidence you have to support it. So instead of just spewing more BS and playing whatabout, present your "evidence".

All you can possibly do is prove that voter fraud is such a small number it has zero impact on the outcome of any election and most of it isn't done using vote by mail. And that it's actually committed pretty evenly among both parties. But hey! Let's use that to change the way people vote. Am I right?

Good post. Thanks.

I don't want the road shut down; I've found a couple well-placed speed bumps can be very effective.

I agree with nearly everything you said, however, there is an interchangeable response to this:

"Has the fraud that occurred affected the integrity of the elections in question?"

You say "no", I say "not yet".

To me, that's the problem with going down this road, we have no idea what kind of accidents the curves may bring.

Which leads me to the next box in the flowchart, where I ask, what the hell is so hard about requesting an absentee ballot? Is that really some roadblock to your "freedom".

It cracks me up that the same people that say this small amount of fraud is "inconsequential" and "not widespread" scream their heads off that we would be oppressing millions if we just added a step to verify the right people were getting ballots.

That doesn't survive the b.s. test with me.

At the end of the day, I'm all for anything that does it's best to protect 100% sanctity in our elections. All elections. While 100% is nearly impossible, I never want to get to the point where 95% is "good enough". I seriously don't understand how people are so far apart on this issue. I guess because we've been trained to stay far apart and automatically reject any idea from the other side.

Who here actually believe the 2020 election was stolen?